 | let's say they block IPTV Let's say they block IPTV. AT&T can still deploy large RT's and X-boxes wherever right-of-way laws allow. So as far as aesthetics, the objections are pointless. |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| said by bogey780:Let's say they block IPTV. AT&T can still deploy large RT's and X-boxes wherever right-of-way laws allow. So as far as aesthetics, the objections are pointless. The locals don't have any say about improvements to the network. A utility has tariff protection when it comes to improving the network. at&t and Verizon can run all of the new cable they want, the locals only have a say if they want to supply CATV. at&t has a good point, M$, YouTube and many, many more are supplying IPTV at this very second. None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. |
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 cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium join:2002-11-22 North Aurora, IL | said by batterup:said by bogey780:Let's say they block IPTV. AT&T can still deploy large RT's and X-boxes wherever right-of-way laws allow. So as far as aesthetics, the objections are pointless. The locals don't have any say about improvements to the network. A utility has tariff protection when it comes to improving the network. at&t and Verizon can run all of the new cable they want, the locals only have a say if they want to supply CATV. at&t has a good point, M$, YouTube and many, many more are supplying IPTV at this very second. None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. The locals in the case of Geneva, IL. have all the say in improvements to the network as they own the ROW. |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| said by cbrigante2: The locals in the case of Geneva, IL. have all the say in improvements to the network as they own the ROW. No they don't, I'm not going to look up the tariff. All right of ways don't belong to the local government, some are along county, state and federal roads. If a cable has to be replaced the telephone company doesn't have to build a swimming pool for the mayor. If roads must be blocked they have to set up a time to do the work but the town can't stop them. If I'm wrong you post the law. |
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 RayWPremium join:2001-09-01 Layton, UT kudos:1 | reply to batterup said by batterup: None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. Neither does AT&T, but when you try to force them (AT&T) to put service out to the poor, minority, and depressed areas as well as the richer areas they get upset. But then what do (insert favorite bashed minority) need with decent service? -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| said by RayW:said by batterup: None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. Neither does AT&T, but when you try to force them (AT&T) to put service out to the poor, minority, and depressed areas as well as the richer areas they get upset. But then what do (insert favorite bashed minority) need with decent service? quote: The order would also make it harder for localities to impose "unreasonable" requirements. In one case, the FCC says, a video provider was asked to build a recreation center and swimming pool. In another, a video applicant was asked to fork over $1 million and fund a $50,000 scholarship with annual contributions.
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 en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | reply to batterup Do any of them compete directly with Cable or Satellite TV ? I.e. do they connect directly (through a set top box) to your TV and is sold as programming similar to Cable/Satellite ? While I don't believe in the 'build the mayor a swimming pool' style of buildout, I do think that if they're offering the same service as cable, using the same ROW as cable to deliver it, then they should pay the same franchise fees for it as cable, or have franchise fees abolished altogether.
1. Cable doesn't get to cherry pick neighborhoods as telco/IPTV is. 2. Cable has to pay franchise fees if they want to do business in that particular municipality wether they like it or not. Telco/IPTV currently does not. Both are essentially the same product - digital tv.
I could personally care less about the franchise fees (that's why I have DirecTv). What does concern me is that telco will cherry pick neighborhoods within a community, and if I had cable, I'd be still paying franchise fees. |
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 cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium join:2002-11-22 North Aurora, IL | reply to batterup said by batterup:said by cbrigante2: The locals in the case of Geneva, IL. have all the say in improvements to the network as they own the ROW. No they don't, I'm not going to look up the tariff. All right of ways don't belong to the local government, some are along county, state and federal roads. If a cable has to be replaced the telephone company doesn't have to build a swimming pool for the mayor. If roads must be blocked they have to set up a time to do the work but the town can't stop them. If I'm wrong you post the law. Perhaps I'm wrong, but could you tell me where this article is wrong?
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| reply to en102 said by en102:Cable doesn't get to cherry pick neighborhoods as telco/IPTV is Sure they do. They can chose not to build in an area or most likely negotiate a franchise agreement that they can live with.
Big dollar signs didn't flash in local politician's eyes until they heard at&t/Verizon. |
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 jslikThat just happenedPremium join:2006-03-17 | reply to batterup That 'example' is yet another urban legend. Notice the FCC could not/would not provide specific names or dates.
»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16256478/pr···1098/UTH
"In one speech, Martin claimed a community asked a new cable competitor for a new recreation center and swimming pool as part of the deal for a cable franchise. He provided no specifics, but it appears the example was pulled from a filing submitted by AT&T. The example involved Ameritech New Media, which was seeking a franchise in Parma, Ohio, in 1999.
Parma spokesman Powell W. Caesar III disputed the claim. The only thing Parma asked of Ameritech was that they follow our franchise rules, he said. Pure and simple."
So you have the FCC taking comments directly from telcos with no verification or confirmation. What's the point of having a FCC if all they do is take industry's word on everything? |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| reply to cbrigante2 This law will apply to all not just at&t. quote: AT&T has launched a bill at the State House level to remove local franchise control from municipalities (a power Geneva currently holds) and instead give power over Genevas Rights of Way directly to the State of Illinois.
As I stated the town only has control over providing TV over the cable not a telephone companies right to maintain the outside plant. Those tariffs go back 100 years. As I said if anyone can post a Illinois tariff showing I am wrong please do.
at&t can run all of the cable they need, they just can't transport bits that are TV. M$ and YouTube can but the company that built it can't. What is going to happen is at&t will sit and do nothing wile they and governments spend the money on lawyers. |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| reply to jslik said by jslik:Parma spokesman Powell W. Caesar III disputed the claim. The only thing Parma asked of Ameritech was that they follow our franchise rules, he said. Pure and simple." And did those *franchise rules* stipulate a swimming pool? I don't care, NJ has a state franchise law and Verizon is running FIOS all over Netcong. I see the light, will the rest of the country?
This might not look like much to many but it is beautiful in to eyes. »Re: Netcong New Jersey being wired. |
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 jslikThat just happenedPremium join:2006-03-17 | I don't see how anybody's franchise rules would stipulate swimming pools. You would think that the incumbent provider would have complained long before AT&T showed up.
In any case, the point is that no confirmation of this story ever took place. Even if true, one seven year old example out of the thousands of localities hardly makes a justification to remove them out of the process.
I have less of an issue with statewide franchising than federal; there are better/worse statewide schemes out there, so we'll see when the dust settles.
I find it interesting that fellow conservatives are all for federalism up to the point where the telcos are involved.
"Together, after 50 years of taking power away from the hands of the people in their states and local communities we have started returning power and resources to them.
Some will also say our states and local communities are not up to the challenge of a new and creative partnership. Well, that might have been true 20 years ago.
It's no longer true today. This Administration has faith in state and local governments and the constitutional balance envisioned by the Founding Fathers."
-Ronald Reagan
"...Government closest to the people is more responsive and accountable."
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| said by jslik: This Administration has faith in state and local governments and the constitutional balance envisioned by the Founding Fathers." A man that was in the most important position to make laws governing the interweb knows *the internet is not something you just dump something on. Its not a truck. Its a series of tubes.* The average politician doesn't even know that. They only know pork; May god have mercy on us all. |
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 RayWPremium join:2001-09-01 Layton, UT kudos:1 | reply to batterup said by batterup:said by RayW:said by batterup: None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. Neither does AT&T, but when you try to force them (AT&T) to put service out to the poor, minority, and depressed areas as well as the richer areas they get upset. But then what do (insert favorite bashed minority) need with decent service? quote: The order would also make it harder for localities to impose "unreasonable" requirements. In one case, the FCC says, a video provider was asked to build a recreation center and swimming pool. In another, a video applicant was asked to fork over $1 million and fund a $50,000 scholarship with annual contributions.
That sounds excessive. But if it is true, it was not for the mayor, it was for the community. A *slight* difference from what you said.
Also, can you give links to that or is it only common 'knowledge' among the industry people to be spread out to confuse the issue? Knowing the FCC, the industry probably said it, they printed it and then had to retract it when no proof was forth coming from the industry. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. |
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 bigjimc join:2003-04-21 Middleboro, MA | reply to batterup Unreasonable is a pool and scholarship fund.
Reasonable would be providing service to 95% of all residents within three years and 100% service within 5 years.
But. In my town Comcast provides cable access channels and produces the weekly selectmen's meetings and town meetings. They provide data service to the community and other things at no charge to the community for the rights to use our rights of way. Asking Verizon to do the same should not be unreasonable. |
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| said by bigjimc: . In my town Comcast provides.............. Asking Verizon to do the same should not be unreasonable. In New Jersey it is. Did you see my pictures of FIOS being run in Netcong? They are sweet. |
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 batageekSlave To The DuopolyPremium join:2003-01-25 | reply to batterup if these are "telecommunication services", then they're subject to USF taxes and the like....and they certainly don't need to be pushing statewide franchising for "video services" if all they're offering is "telecommunications services". -- »www.tricitybroadband.com |
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 marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 | reply to batterup said by batterup:said by RayW:said by batterup: None of them have to build the mayor a swimming pool. Neither does AT&T, but when you try to force them (AT&T) to put service out to the poor, minority, and depressed areas as well as the richer areas they get upset. But then what do (insert favorite bashed minority) need with decent service? quote: The order would also make it harder for localities to impose "unreasonable" requirements. In one case, the FCC says, a video provider was asked to build a recreation center and swimming pool. In another, a video applicant was asked to fork over $1 million and fund a $50,000 scholarship with annual contributions.
And in the fine print, the FCC noted that none of the stories were ever corraborated by the incumbents who claimed them. They even noted that of the 20 some incidents, five of them had been confirmed as fabrications by the cable companies involved. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher |
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 marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 | reply to batterup said by batterup:Did you see my pictures of FIOS being run in Netcong? They are sweet. Is it available right now in Netcong? |
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