lingotech
join:2004-02-02
Sandy, UT
1 edit | Qwest routing change recently?
Hello.
Just out of salt lake city and have had quest dsl for a bit now. My concern came up because untill yesterday i had decent ping times from 50-70 coming from salt lake to california. But all of a sudden my ping time increased to 100+. I checked my modem, upgraded the firmware on it and nothing. So i went to my neighbors who have the same connection and had the same problem.
I then decided to dig a little further and do a tracert the gaming servers i usually play at.
i noticed on the 4th hop it is skipping over to dallas when it used to not... and from out of dallas i start to get worse ping.
Anyone else noticing a new lag comming from qwest? |
|
christcorp
Premium
join:2001-05-21
Cheyenne, WY
 ·VOIPo
 ·Bresnan Online
| As you can see, there aren't a lot of responses. That's because it's generally accepted, that if you are that picky about latency and are an avid gamer who wants the fastest, that you should go with cable and not Qwest DSL. Qwest DSL using interleaving which adds an additional 32ms to all round trip pings. You aren't going to get away from that. At least not for a while. Not until Qwest changes that.
Most people prefer the stability and lack of jitter with Qwest dsl over cable. Cable may have lower latency, but that latency and bandwidth isn't as consistent as Qwest DSL is. Almost all of my traceroutes go through Dallas. Qwest does a lot of hand off to Level 3. That's where one of their biggest connection points are. I am in Wyoming, and a trace to california will still go to Denver, then Dallas, then to California. That's the way it is. Later... Mike.... |
|
AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| Mike I think he was experiencing some new routing latency rather than just the usual interleave variety.
And I think DSL can be consistently better for routing if you choose an ISP that has multiple backbone connections. (They're out there, you just have to look for them.)
Unfortunately I can't comment on Qwest routing issues from personal experience since we aren't using them for our ISP here at the office.
--
"Talk about the goats guarding the garbage!" -Dick Morris |
|
christcorp
Premium
join:2001-05-21
Cheyenne, WY
·VOIPo
·Bresnan Online
| You are absolutely correct. That is the one major thing going for Qwest DSL. You can use a 3rd party ISP. As such, your physical Qwest DSL routes via a proxy; (3rd party ISP). If you find the right one, you can indeed have some better traceroutes to where you might want to go. The key of course if finding a 3rd party ISP that has a direct connection to Qwest in your town and has good contract backbones to the internet. It won't ever be as long a latency as cable, but it will be possibly less than the Qwest.net/Qwest MSN dsl tracing to the same sights. Of course, the best thing to do is to visit one of these 3rd party ISP's in your town and have them let you do all the trace routes you want to see if you are happy.
For a list of all the 3rd party providers, just go to qwest.net at the bottom is "High Speed Internet". Then on the left is "Other ISPs". Then click on your state. Then on the left is "ISP LIST". It will list ALL 3rd party DSL ISP's that have a connection agreement with Qwest in your state. Then just go to some of the ones you like; possibly in the same town; and see if you like their connections. Later... Mike... |
|
caffeinator
Coming soon to a cup near you..
Premium
join:2005-01-16
Spokane, WA
 ·WebBand
| Agreed, I love my ISP's routing.
For example, tracert to yahoo (in cali) goes pretty much straight there from here in eastern WA.
Bam, from here to Oakland ...a nice hop there 
--- 03/10/07 00:00:36 Pacific Standard Time
--- looking up host yahoo.com
--- traceroute to yahoo.com [66.94.234.13],
30 hops max, 18 byte packets
1 [ 66.45.176.66] 66-45-176-66.ptr.llix.net 30 ms
2 [ 66.45.176.65] 66-45-176-65.ptr.llix.net 40 ms
3 [ 65.61.96.49] 65.61.96.49 40 ms
4 [ 65.61.96.9] br1-ge-1-0.spkn.llix.net 30 ms
5 [ 66.193.134.53] 66.193.134.53 120 ms
6 [ 66.192.248.164] dist-01-ge-3-0-0-510.spkn.twtelecom.net 40 ms
7 [ 66.192.250.0] core-01-so-3-0-0-0.okld.twtelecom.net 71 ms
8 [ 64.129.248.19] peer-02-so-0-0-0-0.palo.twtelecom.net 70 ms
9 [ 66.192.252.112] 66.192.252.112 70 ms
10 [216.115.106.207] ge-4-0-0-p451.msr2.scd.yahoo.com 60 ms
11 [ 66.218.82.223] ten-2-3-bas2.scd.yahoo.com 71 ms
12 [ 66.94.234.13] w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com 70 ms
--- traceroute statistics for yahoo.com
12 packets transmitted, 12 received
round-trip time (ms) min 30, avg 59, max 120
Not bad for my 1.5M service.
I do pay a bit more, but I feel it's worth it.
-CaFF
--
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - A. Einstein |
|
brmasha
join:2000-05-16
Logan, UT
| reply to lingotech
lingotech, check out xmission, they are a local SLC ISP that peer with several backbone providers. If you want me to run a traceroute for you just PM me and I would be happy to.
Check out »stats.xmission.com/routers/public |
|
hurfy
Premium
join:2002-08-06
Spokane, WA
| reply to caffeinator
Umm, qwest does not have a problem going to California....EVERYTHING (from here) on Qwest seems to go to Califonia, even if i want to go next door 
I resolve yahoo.com to a diferent number so i entered the IP you used. Qwest from Spokane. Looks like you would beat me by 10ms IF i was interleaved 
Tracing route to w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.234.13]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 71.216.33.238
2 22 ms 21 ms 22 ms spkn-dsl-gw02-194.spkn.qwest.net [207.225.41.194]
3 41 ms 22 ms 21 ms spkn-agw1.inet.qwest.net [207.225.41.93]
4 37 ms 122 ms 21 ms spk-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.153.33]
5 29 ms 30 ms 29 ms tuk-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.5.54]
6 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net [67.14.12.6]
7 46 ms 46 ms 47 ms pax-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.214.38]
8 47 ms 46 ms 47 ms if-1-1.core3.PDI-PaloAlto.Teleglobe.net [207.45.213.133]
9 46 ms 48 ms 48 ms ix-6-2.core3.PDI-PaloAlto.Teleglobe.net [207.45.213.130]
10 47 ms 48 ms 47 ms ge-4-0-0-p450.msr2.scd.yahoo.com [216.115.106.205]
11 206 ms 48 ms 57 ms ten-1-3-bas2.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.82.219]
12 48 ms 49 ms 48 ms w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.234.13]
Trace complete.
I haven't checked if the routing on my home ISP is diferent. The ping to seattle was 20ms when i used their game servers long ago.
Someday i would love to know why it is best for the internet signal to go 3000 miles to talk to someone down the block....Seems the pipes would be cleaner if there wasn't a 3000 mile joyride. |
|
christcorp
Premium
join:2001-05-21
Cheyenne, WY
·VOIPo
·Bresnan Online
| Ask Al Gore. That's how the internet is designed. There are many different entities involved in moving traffic around the world. An ISP could do direct routing, but then that would cost them a lot more money to have trunks to multiple places throughout the world. By centralizing the ISP in a few places, then shipping off to a backbone provider like Level 3, an ISP can be much more efficient and cost effective. The majority of most people's web connections aren't usually in their own town. Later... Mike... |
|
caffeinator
Coming soon to a cup near you..
Premium
join:2005-01-16
Spokane, WA
·WebBand
2 edits | reply to hurfy
Ah, interleave, I have, it's just my ISP also runs a regional datacenter...5 miles away. They are very well connected.
I'm guessing you ran that from CET, which would be cheating.
I can beat most any qwest trace. We have time warner backbones and others as well, more than CET. And, I'm damn near sitting on Mae West just like u. Google that.
We got more dark fiber here than most cities have lit, eh? Terabyte Triangle and such nonsense.
Gimme a target, i'll trace it.
Can I trace from my 56 Marietta account?.
I used yahoo as a baseline only.
I'm on 1.5 service, but I can get 7M..which blows our Comtastic buddies out of the water. For less since I don't have TV service.
I see yer from CET..fun..you guys still in business eh?
Funny how ya crash every so often...least ya don't do half the p0rn Icehouse does.
*boinkBoard*
-CaFF
--
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - A. Einstein |
|
