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| | This discussion seems eerily like... what would be normal discourse in the CCCP concerning the pervasive surveillance by the KGB.
I guess it did happen here... | |
|  | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... Im woundering how much abc paid this guy for his story. | |
| | | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... You want to clarify/qualify your question? What difference would it make if the whistleblower got paid, or how much he got paid, by ABC to relate his story of the unwarranted, unconstitutional spying on every American citizen's telephone, e-mail, internet communications by the BUSH regime? He certainly can't work in his chosen field anymore. His personal sacrifice in exposing the governments unlawful acts should be rewarded, not condemned. But perhaps only true patriots would see that to be the case.
Furthermore, if you support the BUSH regime's wholly unconstitutional, unlawful rule by executive edict, and its pervasive spying on all America's citizens as acceptable, you are deluded, dysfunctional and contributing to the death of our American republic at the hands of the neo-con fascisti currently in power. | |
| | | | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... Listen buddy, if your wife has nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about if we drag her away on a rendition flight, dope her up, put a bag over her head, and drop her into the ocean at 40,000 feet after we realize we've made an error. | |
| | | | | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... said by Karl Bode:Listen buddy, if your wife has nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about if we drag her away on a rendition flight, dope her up, put a bag over her head, and drop her into the ocean at 40,000 feet after we realize we've made an error. Was that incoherent rambling directed at me? Was that evil sarcasm raising its subversive head, or can I make an appointment?  | |
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join:2002-01-23
Croswell, MI | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... How quickly we forget,
If the NSA listening to my phone conversations about the neighbors dog taking a sh$# on my lawn is the biggest inconvenience to finding the one phone call where some jackoff is trying to bring a Suitcase nuke or a dirty bomb into this country and kill a couple 100 thousand people im all for it..
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| | | | | | | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... said by Farley3:How quickly we forget, If the NSA listening to my phone conversations about the neighbors dog taking a sh$# on my lawn is the biggest inconvenience to finding the one phone call where some jackoff is trying to bring a Suitcase nuke or a dirty bomb into this country and kill a couple 100 thousand people im all for it.. You're exactly the kind of idiot I was referring to. Take some time, when you're not so busy daintily plucking your eyebrows, to read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Like your sig indicates, you may be too f**king lazy to stand up for your civil rights, but others, thankfully, are not. I am proud to salute the whistleblowers out there who have put aside their economic well-being and personal safety to stand up for the rights of all of us. | |
| | | | | | | Farley3Holyshnikes
join:2002-01-23
Croswell, MI | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... I'm the idiot who lost Family members to terrorism, you must have some pretty big balls to say something like that because you wouldnt have the guts to stand face to face and say it to me..
Salute the whistleblowers, After you work on the saving the bill of rights from dslreports you can have the goverment stop trying to actively search for terrorists via any means possible. Maybe you can get to work on eliminating Airport security so they dont go through your bags looking for chemical compounds for explosives and find your tampons.
If having your stupid conersations recorded saves people i care about from being burned to death i could give a shit less about your rights.
Yeah i remember your kind, after 9/11 you grabbed a Candle and said a pray hoping to get your picture in the paper.
Theres people who would like to kill you right now just because your an American, but im sure you feel safe sitting in your home typing some worthless trash on computer.. because you have your rights and its someone else's problem to stop terrorism right? yeah and im the lazy one.
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... No, we want the government to search for terrorist. BUT, not by 'any means possible'. They MUST do the searches within the limits of the constitution. The fact that the BUSH regime seems to think that the consitution is 'just some piece of paper' is what terrifies us all. Whose to say that tommorrow one of your views won't suddenly be declared 'unpatriotic'. HEll, you've seen how the dumb ass texas rednecks reacted to the dixie chicks. What's to stop someone from saying YOU are a terrorist, and having the men in black stop by and kidnap your family. We DON'T believe the government has the right to spy on it's own citizens. The day the government ignores the constitution is the day we need to rise up and kill them all.
You are too dumb to realize that though. You think the government is working for YOUR best interest? Let me enlighten you. Power corrupts, ALWAYS. Giving the government power means we WILL have corruption. Your just not smart enough to realize that.
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| | | | | | | | | Farley3Holyshnikes
join:2002-01-23
Croswell, MI | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... Right Im not smart enough to understand that KarlMarx, maybe you could enlighten me and tell me how the Karl Marx Goverment would stop Terrorismt at home.
This Constituion that you speak of like its gods word, is this the same document that gave people the right to own slaves?
Yeah thats exactly what i thought, a document that constantly needs to be revised because of the ever changing America.
Since if you eliminate the ability to monitor phone conversations by the NSA, then well the terrorist will just go ahead and start using the phones? Please tell me im wrong???
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| | | | | | | | | | | said by karlmarx: You think the government is working for YOUR best interest? Let me enlighten you. Power corrupts, ALWAYS. Giving the government power means we WILL have corruption. Your just not smart enough to realize that. Enlighten me, because I fail to see how they are 'probing' for terrorists, when they start pushing this.
Security agency lobbies for 'open' borders
Homeland Security effort demonstrates USA 'a welcoming nation'
From article quote:
The federal department assigned to make the United States borders secure and prevent the admission of terrorists who could create another national catastrophe like that of 9/11 in which thousands of innocent Americans were killed now is promoting open borders.
The Department of Homeland Security's website features a section that is called "Secure and Open Borders," where it provides information about a visa waiver program to make it easier for people to travel across national borders with less documentation, as well as a program called US-VISIT.
That program is a "top priority" to enhance security and ensure integrity of the immigration system but it also "facilitates legitimate travel and trade" and "protects the privacy of our visitors."
US-VISIT is helping us demonstrate that we remain a welcoming nation and that we can keep America's doors open and our nation secure," the department says.
The pronouncements follow the vision brought to Homeland Security by Secretary Michael Chertoff, who said recently that a visitor's first impression of the United States is lasting.
Sometimes the impression is very long lasting to say the least. Full story here »www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic···ID=54557
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Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | Homeland Security revives supersnoop
By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
March 8, 2007
Senator Russell Feingold Senator Russell Feingold Roey Yohai (THE WASHINGTON TIMES)
Homeland Security officials are testing a supersnoop computer system that sifts through personal information on U.S. citizens to detect possible terrorist attacks, prompting concerns from lawmakers who have called for investigations.
The system uses the same data-mining process that was developed by the Pentagon's Total Information Awareness (TIA) project that was banned by Congress in 2003 because of vast privacy violations.
»washingtontimes.com/national/200···382r.htm
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Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. | |
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| | | | | | | | | said by Farley3:I'm the idiot who lost Family members to terrorism[...]i could give a shit less about your rights[...]yeah and im the lazy one. I think that fairly distills your position. You are a blowhard ninny who believes turning the U.S. into a fascist state will prevent your ever having to suffer heartbreak again. It just isn't rational. Suck it up, and discover who your true enemy is. The The BUSH regime isn't interested in making the world "safe for democracy", or waging a "war against terrorism". The BUSH regime is systematically destroying the our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and our Congressional and Judicial systems, which were designed keep megalomaniacal despots like BUSH from seizing power from the people and their elected representatives in the first place, so it can suppress organized grassroots resistance to its plan for American world hegemony from the only source capable of stopping it; the people of the United States. The suppression of political opposition is the goal of unrestricted and pervasive domestic surveillance, not the discovery of a few terrorists within our midst.
That you don't respect your own entitlement to protection of your civil rights is one thing, but to demand others to give up their rights for your momentary peace of mind, no matter how illusory, makes you the poster boy for "Brown Shirt" recruiters everywhere. | |
| | | | | | | | | Farley3Holyshnikes
join:2002-01-23
Croswell, MI
2 edits | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... Ross you have all the answers dont cha, well except any type of solution to fight terrorism at home, You keep responding as if Terrorism doesnt exsist. Its just some problem that you dont have to deal with and your not interested in it unless its somehow going to put a hamper on your life So tell me Ross, how exactly does such a smart guy like yourself handle terrorism being planned using your nations own communications system? according to you there are only a few terrorists within our midst,
Ross heres a great question for you im sure you wont have the answer for, dont you give up civil liberties every time you go to the airport and they go through your bags before you get on the airplane? im sure they go through all your personal belongings, put their sleezy little government hands all over your clothing.. why is that ok? but listening to your phone calls isnt? Seems like that pretty much Distills your position doesnt it?
I am willing to bet that if there was a new Airline call United Airlines Civil Liberties,
"we dont check your bags because they are yours!"
you and your wife wouldnt be caught dead flying on it  ?
please correct me if im wrong?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... said by Farley3:...[insert usual off-topic, inappropriate and/or asinine assertion here]... You are, as usual, nearly 100% wrong. I don't agree with searching airline passengers without probable cause, period. Got probable cause? Got a suspect? Get a warrant! Hand, or machine inspection of some statistically relevant percentage of carry-on, and checked, baggage on a random basis is something that should be done, but solely, and specifically to detect explosive devices, concealable handheld firearms, chemical or nuclear weapons, not improvisational weapons (there has to be a limit to what can be considered a weapon, and some justification for assuming the intent to use whatever it may be as such). Other "contraband", including drugs, should go unmolested unless probable cause justifies the search, discovery and/or seizure (in other words, get a witness and a warrant, or leave it alone).
I would happily fly on an airline that did not employ procedures more stringent than those in place before 9/11, or those stated above. I suspect the lines would be shorter, less stressful, and a great deal less invasive of everyone's privacy rights than the ones you seem content to put up with, but I don't think they would be necessarily any less secure.
However, your question concerns public transport, not the private communications between private citizens which was the subject of discussion, and which involves a fundamentally different consideration, and protection. | |
| | | | | | | | | | Farley3Holyshnikes
join:2002-01-23
Croswell, MI
4 edits | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... "I don't agree with searching airline passengers without probable cause,"
but I don't think they would be necessarily any less secure.
Other "contraband", including drugs, should go unmolested unless probable cause justifies the search
LOL
Once again you almost completely ignore that fact that there even is a problem with terrorism, Must be nice to live in your world.
Also Its odd to me that all i did was voice my opinion and since i didnt agree with your ways you had to resort to name calling instead of respecting my opinion in this America of rights that your so big on protecting, verrryy nice
My point of bringing up airline safety, was to show you, how you want to be able to pick and choose what rights of yours are being violated. The problem (which you offer no reasonable alternative to for the 3rd time) is Terrorists at home take a private life style much like yours and mine until its time to strike, much like we seen on 9/11. but once again im completely wasting my time, your so for saving our rights, but you could care less about offering any alternative means of policing terrorism.
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The exsistance of Flame throws says that at sometime, somewhere, someone said, ya know.. i really want to light that guy over there on fire but i just cant reach that far...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: This discussion seems eerily like... The original subject was whistleblowing by government and private employees. I initially responded to a post by another who questioned the propriety of the whistleblower possibly having been compensated by a media outlet for the relation of his story:
"You want to clarify/qualify your question? What difference would it make if the whistleblower got paid, or how much he got paid, by ABC to relate his story of the unwarranted, unconstitutional spying on every American citizen's telephone, e-mail, internet communications by the BUSH regime? He certainly can't work in his chosen field anymore. His personal sacrifice in exposing the governments unlawful acts should be rewarded, not condemned. But perhaps only true patriots would see that to be the case.
Furthermore, if you support the BUSH regime's wholly unconstitutional, unlawful rule by executive edict, and its pervasive spying on all America's citizens as acceptable, you are deluded, dysfunctional and contributing to the death of our American republic at the hands of the neo-con fascisti currently in power."
Then, you changed the subject. Not once, but twice!
said by Farley3:If the NSA listening to my phone conversations about the neighbors dog taking a sh$# on my lawn is the biggest inconvenience to finding the one phone call where some jackoff is trying to bring a Suitcase nuke or a dirty bomb into this country and kill a couple 100 thousand people im all for it.. said by Farley3:[...]Once again you almost completely ignore that fact that there even is a problem with terrorism, Must be nice to live in your world. Also Its odd to me that all i did was voice my opinion and since i didnt agree with your ways you had to resort to name calling instead of respecting my opinion in this America of rights that your so big on protecting, verrryy nice I don't ignore that there is terrorism in the world. Neither am I blinded to the fact that my government is responsible for 60%-80% of it, and they'd like to bring their act home to America in the form of a drastically altered structure of government. The terrorists I am most concerned with are G.W. BUSH and his henchmen. He and his boys are doing the most damage to the American way of life, as well as everyone else's on the planet, in my opinion.
Lastly, if you had an opinion that wasn't conjured up and spoon-fed to you by neo-con apologists trading on your personal grief to misdirect your attention in order to cover up the coup perpetrated against the American people in the elections of 2000, and as solidified in 2001, I might listen. Our unelected leaders, emboldened and empowered by the undefended attack on the World Trade Center in 2001, launched their attack on the structure of the federal government and the Contitution in the form of the USAPATRIOT ACT. They launched their neo-religious crusade in 2003, the so-called "war on terror", against a sovereign country which had no links to the terrorists who attacked the WTC. All done to promote and secure an imperialist American world hegemony.
The coup against the American people has now been codified, hopefully not irreversibly, and re-certified with the extension of the USAPATRIOT ACT, and the MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT. The result has been the gelding of the Congress and the Courts, and ultimately of the people, and the quasi-institutionalization of rule by Executive Order in the place of Rule of Law.
The removal of our personal freedoms, including Habeas Corpus, which you probably also blithely sanction, intentionally denies the last refuge of the people, to be free in their private thoughts and matters, and leads to the eventual de facto suppression of any public or private discussion in opposition to the power of the state which has been so usurped.
In any case, I never said you didn't have the right to an opinion, or a right express it. Though, I do think your support of the BUSH regime's agenda will eventually remove your rights to both opinion and its expression.
I believe your position is unreasoned and ridiculous, and I said so. I object to your trying to force your paranoid make-believe world upon me, and millions of other citizens, who value their freedoms more than your peaceful, unreflective slumber. Especially, when you propose disposing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights to do so. There are better ways to defend against terrorism than forsaking the the birthrights of all American citizens.
said by Farley3:[...]My point of bringing up airline safety, was to show you, how you want to be able to pick and choose what rights of yours are being violated. The problem (which you offer no reasonable alternative to for the 3rd time) is Terrorists at home take a private life style much like yours and mine until its time to strike, much like we seen on 9/11. but once again im completely wasting my time, your so for saving our rights, but you could care less about offering any alternative means of policing terrorism. Fuck you, and your zenophobic paranoia! I am not in the anti-terrorism business. I employ others to make rational judgments in that regard. However, it is my duty and obligation to object strenuously when, in their exuberance to do a good job, they over-step their bounds, and attempt to kill off all worth protecting so none will attack it. I'm not suicidal, in any sense, or sphere, but, perhaps you are... | |
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