http://www.dslreports.com/forum/How-about-acanac-18050957 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:15:07 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:15:07 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18486943 I had to read your satellite internet thing twice ... You've already posted this ambiguous question elsewhere.

I presume you mean "satellites of US providers" as opposed to Direct Broadcast Satellite. The latter is only for those who cannot do anything else and is a pathetic excuse for broadband.

Given that US concerns cannot own a majority control in Canadian telecomms carriers, and that the three US carriers who had any stake in the Canadian market (even if by licensing their name), Sprint, AT&T and XO have all pulled out and that no other US carrier has found it worthwhile to attempt to enter the Canadian market (given that the major cost is in the last mile infrastructure which is controlled by the ilecs and cable operators), and overbuilding is rare in the US - so there's no interest in doing it here and having to deal with Canadian bureaucracy ... it seems most unlikely that this will happen within our lifetime.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18486943 Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:55:22 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18486832 said by bohn:

What year will satellite internet from America be less than $20.50 canadian a month. Gee, i wonder if the whole Canadian broadband market will collapse?
Some changes are going to be needed in the industry to make this more manageable across the country but it won't be for some time to come. There's a huge restructuring movement at the Federal Level that could either affect us all very positively or very poorly. (CRTC/Competition Tribunal/Telecom Policy Review)

The Telecom Policy Review, which will impact the market place very heavily was made up of a group of three market leaders in the Telecom world. The problem in the same breath with this is the first was a lawyer who had Bell and others on their client list. The second was bought out by both Bell and Rogers (inukshuk) and the third was part of the Microsoft Management for the strategic alliance initiative between Microsoft and Bell.

Now, this isn't to dismiss the value of this board as I'm sure it was difficult to assemble any significant group that wasn't touched in some way shape or form by the likes of Bell... So, so long as this group of three pushes for positive Market shaping and not agenda driven strategies, we should have some of their Review work out as there are a few things in there that seem to make market sense.

Unfortunately, only the future holds the answers to the what will be for Canadian broadband market.

Rocky
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Make noise. Someone will listen. Just be polite about it, but firm.

My advice at least.

//Oh, and never, ever make threats of any sort. It's childish and won't get anyone, anywhere. Always state facts and promises. Sounds simple, but sometimes people get carried away in the heat of the moment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18477017 Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:25:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18473415 Initially I was annoyed that it took longer than was initially told. Then I kept in contact with Acanac, 1st it was Al, great guy, figured out what was initially wrong, as far as I know an Acanac error (but speedily fixed) then it was a team effort from Micheal and Trevor, and although it took 4 more weeks and many, many more calls, I knew that once that initial problem was cleared up it was all Bell's problem.
Here is my beef, why does Bell have control of the lines when they are clearly, ill equipped or unwilling to do something when it comes time to. I had 2 missed tech appointments, and while I was waiting for the 3rd some random tech came to my place outside of any known appointment and fixed the problem in 10 mins.
I don't know what the problem was and I really don't care. But the Bell attitude just plainly sucks, we the ppl that use these lines have to be able to do ???something??? but what. What can we do? Seriously I'm asking, 'cuz I will do whatever I can to make a change.
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cia/3web are the cable internet alternative and they offer it over Rogers cable in many parts of Rogers ontario service area. That said, look at the threads on 3web customer support ... do a search.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18415594 Tue, 29 May 2007 18:13:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18415000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18415000 Tue, 29 May 2007 16:25:30 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18413527 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18413527 Tue, 29 May 2007 11:51:56 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18413411
I'm not pissed at all. I might have been angry at first, but, it's been explained to me over and over again, that this is a problem between Bell and Acanac. I'm just in the middle. So, no I'm not mad.
I do want what's right though. And, I know that I now have the attention of the CRTC, who, I'm sure will be interested to find out how this progresses. If not, I'm sure Ellen Roseman (onyourside) at the Toronto Star might be of some assistance.

A short anecdote,

I recently had a legal run (April 16th) in with Bell/Sympatico, and got the assistance of Ms. Roseman, the CRTC and the VP's office of Bell Telephone. Because of a verbal agreement not to talk about specifics with one of the VP's of Bell (though I did not sign any agreement, it's a verbal agreement at this time, and I'll continue to honour it if you're reading this Mr. Crull), I can't talk about specifics, but, let's say I put the right pressure on the right people, on the right points. And I won. They saw my side of the (*legal*) argument (you get my drift I hope), and I managed a settlement to my benefit. To our benefit. I was satisfied with the outcome, and agreed not to pursue it any further as long as they lived up to their side of the bargain. And to their credit. They did.

I'm not gloating or bragging. I'm bringing up a legal point, and I learned from a good friend, and from the year or so I worked at Oatley-Pursers Barristers and Solicitors (Roger Oatley is brilliant by the way) in Barrie. If you tell the truth, keep a level head, and don't push people into corner without giving them a way out, you'll usually win. It works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18413411 Tue, 29 May 2007 11:33:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18412916 said by jackr:

If I were a Sympatico user, and found that I was 4.7km from the CO with crappy sync rates and high ATT, I wonder how long it would take for Bell to rectify the situation.
I'm sure not long.
Hah, you're funny. Do you know the great lenghts people have to go thru to get ANYTHING done as a Sympatico customer? You're pissed, I understand, but trust me, there are people in worse situation than you and they are Bell customers.
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We tried every which way we could to get the transfer done, but there was no way.

The solution was to order service on another line (business customer) and cancel the original service.

This was in Arva, Ontario, just north of London.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18411332 Mon, 28 May 2007 22:33:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18410124 said by jackr:

I'm just want the same as everyone else. That is the same access that Bell Sympatico customers get. I don't think that it's to much to ask. That goes for all DSL users who have to piggyback on Bells lines. We're getting screwed if we're paying for one service, but can only expect to get a speed much lower than advertised just because we use another vendor.
Don't be so sure it's Bell just screwing users of 3rd party ISP's. Bell is also screwing their own DSL customers, by reserving some of these new remotes for optimax only. My friend is a prime example, he's literally 5 houses away from a remote put up 6 months ago, and bell refuses to switch him over to it, citing capacity issues. He gets 1728/640 sync. His neighbour was getting the same until he switched to optimax 16, and within a week he was switched to that new remote and has blazing speeds. The neighbour is going to switch back to regular DSL hoping they will keep him on that remote. It's quite a bit of hassle and added cost but its the only way his neighbour was able to do it. If it works, my friend will do the same.
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I'm just want the same as everyone else. That is the same access that Bell Sympatico customers get. I don't think that it's to much to ask. That goes for all DSL users who have to piggyback on Bells lines. We're getting screwed if we're paying for one service, but can only expect to get a speed much lower than advertised just because we use another vendor. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18409462 Mon, 28 May 2007 15:39:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18406414
I hate the part when a doctor walks in the room and tells the patient they haven't got long to live. That alone impacts the outcome when the patient is still in their game. Jackr stay on point, and maintain your focus with this. Peace. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18406414 Sun, 27 May 2007 23:02:03 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18404597
Paul has indicated that he's going to bring up the issue with Bell in a meeting on the 30th, but, won't rock the boat as Acanac has to do business with Bell.

I understand his position on this, but, I also want it understood that half measures will just alienate customers (me), and drive them to alternative ISPs (back to Rogers). You can live with the shedding of one or two customers, but it can quickly escalate if you indicate you're unwilling to go to the bat for your customer base.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18404597 Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18403288
So, tough luck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18403288 Sun, 27 May 2007 10:55:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18403238
Acanac would have to file a Part VII (perhaps they could get one of the ISP organizations to do it on behalf of all the independant providers) if you want action on the situation you have described.
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"Dear Mr. *******:

This is further to your web-based message regarding difficulties that you've been experiencing with the connection of your internet service.

Based on the information provided in your message, I would suggest that you continue to deal directly with Acanac. Procedures and time-lines are well known by all industry parties involved, as well as the dispute mechanisms to bring issues before the Commission. If Acanac believes that Bell Canada is discriminating against customers or that Bell Canada is giving itself undue advantage, it can provide the Commission with evidence of alleged wrongdoing in a written competitive dispute. I can assure you that Commission staff deal with such complaints expediously as soon as they are filed by service providers.

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IMPORTANT NOTE: Please do not reply to this message using the email address indicated above as we cannot receive e-mail at this address. To reply or to add to your submission, please click here and follow the prompts:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18403217 Sun, 27 May 2007 10:35:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18402293 said by acanac_customer :

My plan is to cancel Acanac tomorrow and go with Bell, even though Bell has a 60GB /mo limit. Why? I can't handle the hourly or more frequent disconnects. The crappy Lynx 210 router they gave me is garbage and doesn't work in bridge mode properly. Also, their tech support sucks. The guy I talked to said they shipped out the Lynxes without giving any manuals to the tech guys so they can't support them. I'd rather pay up with Bell and get a solid service.
Yes, the Lynx 210 is a crappy modem, if it is over heated then it will drop the signal to noise a lot... If SNR drops below 6 then you will have disconnect problem... You can get into the Lynx 210 modem and see/monitor that SNR number from the Modem Status page...

So try to keep it not overhead, don't put it near other headted components (for example your router, etc)... or like others buy the $23 2Wire 2700G from Canadacomputers.com and return the Lynx 210 and get back $50 modem deposit (use the FedEx receiver pay so you don't have to pay the shipping fee)...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18402293 Sun, 27 May 2007 01:11:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18401603 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18401603 Sat, 26 May 2007 22:28:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18401251 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18401251 Sat, 26 May 2007 21:03:30 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18401158 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18401158 Sat, 26 May 2007 20:42:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18399355 Bell is Bell is Bell is Bell. Doesn't matter what DSL provider you go with, it's all Bell.
Sorry to disappoint, but no ... it's not all Bell.

Sure, the copper is Bell to the DSLAM ... but some ISPs have their own DSLAMs in there sending you straight onto the ISP's own colocated router and network. Some go through Bell's DSLAMs, first router and then onto the ISP's network. Others follow Bell to the closest router for the ISP and then off on their network.

There's enough variability there to say "It isn't all Bell".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18399355 Sat, 26 May 2007 13:18:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18399288 Plugged it in, and away I went. No problem. Plus I was able to eliminate my TrendNET router, because I put the 2Wire in bridge mode, and it's has a robust firewall.

You might be angry now. I understand, as I'm not happy with half the speed I was getting with Rogers, but, I'm also paying 60% less. Bell is Bell is Bell is Bell. Doesn't matter what DSL provider you go with, it's all Bell.

Hey, it's you cash though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18399288 Sat, 26 May 2007 13:03:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18398601
Download Speed: 4329 kbps (541.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 669 kbps (83.6 KB/sec transfer rate) :D

The former "frequent drop-offs" occurred over a two week period as new servers were being intalled. Under those circumstances it was the vendor (ImageStream) that had to correct their software, and re-write their code on the fly to resolve the issue.

Acanac may not be for everyone. When "No Frills" grocery stores came on the scene the major players balked. Yet, they have secured their own unique market and continue to service their customers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18398601 Sat, 26 May 2007 09:51:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18398487 said by Dee04:

They sold DSL sympatico to someone else tapping into my line.
Does that mean you would have had the chance for cheap internet... get a modem, filters, and a $10 login account? If so, sounds like a good thing!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18398487 Sat, 26 May 2007 09:07:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18397648 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18397648 Sat, 26 May 2007 00:12:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356377 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356377 Fri, 18 May 2007 14:15:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356284 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356284 Fri, 18 May 2007 13:59:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356278 Upload Speed: 669 kbps (83.62 KB/sec transfer rate)

This is what I average, and personally I am very content for the money I am saving. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356278 Fri, 18 May 2007 13:58:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356219 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18356219 Fri, 18 May 2007 13:46:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18342989
Yes, it's a good team. You always get a service tech that actually can help and Paul does answer questions quickly if there's a problem
My problem though is still speed. I'm on a the 2.4 profile, but it's still slow. I phoned and they said do you want us to switch you back to the 1.7 profile? Well. Obviously not, slow is slow right?
I just finished writing a complaint letter to the CRTC, outlining the issue of Sympatico reserving a portion of the local remote for use by their service, but in turn denying me the right of enjoyment of my service. Maybe the CRTC can put some pressure on Bell to switch me to a remote, because these speeds are utter crap (with 63~64db of ATT no wonder). It's not right that Bell can advertise 5 mpbs of DSL in the area but deny those 5 mbps if you happen to use a VISP instead of their service. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18342989 Wed, 16 May 2007 09:42:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18341855 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18341855 Tue, 15 May 2007 23:40:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18340298
I had no expectations but so far it seems to work like a charm.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18340298 Tue, 15 May 2007 19:02:30 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18335303 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18335303 Mon, 14 May 2007 21:50:10 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18323578 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18323578 Sat, 12 May 2007 15:21:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18317105 said by jackr:

They did switch me to the next profile, and it did improve marginally, but it's no where near the speeds I was hoping for. I'd like to see this in the 3500-4000 kbps range. And yes, they also switched this to interleaved. Good call HiVolt.
Yeah that looks like the 2496/640 profile. Post your stats, i'd be interested to see how much wiggle room you have left.

If you ask my opinion, if you're into P2P stuff, I'd rather have a 2mbit uncapped/unthrottled connection rather than Rogers throttled crap. If you're into usenet, then I'd stick with Rogers.
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Hope this helps.

J.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18311557 Thu, 10 May 2007 10:09:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18311413
Now after the upgrade, it seems to be very good, get consistency max speed. If it keeps reliable like this, I think with the cheap price $18.95 (tax included), unlimted highspeed 5Mbit/s, acanac is the best cheap ISP for the speed and price.

You can read more on acanac forum about the upgrade... Since you have test acanac DSL login, you can use it to test until it is expired (probably the end of this month) to see if it is reliable before swithing to it.

»community.acanac.com/acanac/view···p?t=3765]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18311413 Thu, 10 May 2007 09:36:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18310392 »www.acanac.com/cgi-bin/acanac.cg···DSL.html
I can switch from Bell to Acanac by using the different logins to speed test both. For now my speeds are similar.

I'm thinking of Sympatico, Acanac or TeckSavvvy as possible ISP's. I'm presently with Sympatico, but the cost is high.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18310392 Thu, 10 May 2007 00:32:36 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18296609

They did switch me to the next profile, and it did improve marginally, but it's no where near the speeds I was hoping for. I'd like to see this in the 3500-4000 kbps range. And yes, they also switched this to interleaved. Good call HiVolt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18296609 Mon, 07 May 2007 17:20:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18294985 said by jackr:

I'm not looking at 5000 kbps (though that would be nice). I'm looking at something better than the paltry 1375 kbps that I'm getting.To be honest with you with the 63dB attenuation, I wouldn't expect much if any improvement. You're at 1728kbit sync with 11dB SnR, the next profile up is 2496kbit, which would drop the SnR quite a bit probably in the 5-6dB range which could prove problematic. Though you are on fastpath now, if they switch to interleave, 2496kbit may be feasible.
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I'm not looking at 5000 kbps (though that would be nice). I'm looking at something better than the paltry 1375 kbps that I'm getting. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18294773 Mon, 07 May 2007 11:15:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18294314
If you have already requested us to escalate this to Bell we simply need to wait for their reply. Once a certain amount of time passes the problem is still not resolved we move on to the next level, but please keep in mind that your speeds might be limited to what you have.

We will do everything we can, but not everyone can get 5Mbps.

Best Regards,
Paul L.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18294314 Mon, 07 May 2007 09:38:21 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18292157 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18292157 Sun, 06 May 2007 20:02:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18291985
We had one recent case where Bell was going to write off a "slow speed" ticket as being a distance issue. We knew from our stats that the customer was 2.7km from the CO. After escalating, we got Bell to check the sync rate at the CO frame, proving the slow sync was due to a bad DSLAM port (no outside cable involved when testing at the frame), and had them do a port change.

If this customer had been dealing with Bell as a Sympatico customer directly, they would have likely not had this issue fixed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18291985 Sun, 06 May 2007 19:26:01 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18291856
Had this happen all too many times with other support services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-about-acanac-18291856 Sun, 06 May 2007 19:00:41 EDT