Link Logger
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Calgary, AB
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Re: Microsoft WGA phones home even when told not to
said by AB  :But here's what Microsoft owns up to WGA Notification collecting: » www.microsoft.com/genuine/Facts.···ylang=enAs well as their assurances that any ongoing lawsuits will be found 'without merit'. Gee, I'm getting all warm & fuzzy inside. That list sounds to me a little like some stuff it's none of their business knowing. There's plenty of other links. That's just one of the official ones. While I have no problem with any of information that is sent from my computer during the WGA process, I'll salute you for at least looking for what information is being sent, as most of the people bitching about this have no idea and it could be nothing or everything but they would still bitch about it.
Come on people how hard do you think it is to slap a network sniffer on something and see what is being sent? Is it encrypted, what do you think and why do you think that and would you want it to be anyways? Microsoft isn't going to hide some secret information in here and if you think they are then your tin foil is way to tight and you need to learn how to use a sniffer (to check for all the secret information you computer is sending to everyone and the aliens from outer space).
Gosh if something bothers you that bad then perhaps people should spend a little time and effort finding out about it (yes I know its easier to be a mindless clone who bitches about what ever other uninformed person is bitching about, but try to break out of that mode and learn something and then you can bitch with some authority or you just might see it another way).
Blake
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Name Game
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North Myrtle Beach, SC
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Next time you buy a car tell the
1. Manufacture
2. Dealer
3. Finance Company(if you go that route) 
4. Dealer Service Dept under Warranty
5. Your Local Auto Repair Guy
5. The place that changes your oil
6. Your Auto Insurance Carrier
7. Your State Auto Registration
8. Your Motor Vehicle Drivers License Office
9. Your Local Vehicle Property Tax Office
10 Your State Sales Tax Office
That it is none of their business what you drive or who you are because you want your privacy. That is something you do really own when you get the pink slip. Then when you sell it try convincing them all and the next guy who owns it
he does not need any info from you to buy it or the fact it was sold.
Below are the only reason you will ever need "parts" from Microsoft after you "BUY" ~cough~ the OS. If WGA puts you off so much..drive without them or go find them on the open market or some junkyard.
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Martinus
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said by AB :And what if the car I have chosen to rent is not equipped with GPS? Does the rental company have the right to know what store I drove to to do my shopping, or where my friend lives that I visited in that car? Just remember not to leave the pr0n rags under the driver's seat when you deliver the car back. |
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Martinus
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said by DRM Fault :No te precupes. Soy un Cumiaberon. Todo de baile en los dos idiomas. Mas de la mitad era de baile, tus favoritas, Michael y tambien musica de los prietos.  Solo que faultan en mi collecion era de los red nex, country music ! Que feo ! Creo que cogiste a Google translation en un mal día. La traducción es una auténtica cagada. |
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Martinus
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said by DRM Fault :A NAT router and Kaspersky is all anybody needs.  A NAT router won't alert you of outgoing connections, and KIS and KAV WKS Antihacker have wauclt.exe - Microsoft Windows Autoupdate -, along with a plethora of Microsoft services as Allow Outbound Stream by default, so unless you've been tinkering with Rules for Applications, you won't see a thing. |
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ABL
join:2005-12-20
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My point is this: WGA does not affect pirates of software, only legitimate users. Pirates are going to be smart enough to use other means to update their OS I would think. I was ok with it for downloads and updates, but something that constantly has to phone home to check if my version of Windows is legit. is over the top. I am not anti-MS, I've used Windows for years, but at what point does WGA become intrusive? It's there already.
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Link Logger
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join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
·Shaw
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said by Martinus :A NAT router won't alert you of outgoing connections Mine do (cheap Linksys, Netgear and Zyxel routers/firewalls), they log all connections attempted or made for both inbound and outbound, but for picking up traffic like this I'd recommend a sniffer like WireShark or Packetyzer, then you can see the actual network traffic packet contents.
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Martinus
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| said by Link Logger :said by Martinus :A NAT router won't alert you of outgoing connections Mine do (cheap Linksys, Netgear and Zyxel routers/firewalls)... Because they are routers/firewalls? Most simple NAT routers will log outbound traffic but won't alert you of unsolicited outbound connections. At least mine - an aging BEFSR41 V3 - doesn't.
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33591094
join:2002-11-19
Canada
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said by Link Logger [/BQUOTE :Come on people how hard do you think it is to slap a network sniffer on something and see what is being sent? Is it encrypted, what do you think and why do you think that and would you want it to be anyways? Well, according to the news post on Neowin regarding this reporting from CT, some of the data sent does appear to be encrypted. I quote...
"They used Wireshark to analyze the traffic and found out that update.exe sends data to genuine.microsoft.com. Some of the data seems to be encrypted while some could be identified. It sends registry information, namely the SusClientID as well as information about the version of the WGA tool, the windows version and the language of the operating system. It also sets a cookie which contains a GUID which could possibly be used to identify the computer." »www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=38614
Just passing on what I'm reading. Maybe someone that can actually read German can take a look at CT's work and tell us what it says. Google translations suck...
»www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/85884 |
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AB
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Leesburg, VA
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said by Martinus :said by DRM Fault :No te precupes. Soy un Cumiaberon. . . . . . . . . Que feo ! Creo que cogiste a Google translation en un mal día. La traducción es una auténtica cagada. Yep. Gotta at least give him an 'A' for effort on that one, though. 
Just remember not to leave the pr0n rags under the driver's seat when you deliver the car back. Never happen. They're on the coffee table, underneath "BH & G", at all times.
said by Link Logger :Come on people how hard do you think it is to slap a network sniffer on something and see what is being sent? Is it encrypted, what do you think and why do you think that and would you want it to be anyways? . . . . I tend to doubt most users would be able to "slap a network sniffer" on their connection, even if they wanted to.
Yet their outgoing info is no less personal, and possibly undesired, because of that lack of ability.
And Microsoft admittedly says one of the things WGA does is assign each computer a "unique I.D." Quite obviously something above and beyond the "unique I.D." it already possesses from it's Product Key.
That, simply in and of itself, would seem to make any info collected 'personal', would it not? |
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PeeWee
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Clovis, CA
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said by mers2 :GPS and logging may tell them where I've been, but it won't tell them everything I've been doing and even if the car is stopped at a location there is no way of logging if I went anywhere else without the car be it via walking or another vehicle.
Still more information than your computer os can report, all without a EULA. Operating the vehicle implies consent for this information to be used for or against you. All by downloading from vehicle on-board computer that you have no right to prevent.
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Razzy
join:2002-10-29 | reply to Doctor Four
Oh no! My Monte Carlo SS has that damn OnStar!!! CHEVY ARE SPYING ON ME!! OMGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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ChicagoSid
join:2001-04-17
Aurora, IL | reply to Sentinel
But we need to give up alittle bit of our freedom or the TERRIORISTS WILL WIN!!
Wait.. opps wrong forum..
Sorry..
for the record I agree keep the company out of my personal computer. |
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SUMware
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join:2002-05-21
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said by Razzy :Oh no! My Monte Carlo SS has that damn OnStar!!! CHEVY ARE SPYING ON ME!! From C|Net News: quote:
The FBI and other police agencies may not eavesdrop on conversations inside automobiles equipped with OnStar or similar dashboard computing systems, a federal appeals court ruled.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals said Tuesday that the FBI is not legally entitled to remotely activate the system and secretly use it to snoop on passengers
When FBI agents remotely activated the system and were listening in, passengers in the vehicle could not tell that their conversations were being monitored.
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Name Game
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join:2002-07-07
North Myrtle Beach, SC
1 edit | reply to ABL
said by ABL :My point is this: WGA does not affect pirates of software, only legitimate users. Pirates are going to be smart enough to use other means to update their OS I would think. I was ok with it for downloads and updates, but something that constantly has to phone home to check if my version of Windows is legit. is over the top. I am not anti-MS, I've used Windows for years, but at what point does WGA become intrusive? It's there already. Think again..
»Purchase PC with unauthorized Windows - get sent to Siberia?
Not only was the school teacher innocent..but the people who sold the PC's with the phoney software cheated the school..and made money on it..and I am sure the school could not even UPDATE their PCs.
here is the bottom line "other story" from the last post in the thread
»www.betanews.com/article/Russian···71558743
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RayW
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Layton, UT
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We have couple of "Microsoft Can Do No Wrong" people here, and they are pissed that at least our part of the Fed has banned Vista on our computers. They had to have their computers wiped and reloaded because they did an unauthorized upgrade .
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Martinus
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said by Name Game :said by ABL :My point is this: WGA does not affect pirates of software, only legitimate users. Pirates are going to be smart enough to use other means to update their OS I would think. I was ok with it for downloads and updates, but something that constantly has to phone home to check if my version of Windows is legit. is over the top. I am not anti-MS, I've used Windows for years, but at what point does WGA become intrusive? It's there already. Think again.. » Purchase PC with unauthorized Windows - get sent to Siberia?Not only was the school teacher innocent..but the people who sold the PC's with the phoney software cheated the school..and made money on it..and I am sure the school could not even UPDATE their PCs.
Well, that's ABL 's point. Apparently he, who supposedly was legit, was the one that got slapped - and sent to the Gulag.
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Name Game
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North Myrtle Beach, SC
| said by Martinus :said by Name Game :said by ABL :My point is this: WGA does not affect pirates of software, only legitimate users. Pirates are going to be smart enough to use other means to update their OS I would think. I was ok with it for downloads and updates, but something that constantly has to phone home to check if my version of Windows is legit. is over the top. I am not anti-MS, I've used Windows for years, but at what point does WGA become intrusive? It's there already. Think again.. » Purchase PC with unauthorized Windows - get sent to Siberia?Not only was the school teacher innocent..but the people who sold the PC's with the phoney software cheated the school..and made money on it..and I am sure the school could not even UPDATE their PCs. Well, that's ABL 's point. Apparently he, who supposedly was legit, was the one that got slapped - and sent to the Gulag. thats cause he knew it was pirated junk..most likely even got a kick back on the deal if you read the small print..but I am sure Microsoft help him out of the Big Time House..letting all involved in the case that Know it was not just an isolated incident..and they could show the guy who sold the stuff to them..was doing it all over russia.
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Razzy
join:2002-10-29 | reply to SUMware
While I am not sure of the point of your post, I was being sarcastic. =) |
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DRM Fault
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said by Martinus :Creo que cogiste a Google translation en un mal día. If I had used Giggle to create that, it would have at least spelled Cumbiaberon properly. The joys of being anon. No corrections. |
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