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Re: I would rather...
you are right! that damn gub'mint! can't do nutin' right! just look at Iraq! |
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| The famous variation of Goodwin's law. Federal Government=Bush=Iraq=Bad. 
How about having an original thought once in awhile?
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| right, that coming someone spouting right wing fatty limbaugh's talking points?
i will never understand how the right equates corporate welfare (that is, giving corporations money---taxes paid by the people to the u.s. government) as both a good thing and consistent with their less government, less taxes, and free market mentality. the hypocrisy is astounding. |
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| So you would rather have the Federal Government handle it squander the money away, than have private companies build and deploy, while being heavily scrutinized, the rural areas and backbone infrastructure?
I'll take private enterprise any day.
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| why do you think private enterprise is better? seriously. private enterprise is just as bad if not worse. just look at Verizon and the broken promises of fiber connections to the entire state of Pennsylvania. they received billions of dollars in tax breaks based on their promise to deliver fiber connections to all. they failed. but they still got billions. you don't call that squandering money of epic proportions? |
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clubs: | re-read my post, I do believe that I said "while being heavily scrutinized". |
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clubs: | private enterprise is just as bad if not worse. |
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| Any form of system whether it be free or locked in as communism shall fail miserably because its never controlled and eventually abuse happens and slush occurs within the system causing it to crash.
Private organizations should never be in any form or way in part of the government other than some regulations they must follow.
If you think your idea of having a public enterprise run everything that it shall be this wonderful Utopia that solves world hunger you are deeply mistaken and if you seek perfection you will really fall down that rabbit hole.
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| P.S The root cause is human greed and thats something thats in all of us no matter how loyal or american we are.
The problem is us, its those who abuse the system that cause the trend and eventually everyone else follows the train.
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said by morbo  :private enterprise is just as bad if not worse. I have to disagree, the govement spends 800 bucks on a toliet seat, I work for a telco company and i can tell you i run home for a number 2, no way im squating there even with the the fancy sheet protectors..
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| said by Farley :said by morbo :private enterprise is just as bad if not worse. I have to disagree, the govement spends 800 bucks on a toliet seat, I work for a telco company and i can tell you i run home for a number 2, no way im squating there even with the the fancy sheet protectors.. you have it wrong--- private enterprise CHARGES the government $800 for a toilet seat. the lack of oversight built into the system is what allow those kinds of acts to exist. in that case, it is the greed of private enterprise. |
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said by Michieru :If you think your idea of having a public enterprise run everything that it shall be this wonderful Utopia that solves world hunger you are deeply mistaken and if you seek perfection you will really fall down that rabbit hole. whose idea? i never said i want the government to run everything. i did say that it is ridiculous that there are people that demonize the government and laud free enterprise and private companies as there are plenty of examples of private enterprise being both greedy and inefficient. Verizon is one example. Enron another. How about Halliburton overcharging? TOo many examples to list... |
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absolute power corrupts... absolutely. |
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Farley
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Hmm Morbo maybe, but i honestly take alot of pride in my bathroom so ive been to Lowes and Home Depot looking at all the hotseats and ive never seen a Seat there for 800 bucks...
Now Patio furniture is a different story... ugh!
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Guess what they all have in common? Or is that already common sense by now?
Large corporations with too much control with then leave a nice crater of destruction once they are done and cleaned out.
While everyone was affected by the radiation of that blast one way or the other.
Supporter or not greed does not discriminate.
But there are also too many examples of government with too much control. Or better said the church was government back in the day. But thats another story.
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It's called contractors inflating prices.
That abuse has been around for centuries. I know how they do it as well because contractors love to do the same for all of us who got screwed over by the hurricane and then milk people incredible prices for jobs that should be twice as less.
Contractors ask the suppliers to increase the amount of the actual good on the receipt and the contractors in general overspend not for sake of being short but because they can earn supplies off their clients.
A bag of cement will go for around 2.00USD? For a contractor that bag of cement will now cost you 5.00USD.
Many tried to pull that trick on me but I usually screw them over as I tell them "I shall buy the supplies" and as always it ends up costing me much less and simply have them work for the specific job. On top of that I watch them work just to piss them off because some love to not follow building codes yet they state "we shall make it by code".
I know what proper building code is as well because I was taught that when I worked in construction. So if they want to pull a fast one by saying "Thats how it goes, your trying to tell me?" bull.
Now, since government is not one person, they simply say ok give me the total cost, and I will pay.
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