Email Server in Wireless Service Providers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17961032 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:16:52 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:16:52 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983145 openbox9 : If people have their own domains and are looking for domain and/or e-mail hosting, PM me. I've got access to a good server hosted at ThePlanet (see uptime reports, downtimes were scheduled maintenance for server relocation). Currently, I've got more resources than I know what to do with (needed server for a different project of mine). As long as the requirements don't kill me or the server, I'm not currently looking to charge anything. This offer is aimed at your WISPers only.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983145 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:09:59 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17982976 Keithb : Keep in mind that if you go to some hosts, and use their hosting for a lot of email, it may be against their TOS. I've seen one do this for months off a reseller account only to have the host change their TOS because of it. I'm unsure why it would matter, it's unfair and it does happen so just beware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17982976 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:36:06 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17982955 mschwerin : Currently I have been using Netfirms.com for my web site, that doesn't exist, lol. BUt with the business plan you get unlimited email addresses with @yourdomain.com plus webspace available, all for 9.95 per month paid annually. That is what I plan on using to begin with.

Mike]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17982955 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:31:44 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17980609 gunther_01 :
said by korym See Profile :

Might be an idea to bring your own domain to Gmail:

»www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/us···ail.html
Yea, but did you see the cost of the premier edition... Oh no, not for me. And I liked the premier features.

Maybe the Yahoo route. I use bluehost.com for my hosting and my email. They do a real good job, but I like the thought of some of the other features that have been brought up to me by these other providers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17980609 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:23:20 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17980178 PersComp :
said by cowsgonemadd See Profile :

Not sure if yahoo has enabled that feature on there free version or not.
No, but when you subscribe to their webhosting it becomes a business account. And you can set it up with Outlook.

said by cowsgonemadd See Profile :

I guess you would not make any money doing it this way but it would be super simple.
Every website you refer or setup is $60 in your pocket and who says you can't still charge a couple $ per email....or give them 7 for another $5 per month. Same as the big boys do it....

Charge them $45 standard or $40 if no emails....give them a feeling of value if they don't need the email
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said by charlesa920 See Profile :

What about godaddy.com where you can get 100 addresses for $30 a year. can use POP3 or web based.

to sign into web based it is... email.secureserver.net or can be found with email.yourdomain.com or dot whatever extension you use.

seems like this would be a good option. we could still charge for the email, offer our brand, and not have any of the server maintenance requirements.
We just built a website for my wife's business and decided to go with godaddy's economy hosting package which includes up to 500 email accounts @ yourdomain.com.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979306 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:53:20 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978969 korym : Might be an idea to bring your own domain to Gmail:

»www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/us···ail.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978969 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:39:49 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978841 charlesa920 : You get 2000 MB to share between the 100 boxes. Seems like it should be a sweet deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978841 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:12:07 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978790 cowsgonemadd : I thought about go daddy too.I used it as a web host when I had my website and they had good uptime on the hosting.

Only problem is they dont offer near the amount of space as gmail. I guess thats just for the storing of online data not the amount you can download.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978790 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:03:12 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978301 charlesa920 : What about godaddy.com where you can get 100 addresses for $30 a year. can use POP3 or web based.

to sign into web based it is... email.secureserver.net or can be found with email.yourdomain.com or dot whatever extension you use.

seems like this would be a good option. we could still charge for the email, offer our brand, and not have any of the server maintenance requirements.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978301 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:24:47 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978006 openbox9 : Additional revenue stream. Branding e-mail accounts with your own domain instead of user@gmail.com. More control. Satisfaction of saying, "hey, look what I did". Yahoo and gmail are so large that getting a "john.smith" type address is next to impossible. And I'm sure there are a lot of other reasons as to why people stand up their own mail servers, or contract with 3rd-party providers, but this should give you a good idea.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17978006 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:20:14 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17977447 cowsgonemadd : I am curious.

When providing email why not send them to yahoo or gmail?

Gmail has pop abilities so you can use it with a email program such as outlook. Not sure if yahoo has enabled that feature on there free version or not.

Plus they can check the mail on any computer anywhere.

They also would not have to worry about viruses unless they downloaded attachments but I think both yahoo and google have built in virus scanning.

I guess you would not make any money doing it this way but it would be super simple. All problems are between them and google.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17977447 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:15:04 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976857 PersComp : Here are the specs on a couple of their basic plans. I spoke with a yahoo rep a couple years ago when I started my webhosting, and additional addresses could be bought in blocks of 100. I don't remember the price, but it was very reasonable....like $2-$3 per 100. And everything is completely scalable. You can jump from one plan to another with a few mouse clicks.

»smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosti···pare.php
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said by wishcom See Profile :

co-ndc-2 {102} uptime
3:47PM up 82 days, 21 mins, 11 users, load averages: 3.50, 3.32, 3.05
Not to go off-topic but that's quite a load. Wow.
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Mike]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17971140 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:38:02 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17971012 PersComp : One thing I meant to add in my post above is that I have exactly $0 outlay for equipment when using yahoo. Couple that with no need for spare parts, redundant servers, or any time on my part (other than setting up individual email accounts), and $144 per year is the deal of the century. I understand having it in house and the pride with DIY (tried all that myself with Linksys APs and cheap amps before I discovered this forum) ;). But, since I have no prior mail server setup experience, this was a no-brainer from a business standpoint. :D
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Just don't forget that if you run your own mailserver, you'll have to manage it also.

Linux is the preferred choice for me for any web-application, but we have a domain controller that acts as our PDC, local mailserver, local Intranet, file server, and a few other things that will run for 100's of days running Server 2003. As mentioned, only reason for reboot is upgrades.

The Windows method would probably be the simplest method as most people know Windows and it's easier to manage from a tech standpoint without Linux knowledge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17968982 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:22:18 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17967715 wishcom : Our mailservers are all OpenBSD based and run qmail.

Why? Because that way I can guarantee their security, and maintain them ourselves - like the other gentleman said, I dont trust anyone else to do it right.

co-ndc-2 {102} uptime
3:47PM up 82 days, 21 mins, 11 users, load averages: 3.50, 3.32, 3.05

(typical uptime > 200 days, this one happened to have an upgrade 82 days ago) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17967715 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:41:29 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17966516 battleop : We run several mail servers for different uses. We are running some Plesk boxes for some domains and offering some advanced email hosting on Surgemail.

I went with Surge Mail because of the ease of migrating customers from their current mail server to ours. I also thought the price was not outrageous and they had a ton of features and you could install it on Linux or NT. (I'm running on linux) It scales very nicely from 100 to 100,000 users and it can easily be spread across a cluster in one datacenter or you can spread it across multiple data centers. I am running ours in a Master/Slave config.

We run our own servers because it gives us 100% control plus there is a certain amount of pride that goes with running your own network. Plus we are a traditional ISP and not a virtual one so this is something we have done for a long time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17966516 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:16:14 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965216 superdog :
said by polk5 See Profile :

I would rather be at the top of a 300' tower or rooftop any day working rather in a office banging on a keyboard.
I agree with this 100%. We are lucky enough to have two Linux/BSD gurus on staff that think setting up a mail server (SquirrelMail version 1.4.8
) is easier than getting out of bed in the morning. I would be lost without them, and if they were not here, you can bet I would outsource it in a minute. ;)
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I use yahoo for my webhosting and email. For $12/mo I have everything I need and that price includes 200 emails. More can be bought at any time very reasonably. I have enough stress and headaches to worry about and Yahoo has been trouble free for me for several years. And there has never been an outage that affected me or any of my customers that I am aware of. The accounts can be used in any POP3 mail client and/or web-based. Yahoo does at least scan attachments, too, so there is a little protection for those customers that refuse to keep the AV software up to date as well.

Also every time I set up another website and reference it through mine, I get a $60 commission.
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If I were just starting out, I would use something like Merak or some other free Windows-based server. If you are comfortable with Linux, there are myriad solutions you can "roll your own" with. It's not for the timid, and I wouldn't recommend it (putting an SMTP host on the Internet) until you are comfortable with how it works.

If you are not comfortable doing anything other than building your wireless network, then, by gosh, do THAT well and let someone else do the DNS/Webspace/Email.

You can learn as you go, but it's usually not a good idea to "get your t-shirt" using live customers as guinea pigs. People tend to get very possessive of their email. Heck, to some customers, that ALL the Internet is....

Regards,

Dallas]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962223 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:25:35 EDT Re: Email Server http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962055 superdog :
said by Rhaas See Profile :

I run our own mail server and webserver. Like VariableARK above, I don't trust anyone else to do it.
Same for us. :)
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Just wondering if people have any thoughts on this.

Mike]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17961032 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:57:12 EDT