Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. in Microsoft Help http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17962586 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:10:16 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:10:16 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17994159 Octavean : Also note, if it hasn’t been mentioned before, many large businesses and even government offices, branches and subdivisions are likely using “Custom Software” that almost certainly will not work properly in Vista.

This is not an indication of a flaw in Vista with respect to design or implementation in any way.

I know a number of such software engineers and not one of them blames Vista as being flawed. The facts seemed to be simply that the software just wasn’t tailored for Vista yet.

If your new tailored suit (that you bought for yourself) didn’t fit your 6 month old son would you blame the suit, the tailor, the baby, yourself or "none of the above"? The answer is "none of the above", its just the way things are.

Obviously there are plenty of reason not to upgrade to Vista but someone somewhere could probably make a good case not to upgrade to XP at this late date as well. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17994159 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:29:39 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17994008 nikdo : I have a complaint about Vista-all the PCs and notebooks on my network are running so smoothly on it and w/o incident, that I have nothing to do but sit here and play Need for Speed on one of the notebooks it is installed on.
Damn you, Vista. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17994008 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:55:19 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17993785 howie : The same exact thing happened years ago with XP and what you may think is news is deja vu all over again (to quote Yogi Berra).
One quick reference to this I found from 2004 (3 years after XP was released).

"NOTE: Before you buy XP Pro or Home make sure any software contracts or sub-contracts your company might have will not be cancelled or violated by XP. Many large US corporations have banned all XP for all facilities and sub-contractors. Government facilities and government contractors can not have XP in the buildings!"

»www.iscnetwork.com/ISC/winxp.htm

I repeat... this is nothing new and is the case when any new OS is introduced. Believe what you want, though.
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»www.informationweek.com/windows/···98000229

The quote: "Among other things, Bowen said he is concerned that Windows Vista may be incompatible with many software applications already in use at the FAA."

Whether you choose to say the Apps don't work with Vista, or Vista doesn't work with the Apps is immaterial. Vista is CRAP and a JOKE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17993653 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:33:07 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17973945 TigerLord : Because the quality of gaming on a PC is and always will be immensely superior to console gaming in every way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17973945 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:07:59 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17973797 denb45 :
said by Carbon Unit See Profile :

said by denb45 See Profile :

said by TigerLord See Profile :

Unfortunately a selected important group of PC users won't have a choice to upgrade soon. That's us gamers. Because MS is forcing it down our throat to upgrade to Vista to use DX10 and profit to a maximum of our investment in a DX10 card, and to enjoy the newest almost better than sex games that are about to surface in Q2/Q3 2007.

Scares me but what the hell.
I just have one question!!! Why-in-the-hell would you want to spend SO MUCH MONEY on a PC just to play Video Games on, you would be better-off just buying a PS3 or an XBOX.......LOL
Most of us who spend lots of money on a gaming machine already have a 360 or ps3, I think you generally can have a better online gaming experience with a pc, theres pros and cons .. but this thread is about Vista not consoles
WHATEVER!!! It's your money to whatever you want Happy Gamming..............
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said by denb45 See Profile :

said by TigerLord See Profile :

Unfortunately a selected important group of PC users won't have a choice to upgrade soon. That's us gamers. Because MS is forcing it down our throat to upgrade to Vista to use DX10 and profit to a maximum of our investment in a DX10 card, and to enjoy the newest almost better than sex games that are about to surface in Q2/Q3 2007.

Scares me but what the hell.
I just have one question!!! Why-in-the-hell would you want to spend SO MUCH MONEY on a PC just to play Video Games on, you would be better-off just buying a PS3 or an XBOX.......LOL
Most of us who spend lots of money on a gaming machine already have a 360 or ps3, I think you generally can have a better online gaming experience with a pc, theres pros and cons .. but this thread is about Vista not consoles
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said by TigerLord See Profile :

Unfortunately a selected important group of PC users won't have a choice to upgrade soon. That's us gamers. Because MS is forcing it down our throat to upgrade to Vista to use DX10 and profit to a maximum of our investment in a DX10 card, and to enjoy the newest almost better than sex games that are about to surface in Q2/Q3 2007.

Scares me but what the hell.
I just have one question!!! Why-in-the-hell would you want to spend SO MUCH MONEY on a PC just to play Video Games on, you would be better-off just buying a PS3 or an XBOX.......LOL
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Scares me but what the hell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17968677 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:33:26 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17968639 howie : All excellent points, Bchinch00 See Profile
Almost all the negative crap about Vista was mirrored about 5 years ago when XP was in it's infancy. Vista is by far the most tested OS ever (by millions in the beta and CPP phases). The large majority of issues are due to problems with hardware and program incompatibility and are not the fault of the OS but rather the lack of driver and program updates provided by third-party vendors, not Microsoft. In the month or so I've been running the RTM, I've already solved my scanner and sound card "what-u-hear" recording issues by drivers becoming available for Vista. The only thing I probably never will see is ATI TV and video recording functions for my AIW card. Everything else works flawlessly.
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said by tomj1226 See Profile :

From the flawed installation process (I feel sorry for the people who purchase an upgrade CD and then aren't going to be able to get a refund from their retailer after they realize they can't upgrade from XP Pro to Vista Home Premium)
I have an upgrade DVD box in front of me right now. The box clearly states on the front that it can only be used for an upgrade from XP, 2000 or vista only. It also says a clean install may be required, and to look on the back of the box for details. The back says a clean install and backup of files is required for Xp home, vista home basic, or media center edition.

Just because someone is too lazy to read the box doesn't mean that vista is flawed. It's that persons own damn fault.

said by tomj1226 See Profile :

to the lack of driver support (nForce3 boards came out in spring of 2004 and Nvidia has said they will not support Vista) for Vista. All nForce2 boards, which support the popular Athlon XP Processors are not supported. You could say this is an nVidia issue and not MS I say the boards were out first they should have made the OS work with it.
Although I am not aware of this specific board that you are talking about...it is not the responsibility of microsoft to make drivers for every single piece of hardware out there.

said by tomj1226 See Profile :

I could go on and on and on and on. My point is that as consumers we should not accept such a flawed operating system simply because Microsoft has conditioned us to.
Please don't...you have not made one point that backs up the argument that vista is flawed.

said by tomj1226 See Profile :

MS rushed this OS to the market and now the fact that major businesses and government agencies are forbidding their employees from installing this crap onto their machines is proof of it.
You can add the DoD to that list if you would like, but it is not because the system is crap, it is because it has not yet been tested by the individual departments yet. They don't just sit down one day and go, oh look, a new OS, lets put all our government computers on it. They start testing it, with all the software that will be needed on it and only after making sure they will be able to transition smoothly, they will upgrade.

Oh, here at my army post, mac's are banned...guess they are crap too...right???? NOT...they simply have not been tested for use by the agency yet.

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You may not like vista, but that doesn't make it crap.
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said by tomj1226 See Profile :

All nForce2 boards, which support the popular Athlon XP Processors are not supported.
Really?

I have an ASUS A7N8X2.0 motherboard with a NVIDIA nForce2 chipset that I'm dual-booting XP and Vista.

After installing Vista I checked for updates and downloaded updated NVIDIA chipset drivers for it.
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That being said, unfortunately the public thinks a product is stable and bug-free out the door, this is RARELY the case with software..so the ones complaining about such and such not working didn't do the proper research involved when upgrading to a new operating system. They didn't check to make sure they were compatible, they just dove in head first and learned the hard way.

Me? I will continue to stick with XP as long as possible just like I did with Windows 2000...I barely upgraded to XP last year. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17968237 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:14:10 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17968045 dvd536 : With 98, microsoft pretty much let the cat out of the bag and has been trying to stuff it back in ever since when it comes to media/DRM. remember when windows media used to play REAL and quicktime files WITHOUT plugins?
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Exactly why i keep a win98 box around for the times when XP doesn't want to let me do a certain action.
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- I'm not going to use Windows programs, because DOS is much better.
- Windows 95 sux, I will stick with Windows 3.11
- Windows 98 sux, I will stick with Windows 95
- Windows XP sux, I will stick with Windows 98
- Windows Vista sux, I will stick with Windows XP.

Or the best one ever:

- Windows SUUUUXXX!!! Linux Rulez!!!
(And when you go check their home, they either have a multiboot with Windows, or a Windows computer somewhere to play their GAMES.)

Etc, etc..... People ALWAYS complain and moan about a new Windows version. And you know what? Those are the same people that NEVER LEARN. They want to be "part of the group" and say they run Windows Vista, and if they had looked back to the introduction of XP they would have remembered that Creative, ATI and NVidia took 6 months or more to finally get stable, good working drivers out for XP, and it will take 6 months for Vista as well.

If you want to be on the cutting edge, and immediately install a brand new OS on the day of its release, expect there to be some issues. Don't come crying back to forums complaining your aging hardware doesn't work anymore.

My attitude is simple: If you think it sucks, box it back up and put it on the shelf for 6 months. Then try again.
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said by lhamp See Profile :

We've all been hearing about bitches and complaints about Vista. Lets go "Back to the Future".
Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98, Win 98SE, ME, and XP.
With every release there's been bitches and complaints. Drivers don't work, software doesn't work. YADA YADA.
This is true. I remember being reluctant in switching from WfW 3.11 to Win95 on my first machine. "So the desktop is nicer, so this and that..." But in the end, Win95 proved to be better for my needs, so I stuck with it. Then came Win98 - by the time that OS came out, I was ready for a new system, so it got Win98SE on it. Then came ME, and I went to that with no issues. I'm one of the few that prefer it to Win98. As long as you're honest with yourself, and realize that it should be wiped once a year under heavy use, you'll be fine. :D

Then came 2K - my system running ME wouldn't take 2K for some reason, so it stayed at ME. Time for a new machine! 2K all the way! XP came out. Again, "No way I'm switching, 2K is far smoother!" I held this stance until SP2 came out, and I made the jump. Been happy with that since.

Now Vista. To me, there's nothing in it worth upgrading to it for. I put the RC1 on my newer laptop, and have started learning it for when I'll eventually have to work on them, but haven't been wowed by it by any means. I'll stick to XP for now.

To each their own. If Vista is something you WANT, then by all means, go for it! You may be pleased.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965942 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:33:43 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965648 martg :
said by nemo1966 See Profile :

This threasd should be closed, its covering information already discussed here many times.
If that rule was applied, most forums might become a little on the quiet side.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965648 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:45:33 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965542 ABL :
said by pabster See Profile :

I suspect these "bitches and complaints" are mainly from ignorant souls.
Having a legitimate gripe makes one ignorant? I get so tired of comments like that. :uhh:
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said by tomj1226 See Profile :

Well I don't know I for one think the Vista operating system is CRAP and just because we have gotten used to MS releasing flawed operating systems doesn't mean we should accept it. I "listen" no one helped me with my problems with it. Lets face it this OS is a joke and probably a step backwards in many ways from XP Pro. Not to even start in on the flaws in the x64 version. Your argument that we should accept how bad Vista is because past Operating systems also sucked and that we can fix it if we "pay attention" is ridiculous. They released this OS before it was ready and should have went back to the drawing board a third time.
Please, elaborate on these "flaws" in Vista x64. I've ran it for almost a year now and have experienced no problems. There are drivers for all my hardware, all my 32-bit software works fine, and I can actually use all 4GB of RAM. Performance is astounding and the extra security features of x64 (ASLR, PatchGuard, etc) are great.

I suspect these "bitches and complaints" are mainly from ignorant souls.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965520 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:21:08 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965034 33591094 :
said by Vorticon See Profile :

I did a search in this forum from 1-1-2000 to 12-31-2001 just to see how well Windows XP was received.

You could do that for every OS ever released, by anyone, and you'll see the same moaning. However, the vibe from people in the know is that Vista is going to live up to the "anti-hype", much as Windows ME did.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965034 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:18:06 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17964911 tomj1226 : Well I don't know I for one think the Vista operating system is CRAP and just because we have gotten used to MS releasing flawed operating systems doesn't mean we should accept it. I "listen" no one helped me with my problems with it. Lets face it this OS is a joke and probably a step backwards in many ways from XP Pro. Not to even start in on the flaws in the x64 version. Your argument that we should accept how bad Vista is because past Operating systems also sucked and that we can fix it if we "pay attention" is ridiculous. They released this OS before it was ready and should have went back to the drawing board a third time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17964911 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:40:30 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17964897 ABL : MS claims Vista as we have it now was the next logical step for XP-and I disagree. I saw demonstrations of Longhorn in its early release-THAT was the next logical step, and would have been a welcome change. They missed a huge chance to get it right with Vista IMO. I have not vowed to switch to another primary OS, but I will be holding on to XP Pro with a tight grip for a long time to come. :)
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said by howie See Profile :

You make some great points and all the "Vista Sucks" threads pretty much mirror those concerning XP 5 1/2 years ago. As recently as 2004, there were those who claimed SP2 was the devil... Now you hardly ever hear it mentioned when probably 90+% of XP users have it installed.
I cant remember people complaining about DRM or WGA when XP was launched, people are NOW complaining about WGA in XP by the way.

So I say you are wrong, a lot of the bitching about Vista isn't drivers etc...... it's the way MS are forcing DRM and WGA down peoples throats.

So I guess you guys missed the point completely :uhh:

PS and no wonder there are so many threads complaining about Vista... take this thread... theres been a multitude of threads in DSLReports saying exactly the same thing... yet the author found it necessary to start another one! Perhaps using the search button would have been a better option.

This threasd should be closed, its covering information already discussed here many times.
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said by howie See Profile :

You make some great points and all the "Vista Sucks" threads pretty much mirror those concerning XP 5 1/2 years ago. As recently as 2004, there were those who claimed SP2 was the devil... Now you hardly ever hear it mentioned when probably 90+% of XP users have it installed.
Well XP no matter how good/bad it was, its DRM wasn't as anal as vista's. disabling interfaces, downgrading protected content quality...
you wont catch me downgrading TO vista anytime soon.
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Have XP that came with my laptop and hate the frequent nag screens (too many icons on desktop, do you wish to clean, etc) type garbage. W2K doesn't do anything I don't tell it to. The newer one has a mind of its own and frequently disrupts my work with it's requests for this or that. No thanks.

Vista on the Intel Core DUO at Costco, ran so slow that I was convinced there were no benefits there. My SPARCStation 2, running Sun OS 4.11 still serves me well, going on 18 years now. UNIX= work os. Vista = eye candy for consumers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17964549 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 03:15:50 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17964059 itsjussme : I never had any problems with any of MS OS's. Then again I have always built my own computers and did my own software installs. Never bought those shelf computers with cheap parts and junk software. And I have always stayed cleared of these "utility" programs that claim to make Windows run better. My experience, from working on others' computers, has taught me that these programs actually cause problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17964059 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:21:20 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963898 Vorticon : I did a search in this forum from 1-1-2000 to 12-31-2001 just to see how well Windows XP was received.

»/nsearch?q=XP&···der&14=1

Ya know what? You could substitute "Vista" for "XP" and get the same whining and crying from many posters about why they will either switch to some form of Linux, buy a Mac, or stay with their current OS.

Here's just two examples out of hundreds of threads.

»New Version of Windows Introduced

»xp?? windows??
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They certainly seem to want a lot of money for Vista. I'd never pick up a box from a store shelf with that kind of price tag on it. I'll probably give it a shot if my next computer has no other choice in the the installed OS. I feel lucky to have snuck in and bought a new laptop with XP on it, right under the wire before they started selling them only with Vista. I don't currently plan to upgrade it, even though it came with a free Vista upgrade. Maybe the next computer...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963753 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:17:10 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963622 87134275 :
said by lhamp See Profile :

We've all been hearing about bitches and complaints about Vista. Lets go "Back to the Future".
Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98, Win 98SE, ME, and XP.
With every release there's been bitches and complaints. Drivers don't work, software doesn't work. YADA YADA.
With a few exceptions (ME LOL) everyone finally went with the flow. Drivers were released, software was released. Did
I ever have a problem with any new MS release. Of course I did. Was I able to solve the problems? Of course I did.
Why? Because I paid ATTENTION to the possibilities.
It always amazes me with each new release the amount of users who SWEAR to GOD they'll switch to a MAC or LINUX. Only because of their lack of PAYING ATTENTION.
This may belong in the Vent forum, but I don't think so.
I've been using Vista since RC1 and of course I had problems. I'm now using Vista Ultimate and do I still have problems? Of course I do. But nothing that can't be resolved by "PAYING ATTENTION".

Did I have problems with 95, 98, XP? DOH! Do I need to go on?
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This is why I wait 1 year before installing any upgrade of Windows so people like you can endure and fix the bugs that comes with them before I take the plunge. :o
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said by mbi777 See Profile :

That answers that. I am waiting six more months for Vista to get where it needs to be.
Thanks
Your welcome
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said by Carbon Unit See Profile :

I actually didnt have much problems with XP until service pack 2 came out, but I will have too admit, I think I have had more Blue screens with Vista since the release than all the Blues screens I had with win 9x and XP put together, my guess is MS spent too much time and money on the security and eye candy features and didnt do much with compatibility and stability... but its been about a month since the release...it might take 6 months before most of the hardware and software bugs are cleared up
I never had any problems w/ XP PRO ,back in AUG 01 when I got a hold of the 1st RTM, even w/ SP1 & SP2,I had some Minor Hardwear issues w/ RAM, in Vista, but nothing I couldn't figuer out on my own.....
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Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963182 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:44:25 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963175 steve1a : Thanks especially to this Forum specifically that I really pay ATTENTION to...
I have only had what I would call annoyances with VISTA ...
I installed on a "Vista Capable" system that I also reconfirmed what to expect with the VISTA Advisor...
Took heed of the advice of a few software compatabilty problems BEFORE the install... checked for the available VISTA driver releases... and over compensated with extra RAM= 4g and an updated Graphics Card...
Testing with a 5.3 score ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963046 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:25:50 EDT Re: Vista Bitches and complaints. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962875 gzt7d8 :
said by Skipdawg See Profile :

Yea it is human nature to do that. I've said it a few times but so far I've stayed with Microsoft Windows now for oh nearing 13 years. LOL :D ;)
Ditto, and it has been 18 years for me!!

Greg
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Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98, Win 98SE, ME, and XP.
With every release there's been bitches and complaints. Drivers don't work, software doesn't work. YADA YADA.
With a few exceptions (ME LOL) everyone finally went with the flow. Drivers were released, software was released. Did
I ever have a problem with any new MS release. Of course I did. Was I able to solve the problems? Of course I did.
Why? Because I paid ATTENTION to the possibilities.
It always amazes me with each new release the amount of users who SWEAR to GOD they'll switch to a MAC or LINUX. Only because of their lack of PAYING ATTENTION.
This may belong in the Vent forum, but I don't think so.
I've been using Vista since RC1 and of course I had problems. I'm now using Vista Ultimate and do I still have problems? Of course I do. But nothing that can't be resolved by "PAYING ATTENTION".

Did I have problems with 95, 98, XP? DOH! Do I need to go on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17961991 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:43:51 EDT