 Al Smith
join:2005-06-09 | reply to CableTool Re: Goodbye analog. ALMOST! ( chicago)
It's smart for Comcast to do what they're doing. In most major cities, illegal cable hookups can run upwards to 60% penetration. Going to digital, will help to alleviate the problem. |
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  Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| reply to CableTool Comcast called last week (both at home and at work) offering free digital cable for 1 year. Just have to keep paying our analog fee and they'll throw in digital cable for free. -- YourIP.US - It's Your IP .. and more! rr.cx - Personal Site.. coming soon. |
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  cypherstream Looking forward to the future of things. Premium,MVM join:2004-12-02 Reading, PA clubs:
| reply to CableTool I can see this being a problem for Hotel's, Schools, Hospitals, etc... A big building with 100's of TV's cannot afford or manage a set top box at every set. I was just at the Hospital yesterday and they have these flat panel personal TV's on an arm that you can move over the bed. They are getting 60 some cable channels, and there's at least 15 more Hospital modulated channels. If patients can only get the first 20 channels, that is going to really suck! Hopefully that digital to analog device becomes a reality soon enough to help the commercial, education, and healthcare markets. |
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  CableTool Poorly Representing MYSELF. Premium join:2004-11-12 | They can modulate all the channels so the rooms will not need to have a box. |
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 FanaticGamer
join:2006-10-16 Jacksonville, FL | reply to Al Smith Al, your absolutely right. There's a complex here in Jacksonville with almost 400 apartments, 15 customers. No Sat Dishes anywhere.... We almost want to make it Not Servicable. The entire Complex has been Rebuilt TWICE. in 5 years. -FG |
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 madrhino
join:2004-07-03
·Verizon FIOS
4 edits | reply to CableTool I was forced to switch to a DCT-700 last week because my dad wants HBO and some dumbass country station.I still have analog service but those channels are no longer on the digital simulcast or whatever they had that worked. Now I get pixilated garbage and dropped audio. Comcast in their divine benevolence has deigned to schedule a tech to come by in only 2 more days. Of course having had to deal with Comcast for years I know the odds of him actually showing up are 40%(based on factual experience). So horse and buggy comments aside-if it ain't broke ,don't fix it.Of course that is only practical advice when so much money being fought over by so many people isn't the case.What a stupid mess.
edit-Looks like I had it wrong.They WENT to simulcast.I thought they got rid of it.I dunno,I just know it worked(surprisingly well) for over 20 years through several differnet companies until Comcast got ahold of it and broke it.Luckily I can use the rabbit ears to watch the 2007 NCAA championship(at least this year) -- Get Verizon FIOS,The Anti-DIOS |
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  CRP Comcast of Ocean County
join:2005-12-26 Brick, NJ
·Comcast
| Found this article online from the Chicago Tribune, which talks about the removal of Expanded Basic from the analog lineup in Chicago.
»www.chicagotribune.com/business/···ness-hed |
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  cypherstream Looking forward to the future of things. Premium,MVM join:2004-12-02 Reading, PA clubs:
| reply to CableTool I was quite surprised that they are removing all of expanded basic in one fell swoop. I would of thought maybe they would remove a block of say 10 channels every 2 or 3 months and ease the transition. Even if they removed 10 channels, that free's up plenty of bandwidth for the next 3 months. Then in 3 months when that extra bandwidth is used, they can eliminate the next block of 10 channels.
Well no big deal, just kinda took me by surprise. I wouldn't mind if they did this in all area's because I understand the importance of bandwidth. Sure they could upgrade to 1GHz, or go with proprietary solutions like vyyo's 3GHz overlay, but that costs more money which would just be transferred down to our monthly bills. Who needs all that analog anyway, it's entirely too inefficient. |
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 Georgiaboy
join:2005-06-25 Savannah, GA
·Comcast
| said by cypherstream :I was quite surprised that they are removing all of expanded basic in one fell swoop. I would of thought maybe they would remove a block of say 10 channels every 2 or 3 months and ease the transition. Even if they removed 10 channels, that free's up plenty of bandwidth for the next 3 months. Then in 3 months when that extra bandwidth is used, they can eliminate the next block of 10 channels. Well no big deal, just kinda took me by surprise. I wouldn't mind if they did this in all area's because I understand the importance of bandwidth. Sure they could upgrade to 1GHz, or go with proprietary solutions like vyyo's 3GHz overlay, but that costs more money which would just be transferred down to our monthly bills. Who needs all that analog anyway, it's entirely too inefficient. Down here, I think Augusta, Ga is doing the same. The website for that area no longer has an expanded basic option. It's not even an option when scanning the line-up, so maybe Chicago isn't the only one that is doing this.
As for the situation as a whole, I think it may relieve pain on expanded basic analog subscribers if Comcast made the first "2"(vs. 1) free because if more markets were to do something similar, you'll have plenty of customers paying 7 dollars for each additional room, which would make their prices less competitive(to say DTV/Dish) since Comcast's prices are already higher in many aspects. This just adds another price advantage for them, since they charge 5 for each receiver vs. Comcast's 7 in many areas.(areas only charging 5 may be OK).
Also, won't customers eventually be able to purchase their boxes due "removable security"(I think, someone please correct) me? If this is the case, would Comcast still charge the same price for additional receivers if one was to buy one.
(I honestly think my take is wrong on this issue anyway, but as I said, please correct me) |
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  cypherstream Looking forward to the future of things. Premium,MVM join:2004-12-02 Reading, PA clubs:
| Yeah I thought that removable security was so that box manufacturers can compete and any brand be purchased by a consumer. Then no matter what encryption scheme, the Cable Co can insert that type of card (SA, Motorola, NDS, etc..) and download it's OCAP guide to the box.
I thought those DCT-700's and other cheap/small SD boxes were supposed to be able to be purchasable just like a cable modem. Hey why is it that you can buy a cable modem but not a cable box? Perhaps a combination of OCAP and removable security will change that.
Even if you own a box, you'll still have to pay a monthly fee for that outlet. Probably whatever the cable card fee is, since that's the piece your renting. |
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 Georgiaboy
join:2005-06-25 Savannah, GA
·Comcast
| reply to CableTool said by CableTool :They can modulate all the channels so the rooms will not need to have a box. If analog is eliminated, is it possible for a cable company the compression of the standard digital channels. Certainly it's the last thing on a cable company's mind, but I just want to know if it is possible |
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 Georgiaboy
join:2005-06-25 Savannah, GA
·Comcast
| reply to cypherstream said by cypherstream :Yeah I thought that removable security was so that box manufacturers can compete and any brand be purchased by a consumer. Then no matter what encryption scheme, the Cable Co can insert that type of card (SA, Motorola, NDS, etc..) and download it's OCAP guide to the box. I thought those DCT-700's and other cheap/small SD boxes were supposed to be able to be purchasable just like a cable modem. Hey why is it that you can buy a cable modem but not a cable box? Perhaps a combination of OCAP and removable security will change that. Even if you own a box, you'll still have to pay a monthly fee for that outlet. Probably whatever the cable card fee is, since that's the piece your renting. If we were able to, the problem with buying boxes that are different brand than the one serving our area is the fact that the area must be OCAP capable, and most won't. Comcast would have to significantly speed up the OCAP rollout for such a thing to happen and I don't see that happening. They are probably still completing or working on select markets; Unless someone knows otherwise . |
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 patspub
join:2005-02-10 Philadelphia, PA | reply to CableTool Is anyone in the city of Philadelphia still using "Anolog Boxes"??? |
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 jwhite4
join:2002-03-21 Philadelphia, PA
| I am. Actually I was planning on bringing my last analog box in for exchange to digital this weekend. The generally-better digital picture is a plus, but losing stereo on the RF output is a pain. I'm in the processing of getting RCA splitters and A/V switch boxes for my systems.
Jef |
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  cypherstream Looking forward to the future of things. Premium,MVM join:2004-12-02 Reading, PA clubs:
| Did your area's analog boxes have any on screen elements to them? We used to use Scientific Atlanta 8610X boxes. They had a really simple on screen guide, messages, program descriptions and channel names. Funny thing was the volume control had a little area that said "BEST Stereo".
One nice thing about those analog boxes, like you said, they pass stereo over the RF out. Here we are in 2007 and digital boxes still don't do this. I know I know, that issue has been hashed out so many times before, but if a simple Sirius/XM or ipod radio adapter can send stereo to a car radio, why not use this technology and just modulate the RF output on Ch 6 or something. |
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 patspub
join:2005-02-10 Philadelphia, PA
| reply to CableTool I just checked to see if can receive anolog channels directly thru the back of my TV and to my surprise I am receiving all of them. I even saw the sroll on the "HBO" and "Showtime" channels saying these channels will no longer be available. What's going on in Philly??? |
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  CableTool Poorly Representing MYSELF. Premium join:2004-11-12
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chicagotribune.com >> Technology Comcast near finish of digital upgrade
By Eric Benderoff Tribune staff reporter Published April 6, 2007
Comcast Corp. is in the final stages of a $400 million, four-year upgrade of its digital cable network in the Chicago area, a move that will end the cable company's delivery of analog signals to city customers by July.
After it completes the city work, Comcast will begin suburban upgrades, said Eric Schaefer, vice president of business development. That work should be completed by the end of 2008, he said.
Completion of the upgrade means all Comcast customers that have basic service will need to exchange their analog set-top boxes for digital set-top boxes. The cable company will not charge an additional fee or raise rates for current analog customers, Schaefer said.
"The vast majority of our Chicago customers already have digital service, but for the customers with basic service, they will get a new box," he said.
The rollout to all-digital begins in Chicago next week. Customers in neighborhoods that first undergo the upgrade now are being notified they need a digital box. The boxes can be picked up at a Comcast office or mailed to customers if requested.
Comcast is completing the digital upgrade to coincide with a February 2009 federal deadline that requires all broadcasters to send signals in a digital format.
Ultimately, by removing the larger analog signals from its network, Comcast will free up more space in its cables for the more efficient digital signals. That means it will be able to increase programming choices, Schaefer said.
Comcast will offer two additional high-definition channels in the coming months, he said, increasing the total to 18 HD channels. But, he added, the upgrade creates space for as many as 120 HD channels.
For high-speed Internet customers, the upgrade also should bring faster data speeds.
-- CableFAQ.org/Technicians Unplugged
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  cypherstream Looking forward to the future of things. Premium,MVM join:2004-12-02 Reading, PA clubs:
| So this costs 400 million to take out the analog headend? What are they getting paid, $200,000 an hour? The digital is already in place right? So wouldn't you just have to physically remove the analog modulators and replace them with digital qam's as needed? |
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 scanpa Premium join:2006-09-06 Lebanon, PA | it's not that simple. It is also Hard Work. lots of cable trunks, harneses. cable wraps & ties., man hours. |
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  cypherstream Looking forward to the future of things. Premium,MVM join:2004-12-02 Reading, PA clubs:
| Well hopefully they can sell a lot of that old analog gear and recoup a little cash back. There may be other systems who would buy it, or how about the hospitals, schools and hotels who now need to modulate analog channels.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for this. We need all the bandwidth we can get! |
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