Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
|  Microsoft WGA phones home even when told not to
According to someone who posted this at Slashdot,
quote:
"When you start WGA setup and get to the license agreement
page but decided NOT to install the highly controversial
WGA component and cancel the installation, the setup
program will send information stored in your registry and
the fact that you choose not to install WGA back to
Microsoft's servers."
»yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/03/07/162203.shtml
I knew there was a good reason for my refusing the
download of this. It appears to send some kind of
unique ID to Microsoft.
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MikeStammer
No prison can hold me
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join:2002-12-26
Aurora, IL
1 edit | zzz, all this getting quite old.
i am sure its for nefarious purposes. They are probably trying to steal ur credit kard info
if you are a legit user, why does it matter?! |
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trickyrick
join:2005-03-31
UK
 ·Eclipse.Net
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So it's still spyware. What a surprise, that they didn't learn from their first mistake with WGAN six months ago.
For how long can any company treat their customers like crap and stay in business? I hope they get what they deserve.
And up 'til a couple of years ago I was pro-Microsoft too. Not any more. They may not learn from their mistakes, but I sure do. |
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Sentinel
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join:2001-02-07
Florida
2 edits | reply to MikeStammer
said by MikeStammer  :zzz, all this getting quite old. i am sure its for nefarious purposes. They are probably trying to steal ur credit kard info if you are a legit user, why does it matter?! I will try to make this simple. What if you woke up and found someone sleeping in your car? He is not there for nefarious purposes, he was just tired. Is that wrong? Of course it is. You paid for your car and you have the right to allow or deny whomever you choose entry in to it.
Similarly I paid for my OS and my PC. Therefore I alone have the right to allow or deny what can be done with it. That is my view. Of course as long as I am not violating MS's copyright or ability to make a profit.
trickyrick,
How long can a company do this? Look at the post above yours. A company can do this as long as they have customers like these that allow them to. As long as people line up begging to be bent over by MS then MS will continue to treat people that way. Only when the money dries up would they even begin to consider changing their business model. |
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MarkAW
Barry White or lil bratt
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Canada
·Bell Sympatico
 ·Cogeco Cable
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This is why i am so glad this is happening »Vista, IE7, Office 2007 Banned by US DOT & FAA.
The money that Microsoft will be losing because of this may wake them up and they will start to listen to the consumers. |
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Sr Tech
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New Fairfield, CT | reply to Doctor Four
Ordered the Mini Imac for wife, went linux here... |
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OZO
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join:2003-01-17 | reply to Doctor Four
Why would one care, unless he hides something illegal on his computer? Right? 
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ABL
join:2005-12-20
| said by OZO :Why would one care, unless he hides something illegal on his computer? Right? If a band of Nazis harass you, its ok if you don't have anything to hide?
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huntermcdole
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join:2005-08-01
Tucson, AZ
·Cox HSI
| Thus proving Godwin's Law.
As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent.
said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
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said by trickyrick :So it's still spyware. What a surprise, that they didn't learn from their first mistake with WGAN six months ago. For how long can any company treat their customers like crap and stay in business? I hope they get what they deserve. And up 'til a couple of years ago I was pro-Microsoft too. Not any more. They may not learn from their mistakes, but I sure do. I have yet to see a viable alternative to Microsoft Windows on the PC platform. |
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salterbomb
join:2003-10-18
Conroe, TX | reply to huntermcdole
this scares me so much i'm stopping my computer usage immediately!
phone's and regular mail is the way to go. the government or any organization will never spy on me ever again.
ever. |
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AB
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join:2006-04-04
Leesburg, VA
| reply to huntermcdole
said by huntermcdole :. . you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
That's right, I don't own the XP software.
When I rent a television, does the company I rent it from have the right to come into my home to see what program I'm watching on it? |
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Youngjm
join:2002-04-01
Ada, MI
·Comcast
| said by AB :said by huntermcdole :. . you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
That's right, I don't own the XP software. When I rent a television, does the company I rent it from have the right to come into my home to see what program I'm watching on it? Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems. |
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mers2
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USA
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said by huntermcdole :Thus proving Godwin's Law. As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
They own the OS, but they don't own the hardware or any other software on my box. If they care to buy me a computer complete with all of the necessary software they can than have access to everything I have on it. Until than they can stuff it. I'm already dual booting into Linux and it appears it will be 100% Linux in the near future. If I choose not to install a MS product thus declining the terms of that product it darn well better not phone home with my information anyway. I haven't installed the current WGA crap. I have other means of getting updates and I couldn't care less about their extra goodies.
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mers2
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said by Youngjm :said by AB :said by huntermcdole :. . you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
That's right, I don't own the XP software. When I rent a television, does the company I rent it from have the right to come into my home to see what program I'm watching on it? Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems. But they can't tell each and every location you've been to and what activities you've been doing.
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AB
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said by Youngjm :Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems. And what if the car I have chosen to rent is not equipped with GPS?
Does the rental company have the right to know what store I drove to to do my shopping, or where my friend lives that I visited in that car? |
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ABL
join:2005-12-20 | reply to huntermcdole
I didn't need the EULA dragged out sir, I know it well .  |
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MarkAW
Barry White or lil bratt
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Canada
·Bell Sympatico
·Cogeco Cable
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said by huntermcdole : said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
Ok where does it say in the EULA that Microsoft has the right to use said software or for that matter another software to spy on my use of said software.
I may not own the software as you say but i do own the system it is on and i can use it as i see fit as long as i don't violate my licences agreement with them which i haven't and i do own the right to refuse what they try to force me to download from them onto my system that will send my info back to them which is none of their business.
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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said by trickyrick :They may not learn from their mistakes, but I sure do. Rick, buddy. I suggest that you MOVE from the UK. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but YOUR GOVERNMENT is crawling up your ass. You live in THE surveillance society...even the Chinese wish they have surveillance like the British.
Microsoft is the LEAST of YOUR problems.
Yes, those cameras (and everything else) is watching YOU.
»www.conservativeliberty.org.uk/i···temid=33
»www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/···ame=true
»www.unc.edu/~jmspille/187/assign2_book.html
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DRM Fault
@rr.com
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With a forum full of security nerds, can anybody verify this claim to be true ? Any decent firewall or router will detect an out-going connection. My VLK special edition of XP Pro does not seem to be able to even download any patches, so I can't test it myself. With all the MS bashing and FUD going around these days, I'm a bit skeptical of the validity of claims using a single screen shot in a foreign language as evidence of a crime. |
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