ciucca
join:2004-05-24 | So what?
Who cares?!
Give me a DOCSIS 1.0 modem with @home (remember them?) service, an uncapped modem and no bandwidth restrictions. |
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107
1 edit | Nothing is going to change. Unless Comcast is forced by the courts to change their fuzzy AUP, the "unknown to subscribers" bandwidth cap limit will still be in place only people will reach it faster and more people will be booted off.
This is a nightmare already happening for Comcast. |
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Loker
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND
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| said by CLEVELTECH  :Nothing is going to change. Unless Comcast is forced by the courts to change their fuzzy AUP, the bandwidth cap limit will still be in place only people will reach it faster and more people will be booted off. This is a nightmare already happening for Comcast. if more people will be reaching it then in theory since Comcast's cap evolves unlike a set cap it will react and go up allowing people to download more...
I really don't get why you people want them to set a cap...it is going to be set low and then a lot of the people who are whining they got a warning for downloading 400 GB's will end up whining they got booted for downloading 40.....
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107
3 edits | Listen to me, there are ways to control and balance the network where one person does not degrade another's connection. Verizon, Cox, SBC and others do it. I don't understand why Comcast doesn't or won't.
I don't understand why you have a problem with knowing what the cap limit is. Other ISPS have it and state it.
They have a cap limit because 115,000 people have been cut off by them. This is a problem that will not go away. Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is. Sooner or later you yourself will cross that unknown to you bandwidth cap and you're gonna receive the call, then what are you going to do?
I've talked to people who don't download much, don't stream video, don't FTP and they themselves were cut off. It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about.
I don't want them to set a cap, rather I want them to ADMIT there is a cap and STOP LYING to people. There's a big difference. |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| said by CLEVELTECH :Listen to me, there are ways to control and balance the network where one person does not degrade another's connection. Verizon, Cox, SBC and others do it. I don't understand why Comcast doesn't or won't. I don't understand why you have a problem with knowing what the cap limit is. Other ISPS have it and state it. They have a cap limit because 115,000 people have been cut off by them. This is a problem that will not go away. Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is. Sooner or later you yourself will cross that unknown to you bandwidth cap and you're gonna receive the call, then what are you going to do? I've talked to people who don't download much, don't stream video, don't FTP and they themselves were cut off. It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about. 115,000 LOL - HOLY CRAP, what else can you pull out of your ass ?
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107 | Get a brain and do the math:
Comcast claims 11 million HSI subscribers
They claim it's the top 1% of network abusers THEREFORE
115,0000 users were booted off. |
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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said by ciucca :Who cares?! Give me a DOCSIS 1.0 modem with @home (remember them?) service, an uncapped modem and no bandwidth restrictions. With the amount of users on the internet today, your "old school" setup would not work. You would be downloading so slow, you'd be a DSL customer by now. If you look at how much has changed in the industry since those days, you'll know what I'm talking about. 
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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Of course Comcast controls and balances their network.
What they don't, and shouldn't do however, is to allow a very select few people who for some very strange reason feel they're entitled to download 200 + gigs a month on a 43.00 per month service, to completely dominate and degrade their neighbors connections.
By the very nature of the technology behind our connections, this is a SHARED medium and I think that those who do this don't respect their neighbors one single bit.
Comcast, nor any residential provider for that matter, simply does not owe their customers paying this kind of price..access to a service that lets them download that much data per month.
If an individual were to ever go out and try to lease their own line with these speeds that allowed that..they would be paying 10 times what they do at least compared to what they pay Comcast now.
Some around BBR constantly try to use the argument that Comcast says this is an "unlimited" service. That is not what their TOS says. It says that if someone is impacting their neighbors or the network as a whole, their service can be suspended and cut off. And KUDOS to Comcast for enforcing this.
Don't get me wrong. I am NOT against people who want or need to download that kind of data per month. I AM against them however feeling that for this level of service, that Comcast owes them the right to do so. And, I am against them not realizing how their activities might affect other peoples connections.
What these people SHOULD do is to make other arrangements if possible for multiple connections or to explore whatever options might be out there for business level tiers of service.
Just because my local Chinese buffet advertises an "all you can eat" lunch buffet for 5.95, it doesn't give me the right to run over everyone in line with a truck and haul the entire serving table out of the restaurant.
Which is exactly what those abusing this service are doing...or trying to anyway.
Again, what many people COULD do who are in this situation is to perhaps subscribe also to a DSL connection and utilize that for part of their activity.
Really, it is all about having some respect for your neighbors and realizing that this technology does have it's limitations.
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL | reply to CLEVELTECH
I know your upset being kicked off for being a bandwith hog but is that all you got. You are twisting words. Comcast has never said that they have kicked off 1% of their CHSI subs.
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107
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That I understand. But here's the burning question that nobody seems to want to answer: What is acceptable usage?
Not everyone that has gotten booted off was a heavy downloader. Comcast cannot have it both ways where they tell people that there "is no limit" yet at the same time are telling people "limit your usage". |
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107
1 edit | reply to JSRoman
I just want the truth that's all. I'm not asking for the world man. And you will find that it is not just me that this has happened to. There are many people out there that share the same story as I.
Comcast clearly states it's the top 1% of network "abusers" that get booted off. That right there is admitting it. And if it is true then the numbers don't lie. They have reasons to lie and keep the public at large unaware that they do this.
When I was interviewed by the Boston Globe as to what happened to me it was very alarming to come to find out just how many people (in my state as well as outside of it) that this has happened to and even the reporter was quite confused by the lack of response by Comcast on this issue. She (like so many) had no idea that Comcast does this. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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Comcast doesn't define it because it can vary from area to area.
In the outskirts of my city, there are those who see much better primetime speeds than we do here in this bigger city. And so, obviously, Comcast can be more lenient when it comes to users there instead of here.
My area is much more congested and was recently transitioned from Adelphia and obviously, theres still work to be done. I have no problems with the service because overall, my time spent on it is 90% off peak times...and everything runs great then.
But, as soon as rush hour hits..people are seeing very degraded speeds in this city. Until they can get it all properly configured and enough bandwidth supplied to this city, it's important that they enforce their TOS closely.
I have faith that they'll do it but it will take time. In the meantime though, I can sympathize with those having problems..because for many people..primetime is the only time they have to use the service.
Really, I think that people need to take it upon themselves to know whether they're a very heavy user or not. We're not talking about occassional downloading here.
We're talking about 200 to 300 gigs a month. If someone doesn't know they fall in that camp..then I think they probably should.
Also, I'm not sure where you are getting your information but I haven't seen people cut off for much less than those levels.
Perhaps there was other issues involved in their misuse of the service.
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Cabal
Premium
join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA
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Time to get backed to Hooked on Phonics. The recent Boston.com article said top 0.01%, not top 1%. No one kicks out 1 in every 100 customers.
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107 | reply to Rick
All you have to do is do a search on google and a lot of information concerning the bandwidth limits comcast has in place and you will see that many people have gotten booted off and this is not an isolated issue. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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said by Loker :if more people will be reaching it then in theory since Comcast's cap evolves unlike a set cap it will react and go up allowing people to download more... This will only happen IF Comcast upgrades the rest of the network to handle the speeds. If they can't handle the few bandwidth hogs they have now, why even up the speeds if the network can't handle the traffic? |
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CLEVELTECH
join:2006-12-21
02107 | Exactly. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| reply to CLEVELTECH
said by CLEVELTECH :All you have to do is do a search on google and a lot of information concerning the bandwidth limits comcast has in place and you will see that many people have gotten booted off and this is not an isolated issue. Having been around BBR for a long time now, I'm quite aware of several who have gotten booted off their respective services and the reasons behind it.
And, I think it's safe to say, that when it is for bandwidth related issues, Comcasts tolerance level is very high, even up to the 200Gig per month range.
I'm sorry, but I think that is VERY fair of them and more than adequate for the level of RESIDENTIAL service they are providing here to the masses.
I think that it is incumbent upon people who fall into those kinds of ranges to KNOW that they are and to make adequate plans for a service or services that can accommodate their special needs.
It is not fair for you to expect that for 42.95 per month, that this service will be the end all for everything you need it to be. I used to have a company whereby I had and paid for a T1 line into our offices, back in the day when it was 1000.00 + per month. I KNEW what we needed..and knew that that was the level of service which my business demanded, and which I had to pay for. I did not go to my local cable company and try to convince them to run a 40.00 per month residential line into my office and try to claim that I had the right to that..and to unlimited usage on that account.
In just watching your Youtube video located here..
you state clearly that you have and had the means in place to monitor your usage.
»www.youtube.com/profile?user=CLEVELTECH
You KNEW the kinds of bandwidth requirements you had, and that you were downloading and/or uploading mega gigs of data.
You ALSO received a phone call from Comcast, warning you and asking you to moderate your usage.
All of that was a VERY clear warning sign, which you apparently didn't heed.
But now, it's somehow all Comcasts fault for your predicament.
There is ONE thing I strongly agree with you on after watching your video. You seemed very receptive to subscribing to a higher level of service..and paying for it. It would have been good if the company did have something in place to respond to that and for users like you who want and demand more. Again, I don't fault you for your usage..I'm just suggesting that you are looking at the wrong provider to supply it to you.
By the same token however, I don't think you can fault Comcast for not having it either. What they are today ..is what they are. A provider of cable broadband to residential users. I don't think you can demand that they be more than they really want to be as a company, or that they have the network in place for.
Again, and in closing..I really think that for many in your situation..the solution is to have a couple services in place. Both DSL and Cable are relatively cheap these days, and certainly wouldn't equal the cost of a T1.
People like yourselves could split your usage up among the two services and head off this kind of an issue from ever happening in the first place.
But, if it's not available, then I think it's only fair that you research and supply yourself with a service that will fit your needs. And obviously, that will cost more.
But, it should for those who require such levels of service.
Bandwidth is not cheap..especially when you get up to those speeds and capacities.
GL to you.
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy :said by Loker :if more people will be reaching it then in theory since Comcast's cap evolves unlike a set cap it will react and go up allowing people to download more... This will only happen IF Comcast upgrades the rest of the network to handle the speeds. If they can't handle the few bandwidth hogs they have now, why even up the speeds if the network can't handle the traffic? Why do you feel that Comcast should be in the business of handling "a few" bandwidth hogs? That's somewhat like saying that in some rural town, population 100..they should put an interstate highway in because 10 people want to go faster than they can now on the dirt roads that are presently there.
It would seem to me to be a much smarter business decision to say to those few "hogs" (and really, i hate that word)..
we just can't service you today. It's not what we do..nor are we setup for that.
You know, I don't go to my local grocery store expecting to buy a sofa. It's not what they do.
And, what Comcast doesn't do is to supply people with 300 gigs of data a month at these speeds..for 42 bucks a month.
It seems pretty simple to me.
As for why have the speeds..PLENTY of people download a whole lot less than those numbers, but still would like to have these speeds for when they do. I'm all the time downloading files and updates for customers machines and powerboost is the greatest thing since sliced bread for that. It also helps the larger downloads as well by giving someone a very good high speed head start on a large file.
I, nor many people though, ever come close to going through 10 to 40 gigs a month, never mind 200 to 300.
Again..these people are NOT "Hogs"..they're VERY heavy users in my book. But, they need a very heavy usage account then. And, if comcast can't be it..look elsewhere.
Don't try to make Comcast be it.
Or, once again, an idea i really think could work for many..get a dsl connection too and split things up between them. It's only 20 or 25 more per month we're talking about here. I'd be glad to pay that if i was in the 300gig a month camp.
Just my .02 cents worth.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03
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| reply to CLEVELTECH
said by CLEVELTECH :Instead of attacking and calling people like me a pirate, you should really look at this issue for what it is.... It is not fair for you to judge everyone as a pirate because their service was terminated by this ISP for an unknown cap limit that they know and refuse to tell subscribers about. Who called you a pirate? Am I crazy, or are you the first person to mention the word "pirate"? I didn't see anyone criticize you for what you download.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | reply to Rick
I have to agree, Rick. |
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