Topic 'Sounds Good to Me' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Sounds-Good-to-Me-18050501 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:57:03 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:57:03 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18077008 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18077008 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:12:31 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18076085 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18076085 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:04:14 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18066788 said by openbox9:

said by Ahrenl:

There are 30,000 people in my town, should we drive down to Gilette stadium for every selectman's meeting/town meeting/school committee meeting/finance board meeting/zoning board meeting/conservation board meeting/DPW meeting etc.?
Until you show me that all 30K people are actually interested in attending such meetings, your point is null, IMO.
In that case, I could care less about your opinion. It is arbitrarily null, for the same ridiculous reason. :P

We had so many people show up at a town meeting 6 months ago that we had to setup TWO overflow areas, linking them by cell phones. When both these auditoriums, and the main auditorium were packed full, people, invariably turned themselves away. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18066788 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:41:47 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18063363
haha i laugh at your big brother comment. If anyone wants to have a big brother state, it's your lovely, patriotic hero George W. Bush. It's the media (TV, radio, ink) that wants to control us and the way we think. Looks like they already have a foothold on your soul...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18063363 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:43:52 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18062984 said by Octopussy2:

Again, name the specific town and proof.
You have no standing to do anything concerning this issue so why would I waste my time?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18062984 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:20:15 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18059523 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18059523 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 02:09:12 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18059155 said by Octopussy2:

So, that would be a "no" about a specific town?
Is having to building a swimming pool unreasonable? Is setting up a permanent $50,000.000.00 a year scholarship to be doled out by the local hogs unreasonable?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18059155 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:04:53 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18059142 said by fiberguy:

no... but your post was really way off course.. and stupid.
Thank you. You are the undisputed master of stupid. How long ago did The Telephone Company show you the door?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18059142 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:02:17 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18055804 said by marcos04:

It's completely acceptable for local municipalities to request non-commercial channels and access facilities, iNets for municipal and emergency services, and fee set-asides to manage and maintain public right of ways.
In your opinion. In my opinion, it is a tax on the people because they will pay for these amenities in higher prices. It is just a sneaky way for local pols to tax their constituents while blaming someone else for the higher cable costs.
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The FCC quoted telco testimony about a Florida municipality making similar demands in their December 20th Ruling on video franchising. Representatives of the Florida municipality claimed in the press that the story was entirely a fabrication.

But . . . AT&T did donate 1 million to a community center in Illinois. But this was a personal project of Congressman Bobby Rush. In exchange Rush signed on as a co-sponsor of the Barton-COPE Bill in the House. Not exactly a city extorting a corporation - more like a corporation buying political patronage.

Cable TV is a hugely profitable industry. In NYC alone, Time Warner posts over 1.3 billion in gross revenue. It's completely acceptable for local municipalities to request non-commercial channels and access facilities, iNets for municipal and emergency services, and fee set-asides to manage and maintain public right of ways. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18055772 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:38:58 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18055549 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18055549 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:45:33 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054929 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054929 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 05:11:35 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054753 said by Octopussy2:

Do you know of such a town that has made such unreasonable demands?
In NJ there are 328 towns, it is an unreasonable demand to burden a network provider with having to feed pork to 328 hogs. The pork has been set by the state and applies to all.

Really, I don't care. FIOS is being run in Netcong, batterup will soon ride the light. batterup's 85 year old father is at this point in time riding the light. You people can kiss a leach and stay on dial-up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054753 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:43:28 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054745 said by fiberguy:

those damn homosexuals.. they're ruining the world!!! It's all the fault of the homosexual! :uhh:

Don't be a dick!
So if you read homosexual you think of dick. Don't get me wrong, its OK to be gay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054745 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:37:21 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054324 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054324 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:52:52 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054211 said by batterup:

said by DaveDude:

Just for the record that was put in place by a Homosexual, Democratic Governing.
.. those damn homosexuals.. they're ruining the world!!! It's all the fault of the homosexual! :uhh:

Don't be a dick!
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Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.
I hate to tell you part of your flaw.. but, um, you know those living, breathing things you talk about? They too own businesses and are part of those corrupt corporations. What YOU are being is an extremest.. you're so far one sided that you forget that we the people own those businesses.

All I'm telling you is not to forget that.. I know that corporations are corrupting government, more so - the parties, but we're all in the same society. Don't empower business and corporations with the notion they are in some different league.

It's the person that is greedy, not the corporation or business... after all, we are all in this world for ourselves.. not the greater good.
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Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.
Sounds like more whining from the communist pinkos on the left that want America to live in a Big Brother state! When I saw that Hilary 1984 the zombies sitting in the crowd remind me exactly of communist liberals; mindless and stupid.

Like I have said before, anybody who thinks like a communist liberal is a complete mentally retarded moron that is incapable of rational thought. When I see a liberal, I see someone in the special ed class that does nothing but drool, cry, shit and piss themselves. Communist Liberalism is basically an admission of inferiority, a class of sub-human retards that is as annoying as that crap that grows in your eye lashes when you wake up in the morning. That is also why the communist left supports Islamic terrorism. When communists see Muslims they see the same characteristics as themselves; Evil, oppressive, mindless little monsters! The only good communist is a dead one!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18054123 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:54:12 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053300 said by karlmarx:

Forced is exactly the word you should use. Remember, the cable/telco's are using PUBLIC LAND, to run their wires. It's in the publics BEST INTEREST to force them to provide universal service.


The phone company doesn’t' need a towns permission to maintain the cables. The town comes into play only with granting permission to deliver TV over the wires.

This place has been lied to by the likes of Teletruth for so long and hard the facts are buried beneath massive mountains of B.S.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053300 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:27:54 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053277 said by Octopussy2:

The system isn't broken here, and Verizon is deploying fiber and providing video after entering into local franchise agreements. Verizon is deploying but also lobbying for state franchise law. New Jersey now has a state franchise law and FIOS is now being run in Netcong.

All it would take to throw a monkey wrench in a FIOS deployment would to have one town to make unreasonable demands. FIOS is deployed by Central Office not towns.

FIOS is expensive to deploy, and feeding pork to every two bit hustling hog makes it much more so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053277 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:22:36 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053237 said by DaveDude:

Because you are incapable of reading 3 or 4 sentences, if you re-read what i wrote. Why do liberals do it so much, if its not in there ideology ? Liberals today seem to be using it over and over. So without a academic answer. Why are liberals being facist ? Its supposed to not be liberal ?
I'll be honest I did not read most of this thread but a definition is in order.

Fascism is when government and business work hand in glove. An example is the New Jersey automobile insurance laws. We are forced to buy high price insurance with all of the bells and whistles buy the government. This money goes to a business that makes huge profits on the money the government foresees to pay. That is fascism.

Just for the record that was put in place by a Homosexual, Democratic Governing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053237 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:14:29 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053232 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18053232 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:14:02 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052755 said by Octopussy2:

ability to redline customers they don't deem worthy of their "competitive" service./Flame retardant suit engaged....
That's the part I don't have a problem with per se. If the ROI isn't there, don't force the providers' hands into a money losing situation that costs other customers extra money to make up for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052755 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:47:05 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052534 said by openbox9:

I assume your talking about apartment/office complexes and not necessarily private residences?
Applies to private residences too, but the private residences do not have to allow anything beyond the walls of the building and the cable company has to make reasonable modifications to their building plans.
Basically, the property has to be wired and the cable company can place a pedastal on the property for service.
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the city does pay indirectly for limited basic cable service for those who cannot afford it.Do they buy the TV that goes along with it? If someone is really that poor, I would think that CATV access is the least of their worries. Where does the socialistic mindset end?
said by marigolds:

All new building construction in a franchised city is required to give access to dwellings for cable television service.
I assume your talking about apartment/office complexes and not necessarily private residences?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052438 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:38:49 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052402 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052402 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:33:06 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052331 said by Ahrenl:

There are 30,000 people in my town, should we drive down to Gilette stadium for every selectman's meeting/town meeting/school committee meeting/finance board meeting/zoning board meeting/conservation board meeting/DPW meeting etc.?Until you show me that all 30K people are actually interested in attending such meetings, your point is null, IMO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052331 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:18:31 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052283 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052283 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:11:06 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052243 said by openbox9:

Not that it's relative, but you're right, I'm not a hardcore conservative...I never claimed to be ;) And no, there are plenty of good laws that benefit more than just the "megacorps". I do believe government should act in the best interest of all of its citizens...both corporate and otherwise. There is a comfortable middle ground, it just needs to be found.
There is no middle ground with the corporate state.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18052243 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:02:18 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051624 said by Ahrenl:

Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart.. :D

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Actually they are not. The most well known fascist society was NAZI Germany.

National Socialist German Workers' Party
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fascism contains elements of both "left and right ideology"
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The difference between fascism and socialism is a fine point in practice. In intent they may differ, but in practice both tend toward consolidation of political power. Socialism typically favors central ownership to a greater degree (in the extreme of communism, all appreciable property is centralized) while fascism emphasizes state control over exchanges more than state control over property itself. With different emphasis, both are based on forced intervention with the individual human acts of creation and voluntary exchange, making creation and exchange involuntary.

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said by DaveDude:

said by GetItRightDude :

Fascism isn't a liberal idea... Its a convervative, right wing ideology. Nice try though.
Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie
Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology.
Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart.. :D

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Because you are incapable of reading 3 or 4 sentences, if you re-read what i wrote. Why do liberals do it so much, if its not in there ideology ? Liberals today seem to be using it over and over. So without a academic answer. Why are liberals being facist ? Its supposed to not be liberal ?
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My point is that is where the business' obligation to the community should end. Businesses lease access to the ROW and then provide services as they deem appropriate.
I understand, and that's certainly a point worth arguing. My position is that providing those community communication enhancements above ROW lease/fees benefits everybody, including the provider.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051534 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:42:24 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051506 said by openbox9:

I'll grant you that 'forced' might not have been the best word choice. I'm all for following local codes and requirements. Every person and business should do so. I don't think that businesses should be required to serve every residence just for the opportunity to "open up shop" in a community. Should a cellular phone company be required to stand up a new transceiver closer to my house if my half of the city isn't covered just so the cellular provider has the opportunity to maintain their other transceivers?

I like the concept of a neutral infrastructure with a reselling capability. I don't think it will ever happen on a large scale though :(
If they want to build the towers on Public property, they should have the expectation that one of their covenants for use of the space is to serve the entire community that owns said space. If you're not providing service to me, then you're misappropriating my share of the public space granted to me as a residence of the township.

Another reason for the need of public access is the physical impracticality of every citizen attending ANY local government function. There are 30,000 people in my town, should we drive down to Gilette stadium for every selectman's meeting/town meeting/school committee meeting/finance board meeting/zoning board meeting/conservation board meeting/DPW meeting etc.? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051506 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:36:22 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051468 said by DaveDude:

said by GetItRightDude :

Fascism isn't a liberal idea... Its a convervative, right wing ideology. Nice try though.
Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie
Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology.
Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart.. :D

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Ok, then my community should pay for me to have CATV?I am not certain for Florida, but for Oregon and Iowa, the city does pay indirectly for limited basic cable service for those who cannot afford it. Limited basic is just emergency alerts plus access channels (and sometimes broadcast affiliates, it varies by city). Low income residents get limited basic for free, seniors get it for a reduced cost. The city makes this up to the cable company through reduced franchise fees (the cable company gets to deducted the discounted or free service from their gross revenue used to calculate the franchise fee).

This actually brings up another component to this. All new building construction in a franchised city is required to give access to dwellings for cable television service. A homeowner cannot say "sorry, I'm not going to subscribe to cable, so I don't want you to run wires to my residence". They must give every television franchiser access to building to run service even if they are not subscribing.
The reasoning behind this is to ensure that every new resident (especially renters) of the city can have access to the essential community components of basic cable, the emergency alerts and the access channels. In many cities, rental permits carry a condition of access to cable television or reasonable substitute (like an aerial capable of picking up a minimum number of emergency alert carrying stations) for this reason (even if the rental unit is not in a mandatory buildout area).
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Fascism isn't a liberal idea... Its a convervative, right wing ideology. Nice try though.
Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie
Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051345 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:08:58 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051336 said by karlmarx:

If they want the RIGHT (notice, it's a RIGHT, and a PRIVILEGE) to provide service, then we, the people, set the conditions they must meet before we allow them to do so.I'll tag along with this comment. If consumers want the RIGHT (it is most definitely a privilege) to purchase my service, then businesses set the conditions to be met before providing service. Mainly, pay them what it costs to enable a sufficient ROI for all customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051336 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:06:40 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051271 said by marigolds:

Care to provide proof for that? AT&T was unable to provide proof when Congress asked them to and retracted their statements.Unfortunately, I don't have the time to research right now. I've sadly based my comments on what I've read on this forum...I know that's dangerous.
said by marigolds:

The state level franchises are about more than "optional services". Basic cable is one of the two primary routes for the emergency alert services.
Ok, then my community should pay for me to have CATV? I'm not sure I'm following your logic of "optional services". To me, optional is that I choose to pay for CATV and it's not "necessity" like water, electrical, PSTN service, etc. (some of which I disagree with btw).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051271 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:54:37 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18050984 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18050984 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:53:37 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051214 all of its citizens...both corporate and otherwise. There is a comfortable middle ground, it just needs to be found.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051214 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:46:22 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051185 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051185 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:42:15 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051184
Look at it this way. If we left it to the megacorps, most farms and rural houses wouldn't even have electricity. The cost to run poles and wires to a farmhouse FAR outweigh any return they provide, but without electricity, we wouldn't have many farmers now, would we. It's the same with telephones, cable tv, and cell phone service. If they want the RIGHT (notice, it's a RIGHT, and a PRIVILEGE) to provide service, then we, the people, set the conditions they must meet before we allow them to do so. It's called democracy, where the greater public good out weights the rights of the megacorps.
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I like the concept of a neutral infrastructure with a reselling capability. I don't think it will ever happen on a large scale though :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051144 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:34:44 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051087 said by openbox9:

I won't dispute the need for local government to take care of the people,but I will argue the ability of local government to extort corporate entities beyond standard corporate taxation. Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?
Requiring build-out, access channels, or I-Nets isn't extortion. All those requirements are specifically allowed under federal law, which the telcos/cable folks have signed off on several times in the past. The telcos lack of foresight regarding the marketplace shouldn't be blamed on local government.

McDonald's isn't locating their facilities on public land, so they don't have to pay rent to the city, which the franchise fee truly is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051087 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:23:57 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051086 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051086 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:23:52 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051048 said by openbox9:

Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?Because the McDonald's franchises are built on private property, unlike the CATV and phone providers.
That would also be why satellite television is not required to pay local governments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051048 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:19:01 EDT Re: Sounds Good to Me http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051034 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sounds-Good-to-Me-18051034 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:15:17 EDT