 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ | Get the *F* out of the way. This is why US has fallen from 1st to 16th in communication, political hogs slopping at the trough. NJ has a state wise franchise law and FIOS is being run to all civilized parts of the state. |
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| don't blame local municipalities for the U.S. broadband market sucking so much - blame the telcos that sat on their @sses for so long with regard to rolling out advanced services.
they wasted their time with forcing the CLECs out of business and lobbying congress and the FCC for looser regulation. These franchises that the telcos want don't include any buildout requirements and even if they do, don't have time frames. Would you be happy if the area up the road had telco video, but you didn't because they didn't think your area was worth it? |
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Not all, my dear, not all at all. It is not being run yet to multi-dwelling communities such as town homes and condos or high-rise buildings on the shore. Some of those are quite "civilized" if you consider their value/property taxes.
Point is well taken though. Enough milking is enough. I want my true broadband (10+ Mbps symmetric) and anything that hinders it is evil. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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said by nasadude:don't blame local municipalities for the U.S. broadband market sucking so much - blame the telcos that sat on their @sses for so long with regard to rolling out advanced services. This is not Ma Bell, this is the new at&t. The new at&t has to make money, as much money as possible. If that means sitting on their ass until they get what makes good business sense that is what they will do. 1st to 16th is the price, Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to nasadude
said by nasadude:don't blame local municipalities for the U.S. broadband market sucking so much - blame the telcos that sat on their @sses for so long with regard to rolling out advanced services. When any broadband provider wants to offer service but some municipal government puts up unneeded roadblocks to said deployment, then how is it wrong to blame the government? The telcos are hardly sitting on their butts here as they want to deploy this service.
said by nasadude:Would you be happy if the area up the road had telco video, but you didn't because they didn't think your area was worth it? Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market?
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 dg2Premium
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Lowell, AR | said by pnh102:Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market? Isn't that what the USF is for? UNIVERSAL service fund means we all pay extra (and we've certainly been doing that) so the telco can afford to serve "unprofitable" markets.
Here, we got the double-whammy - paying into USF for 17 years, no DSL available (2000 feet too far from CO - no explanation as to why the Stinger box at the end of the street can't be turned on.) |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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said by nasadude: Would you be happy if the area up the road had telco video, but you didn't because they didn't think your area was worth it? That is the law of the land, universal service at an affordable price, FOR POTS, Ma Bell is dead an yet the people bitch. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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said by dg2:said by pnh102:Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market? Isn't that what the USF is for? UNIVERSAL service fund means we all pay extra (and we've certainly been doing that) so the telco can afford to serve "unprofitable" markets. From the looks of this map
»www.universalservice.org/hc/tool···ell.html
most people in Arkansas are served by independent phone companies. In all Verizon areas of NJ we get ZERO USF and pay into it big time. My county pays more then your whole state and you want more? |
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dg2Premium
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Lowell, AR | What's the USF for? No. I'd like to see the USF disbanded entirely. That way no one would have to pay for someone else's phone service. Pnh102's question was "Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market?" My response would be "Because Congress created the USF whereby all telephone subscribers pay the ILECs to serve the unprofitable markets." I was trying to be polite.
For the record, there are large areas of Arkansas served by SBC (ATT now). While it may be true that most of the state's land area is served by independent phone companies, most of the people live in a handful of cities which are inside the green and yellow areas on your map.
I live in one of the green boxes. And there's still been a Stinger box operating at the end of the street for 2 years now. No investment would appear to be required - simply a willingness to offer service. |
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Re: Get the *F* out of the way. Come out from under that rock and get reintroduced to the world. It appears to be evolving without you. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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Re: What's the USF for? said by dg2:I live in one of the green boxes. And there's still been a Stinger box operating at the end of the street for 2 years now. No investment would appear to be required - simply a willingness to offer service. What is the franchise law for CATV? NJ just passed a state wide law and FIOS deploment is improving. |
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 cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium
join:2002-11-22
North Aurora, IL | reply to batterup
Re: Get the *F* out of the way. I kind of wish they would "sit on their ass" but they seem too busy taking their ass to the courts to sue communities that want to impose any type of regulation on a roll out. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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Fort Wayne, IN
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said by batterup:This is not Ma Bell, this is the new at&t...Ma Bell is dead Huh? Ma Bell is very much alive. This video will help explain it (presuming Google doesn't take it down quickly).
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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Re: What's the USF for? said by dg2:No. I'd like to see the USF disbanded entirely. I can see why, you get ZERO from the fund.
»www.universalservice.org/hc/tool···lts.aspx |
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dg2Premium
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Lowell, AR | reply to batterup
According to our municipal folks, CATV is regulated by the Feds only. They already charge a franchise fee for utilities operating within the city limits (CATV and telco both).
I really don't know what the state's franchise laws for CATV are. I probably should, but the laws don't really seem to matter in this discussion - all the companies are pretty much doing whatever they want, and no one seems inclined to regulate them to any great extent.
And, to answer your next post, I oppose the USF on principal. I'd like to think I'd feel the same if I got some benefit from it. Smells like communism at first whiff - then when you find out it's largely unregulated (there do not seem to be any real expectations for the telcos to actually spend this money on services), it sounds like Congress handed the telcos a windfall from the consumers' pockets. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| said by dg2:According to our municipal folks, CATV is regulated by the Feds only. They already charge a franchise fee for utilities operating within the city limits (CATV and telco both). Whoever you talked to gave you incorrect information. CATV is controlled no higher then State level at this time and mostly at the municipal level. Telephone is not subject to franchise fees.
Telephone is over 100 years old and they were the only show in town so a franchise was not necessary. They are covered by a tariff and it is at the state and federal level. TPC is the provider of last resort mandated by federal law. They have to bring POTS to anybody anywhere in there tariff area.
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The Arkansas Public Service Commission regulates telecommunications service providers that include incumbent local telephone carriers, competitive local telephone carriers, long distance companies, and private pay telephone companies. The Commission has authority to regulate the quality of service of all telecommunications providers but has limited authority to regulate rates, terms, and conditions of services. The limitations are in accordance with Arkansas Code Annotated Section 23-17-400 et seq. that recognizes the desire to have competitive forces control rates, terms, and conditions of services.
»www.arkansas.gov/psc/telecom.htm |
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bigjimc
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Middleboro, MA | reply to pnh102
Re: Get the *F* out of the way. Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market?
Well I will say it. It is my town. It is my roads. I pay taxes and if you want to put anything in my right of way then you have to live by my rules. If you don't like. Leave.
If any company would like a statewide franchise, go for it. But you have to provide service to 95% of the residents in every city/town in the state within three years. Don't like those rules. Leave. |
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bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
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hiatus | reply to batterup
said by batterup:This is why US has fallen from 1st to 16th in communication, political hogs slopping at the trough. No... America fell to 16th because of poor management and a focus on short term profitability instead of long term investment. Only now have the telcos started to commit capital to long term investment and capital improvement.
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said by pnh102:service. Why is it OK to compel any business to serve an unprofitable market? so in your view, there should only be competition for a few? The telcos loudly tout they need these franchises (or relief from franchises) for "competition" and to "have a level playing field". However, the cablecos are required to serve the whole franchise area, not just those areas they consider most profitable; the telcos shouldn't be held to the same requirement?
or are you saying there should be no requirements on anyone, that anyone can use public rights of way without any bounds or regulation?
sounds like you believe if we completely unfetter the telcos, the U.S. will rocket right back up to #1 status in the world for broadband. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to bigjimc
said by bigjimc:It is my town. It is my roads. I pay taxes and if you want to put anything in my right of way then you have to live by my rules. If you don't like. Leave. And if a business sets up shop in your town they pay taxes and such as well. They have just as much a say in how the town is run as you do.
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