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Re: Black Viper is back! Yes,
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Name Game
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said by toadlife  :Call me envious... Call me a hater.... Call me an asshole (I am), but... *yawn* I seriously don't understand why people fawn over this moron. His site is full of information ripped off from other sources, and illogical rants that show at best his mediocre brain capacity. His, and his adoring fans belief that shutting off services improves application performance in Windows 2000 and XP is a perfect demonstration of the placebo effect in action, as published (and unpublished - I've done them myself) benchmarks have shown that shutting off services in Windows XP has virtually zero benefit. If you want to learn about Windows, try www.microsoft.com. There you can get all of that good Windows information, minus the stupid hamburger rants. /end_rant (maybe BV can publish it next to his hamburger rant) Hey toadlife,
Since you just joined us in 2004it is time for a history lesson and some addtional info to spice up the thread.
"In October 2001, Microsoft released Windows XP, a version built on the Windows NT kernel that also retained the consumer-oriented usability of Windows 95 and its successors. This new version was widely praised in computer magazines.[1] It shipped in two distinct editions, "Home" and "Professional", the former lacking many of the superior security and networking features of the Professional edition. Additionally, the "Media Center" edition was released in 2003, with an emphasis on support for DVD and TV functionality including program recording and a remote control. Mainstream support for Windows XP will continue until April 14, 2009 and extended support will continue until April 8, 2014.[5]"
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP
With those dates in mind..those "other sources" (Microsoft themselves  )you mentioned  did not even published that info until.. Published: May 1, 2003 | Updated: May 2, 2003
 
Then you jump into a 09-04-05, 03:13 PM Fresh Daemon's rant post about Blackviper where he does a clean installs of Windows XP, but it is really in both cases "brand-new installation of XP SP2 " and we know it's XP Pro and his goal is to tell gamers they need more RAM after he overclock the hardware with tweakies..and uses it all to bash Blackvipers site wherein at Blackviper Original content created: February 14, 1999 and He published info that not only Fresh Daemon used to rant..but the real facts are BlackViper was the first one, even before Microsoft themselves, publish ANY details on XP Services Information whatsoever muchless in a format that all could understand when Win XP was first released.
So all of you can rant till the cows come home and even Fresh Daemon can post freely admitting "Don't imagine that the services BV disables to achieve his Power User and Barebones configurations are unnecessary or useless for the desktop user, they're not, and memory savings here definitely come at the expense of functionality."
But the real facts today in 2007 is that the functionality that he speaks about is User preference..just like he expressed his own Personal preferences on his likes or dislikes.
And the fact even remains that there are even differnet kinds of gamers and overclockers. Some just play..some host..etc.
Since we are now in the age of SP2 on XP and not yet SP3
I would suggested that even Fresh Daemon info is outdated from 2005..and I could add a buddle of tweaks and suggestions for user of winxp sp2 pro that would also help since Microsoft did finally wake up and take Security seriously on that Service Pack..but they also crippled the user in other respects that can be corrected by the USER without giving up on Security.
For now the link I have the most respect for is this one.
Microsoft WINDOWS XP Services Setting
BOOSTING PERFORMANCES ON LOWER RESOURCEFUL SYSTEMS RUNNING WINDOWS XP.
Notes: Disabling Windows XP "un-needed services" can free up to 12MB-70MB of RAM, depending on system.
the info is factual..and it even gives credit
Editor's Note: This information was originally created and belongs to Black Viper.
We have reproduced and enhanced it, in part until the original website returns, if ever.
»www.racelinecentral.com/WindowsX···ces.html
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Name Game
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1 edit | reply to NICK ADSL UK
The most amusing stuff in Fresh Daemon's thread is when he does his bechmarking in this Part III thingie...and tires to "one up" BlackViper even in terminology.
Part III: "Swap files", Themes and other miscellany
Now we come to BV's non-services recommendations.
First off, he discusses "swap files" (by which he means page files). His recommendations, from the worst performance to the best:
»www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=410234
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Long after the release of Win XP, Mircosoft then finally made up a page where they took a shot at Performance
That you can read here with other suggestions they now have besides RAM with XP.
Managing your computer's performance
»www.microsoft.com/resources/docu···mfr=true
Managing computer memory
When your computer is running low on RAM and more is needed immediately, Windows uses hard drive space to simulate system RAM. This is known as virtual memory, and is often called the paging file This is similar to the UNIX swapfile. The default size of the virtual memory pagefile (named pagefile.sys) created during installation is 1.5 times the amount of RAM on your computer.
You can optimize virtual memory use by dividing the space between multiple drives and removing it from slower or heavily accessed drives. To best optimize your virtual memory space, divide it among as many physical hard drives as possible. When selecting drives, keep the following guidelines in mind:
• Try to avoid having a pagefile on the same drive as the system files.
• Avoid putting a pagefile on a fault-tolerant drive, such as a mirrored volume or a RAID-5 volume Pagefiles don't need fault-tolerance, and some fault-tolerant systems suffer from slow data writes because they write data to multiple locations.
• Don't place multiple pagefiles on different partitions on the same physical disk drive.
You can choose to optimize your computer's memory usage. If you use your computer primarily as a workstation, rather than as a server, you can have more memory devoted to your programs. Your programs will work faster and your system cache size will be the default size that came with Windows XP. You can also specify to set aside more computer memory for a larger system cache, If your computer is used primarily as a server, or if you use programs that require a larger cache.
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Bobby_Peru
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2 edits | reply to jabarnut
Thanks Nick!
said by jabarnut :If I'm the * some * people you're referring to, I never called him any "names". I simply stated that if he was going to suddenly disappear for two years, maybe he owed his "loyal readers" at least some sort of explanation as to why, *before* he left. And lets just say that was impossible for some reason. Now that he's finally back...what's with the big mystery? Come out and explain it now. He could have done that in the time it took him to write the short mystery novel that is on his site at the moment. Jeez said by SpannerITWks : You wanna see him disappear again soon or what ? Spanner Sure as hell wouldn't bother me. »Re: BlackViper
said by jabarnt : said by whizkid3 :
Why doesn't someone write him?
Great idea whizkid3 I just did! I'm thinking (hoping), he will eventually be back too. Of course "Site under construction and coming soon" could mean anything. Like a lot of people, I really miss the Site and told him so....I'll let you guys know in the rare event I actually hear from him. Perhaps he really did answer your inquiring Spring missive back then two years ago (if he received it), or at least thought about answering it (if he could) ...
Either way, it's good to know that he is apparently alright!
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jabarnut
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join:2005-01-22
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| Perhaps you should have also read a little further along in the thread:
»Re: BlackViper
What can I say....I'm a littler wiser now.
Not much, but a little.
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AB
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said by altermatt :...are we SURE this is really the original BV? Some have suggested (I have absolutely no info one way or another) that someone else grabbed the domain name when it came up for renewal, not to update anything, but to hit loyal users up for donations and then never contribute anything further. If it's Blackviper, I'm happy for him, and glad to see him back.
Love him or hate him-- you can take him with a grain of salt, but the guy provides great information.
The only downside could be if it is in fact as you alluded to, and this is none other than Blackviper's arch-enemy "The Red Salamander" instead-- foul deeds being done, and just one more step in his dastardly world Windows Services-Guide Website domination scheme.
Time will tell . . . .
Let's keep our fingers crossed! |
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Keizer
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join:2003-01-20
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Black Vipers site is where I first learned how to do a clean install of XP. This is after asking friends who claimed to know how to do it, but could not answer specific questions I had. His step by step instructions posted on his web site were perfect!!
With that said, I really don't understand the huge fan following. I used his site to help me out with a few things. I use alot of different websites for gathering information. If a web site disappears, I find another one.
Anyway, I am glad he decided to return, and continue helping other PC users. |
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Bobby_Peru
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Naw, once through back then was more than enough, though the post of yours that you linked to is itself a possible reason he did not respond to your email (as well as it raising good points as to other possible reasons for the whole "mystery"). 
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toadlife
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join:2004-05-03
Lemoore, CA
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said by Name Game :said by toadlife :Call me envious... Call me a hater.... Call me an asshole (I am), but... *yawn* I seriously don't understand why people fawn over this moron. His site is full of information ripped off from other sources, and illogical rants that show at best his mediocre brain capacity. His, and his adoring fans belief that shutting off services improves application performance in Windows 2000 and XP is a perfect demonstration of the placebo effect in action, as published (and unpublished - I've done them myself) benchmarks have shown that shutting off services in Windows XP has virtually zero benefit. If you want to learn about Windows, try www.microsoft.com. There you can get all of that good Windows information, minus the stupid hamburger rants. /end_rant (maybe BV can publish it next to his hamburger rant) Hey toadlife, Since you just joined us in 2004it is time for a history lesson and some addtional info to spice up the thread.... Gee. Thanks for putting me in my place. I feel so stupid now.
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toadlife
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said by Name Game :For now the link I have the most respect for is this one. Translation: I'm am one of those people who believes that if something is written on the internet more than once, it must be true.
said by Name Game :Microsoft WINDOWS XP Services Setting
BOOSTING PERFORMANCES ON LOWER RESOURCEFUL SYSTEMS RUNNING WINDOWS XP.Notes: Disabling Windows XP "un-needed services" can free up to 12MB-70MB of RAM, depending on system. the info is factual..and it even gives credit Editor's Note: This information was originally created and belongs to Black Viper. We have reproduced and enhanced it, in part until the original website returns, if ever. » www.racelinecentral.com/WindowsX···ces.html Concepts for you to familiarize yourself with:
* Preemptive Multitasking
* Virtual Memory
Both of them make disabling services next to useless.
Disabling services will decrease 12-70MB of data in your swap file and can speed up boot time. Speeding up your boot time is not a bad thing, but you are fooling yourself if you think there is any other performance benefit to disabling services.
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Name Game
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1 edit | reply to NICK ADSL UK
It will speed up more than boot time even if you let Window manage..which is silly to do in the first place. I am certianly familiar with pre-emptive multitasking to guarantee each process a regular "slice" of operating time making the processor rattle around the jobs in the queue.
When people get that famous message in XP..
"Digitized sounds are not available in Enhanced Mode due to the nature of preemptive multitasking. Use standard mode [win /s] to allow for digitized sounds"
..they cringe also.
But out the gaming arena and back to the every day user..The More RAM they can end up with just after a full reboot..the better their performance will be..
Here's a laptop laying around which proves it..
You should have seen it before we uninstalled Window Defender..the mix of ram and swap was funny.
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Hurray!
This is the best birthday present I received this year!
Wednesday, March 7, 2007 @ 2:26 PM PST
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Owlbet
Ignite the Ice
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join:2002-09-24
Palmer, AK
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Windows Services - Black Viper 2002
Everything else - DSLR 2004 to present
Even though I've been a member since of DSLR since 2002, the initial drive to learn the ins and outs of online security came from GRC.com and Black Viper.
Welcome back, Black Viper.
said by CS Anon Style :
This is the best birthday present I received this year!
Happy Birthday. |
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toadlife
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said by Name Game :It will speed up more than boot time even if you let Window manage..which is silly to do in the first place. Please point me to some tests that show this. I've never seen any. However, I have seen tests that show the opposite.
said by Name Game :I am certianly familiar with pre-emptive multitasking to guarantee each process a regular "slice" of operating time making the processor rattle around the jobs in the queue. Exactly. Which is why disabling services does not make a difference. These services, for the most part just sit there and do nothing. A process that does nothing does not take up a measurable amount of CPU time from other processes.
Virtual memory is why disabling services appears to free up RAM, but really does nothing but keep data from being loaded into the swap file at boot. XP and all other modern operating systems move the memory pages allocated by processes to virtual memory when they are not being used. As a result, the memory being taken up by these idle services does not impact processes that are active. Windows operating systems are "swap happy" and like to write pretty much all physical memory to the swap file as soon as they are loaded. Other OSs like linux and FreeBSD, tend to try to fill up physical memory before resorting to swapping, but in the end they all do the same thing - they make it so processes that need physical memory get it.
said by Name Game :When people get that famous message in XP.. "Digitized sounds are not available in Enhanced Mode due to the nature of preemptive multitasking. Use standard mode [win /s] to allow for digitized sounds" ..they cringe also. You are quoting an error from a badly written game for Windows 95. Is there a point to that?
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Backyard | reply to NICK ADSL UK
Nice to see black viper back. Since I discovered »www.whatsrunning.net/whatsrunning/main.aspx it has proven very useful in addition to bv. |
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SpannerITWks
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It seems like quite a few people are focusing only on things like, how many Mb's of RAM and HD could be saved !
Many of the tweaks he mentions actually help to secure your PC a lot better, by shutting down services etc that are not required, so can't be used by Malware.
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Love him or hate him (and I really don't understand the hate towards someone who spent a lot of unpaid hours creating and maintaining the site, as well expenses) he did provide a simple, yet complete guide for those wanting to gain control of their OS as MS used to be in the habit of activating everything but the kitchen sink, while providing little information.
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Name Game
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said by toadlife : You are quoting an error from a badly written game for Windows 95. Is there a point to that? My point is many of the games out there are still bady written..and user have more than just games to contend with on their PC's today since they also use them for other things as the primary use.They buy them canned from a manufacture and they do not build them from scratch. This means they have all kinds of Aplications Loaded and services runnning even with processes in the background.
Now you can push the limits of your swap..
»www.ap0calypse.com/archive/index···-97.html
or buy as much RAM as your boards will take..but it still comes down to the fact that disabling services you do not need in WinXP for the average user will gain more RAM and over a 24 hour period if you set up Cacheman to monitor your PC it will give you the min/max values on all the perameters..even as you deal with waiting for windows to resize the swap and pray that you do not run into fragmentation.
All services do not just sit there and those that a user does not need they can set them to manual or disable. Even SP2 took a crack at a few..and lest we forget..not all user are running Pro.. most are WinXP Home.
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1 edit | reply to toadlife
said by toadlife :Windows operating systems are "swap happy" and like to write pretty much all physical memory to the swap file as soon as they are loaded. Other OSs like linux and FreeBSD, tend to try to fill up physical memory before resorting to swapping, but in the end they all do the same thing - they make it so processes that need physical memory get it. So, I take it you are one of those who set a gigantic swap file size? I think that doesn't make much sense. I force XP to use physical memory. I set a small swap file and that has worked beautifully. I monitor its usage and it has always been under 80% of the limit I set until a couple of days ago (when I was trying to save data in Process Monitor and Process Explorer was running also) and that is the only time that Windows has had to resize the page file in over 3 years and tell me I was totally out of physical memory.
Edit to add that I think is great that BlackViper is back. I'm like Crystal Sky...it is a lovely birthday present.
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