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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><b>Ahrenl</b></A> : It's amazing how many people will show if you tell them you're either going to fire teachers or raise taxes for them umpteenth time. People got real fired up.. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : Ok, your experience is different than what I've seen in several communities. Must be nice to have a community that cares.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><b>Ahrenl</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Ahrenl <A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</SMALL><BR><BR>There are 30,000 people in my town, should we drive down to Gilette stadium for every selectman's meeting/town meeting/school committee meeting/finance board meeting/zoning board meeting/conservation board meeting/DPW meeting etc.?</DIV>Until you show me that all 30K people are actually interested in attending such meetings, your point is null, IMO.<br> </DIV>In that case, I could care less about your opinion. It is arbitrarily null, for the same ridiculous reason. :P<br><br>We had so many people show up at a town meeting 6 months ago that we had to setup TWO overflow areas, linking them by cell phones. When both these auditoriums, and the main auditorium were packed full, people, invariably turned themselves away. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1389758"><b>krayzie bone</b></A> : Can you please go away? you have absolutely nothing to add of value or anything factual for that matter. <br><br>haha i laugh at your big brother comment. If anyone wants to have a big brother state, it's your lovely, patriotic hero George W. Bush. It's the media (TV, radio, ink) that wants to control us and the way we think. Looks like they already have a foothold on your soul...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Octopussy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Again, name the specific town and proof.<br> </DIV>You have no standing to do anything concerning this issue so why would I waste my time?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:20:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><b>Octopussy2</b></A> : Again, name the specific town and proof.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Octopussy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>So, that would be a "no" about a specific town?<br> </DIV>Is having to building a swimming pool unreasonable? Is setting up a permanent $50,000.000.00 a year scholarship to be doled out by the local hogs unreasonable?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:04:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  fiberguy <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>no... but your post was really way off course.. and stupid.<br> </DIV>Thank you. You are the undisputed master of stupid. How long ago did The Telephone Company show you the door?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  marcos04 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1397510"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> It's completely acceptable for local municipalities to request non-commercial channels and access facilities, iNets for municipal and emergency services, and fee set-asides to manage and maintain public right of ways. <br> </DIV>In your opinion. In my opinion, it is a tax on the people because they will pay for these <I>amenities</I> in higher prices. It is just a sneaky way for local pols to tax their constituents while blaming someone else for the higher cable costs.<br><SMALL>--<br>--<BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h">My BLOG</A><BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto">My Web Page</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:46:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1397510"><b>marcos04</b></A> : "Care to provide proof for that? AT&T was unable to provide proof when Congress asked them to and retracted their statements."<br><br>The FCC quoted telco testimony about a Florida municipality making similar demands in their December 20th Ruling on video franchising. Representatives of the Florida municipality claimed in the press that the story was entirely a fabrication.<br><br>But . . . AT&T did donate 1 million to a community center in Illinois. But this was a personal project of Congressman Bobby Rush. In exchange Rush signed on as a co-sponsor of the Barton-COPE Bill in the House. Not exactly a city extorting a corporation - more like a corporation buying political patronage.<br><br>Cable TV is a hugely profitable industry. In NYC alone, Time Warner posts over 1.3 billion in gross revenue. It's completely acceptable for local municipalities to request non-commercial channels and access facilities, iNets for municipal and emergency services, and fee set-asides to manage and maintain public right of ways. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><b>Octopussy2</b></A> : So, that would be a "no" about a specific town?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><b>fiberguy</b></A> : no... but your post was really way off course.. and stupid.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Octopussy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Do you know of such a town that has made such unreasonable demands?  <br> </DIV>In NJ there are 328 towns, it is an unreasonable demand to burden a network provider with having to feed pork to 328 hogs. The pork has been set by the state and applies to all.<br><br>Really, I don't care. FIOS is being run in Netcong, batterup will soon ride the light. batterup's 85 year old father is at this point in time riding the light. You people can kiss a leach and stay on dial-up.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:43:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  fiberguy <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR> those damn homosexuals.. they're ruining the world!!! It's all the fault of the homosexual!  :uhh:<br><br>Don't be a dick!<br> </DIV>So if you read homosexual you think of dick. Don't get me wrong, its OK to be gay.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><b>Octopussy2</b></A> : Do you know of such a town that has made such unreasonable demands?  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><b>fiberguy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  batterup <A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  DaveNJ <A HREF="/useremail/u/107980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>Just for the record that was put in place by a Homosexual, Democratic Governing.<br> </DIV>.. those damn homosexuals.. they're ruining the world!!! It's all the fault of the homosexual!  :uhh:<br><br>Don't be a dick!<br><SMALL>--<br>"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-reitchous and lazy ... those who also never take the time to point out a good fortune when the opportunity presents itself. It says a lot about one's moral character." - Unknown</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206900"><b>fiberguy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  karlmarx <A HREF="/useremail/u/1394754"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.<br> </DIV>I hate to tell you part of your flaw.. but, um, you know those living, breathing things you talk about? They too own businesses and are part of those corrupt corporations. What YOU are being is an extremest.. you're so far one sided that you forget that we the people own those businesses. <br><br>All I'm telling you is not to forget that.. I know that corporations are corrupting government, more so - the parties, but we're all in the same society. Don't empower business and corporations with the notion they are in some different league.<br><br>It's the person that is greedy, not the corporation or business... after all, we are all in this world for ourselves.. not the greater good.<br><SMALL>--<br>"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-reitchous and lazy ... those who also never take the time to point out a good fortune when the opportunity presents itself. It says a lot about one's moral character." - Unknown</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1272277"><b>houselog442</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  karlmarx <A HREF="/useremail/u/1394754"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.<br> </DIV>Sounds like more whining from the communist pinkos on the left that want America to live in a Big Brother state!  When I saw that Hilary 1984 the zombies sitting in the crowd remind me exactly of communist liberals; mindless and stupid.  <br><br>Like I have said before, anybody who thinks like a communist liberal is a complete mentally retarded moron that is incapable of rational thought. When I see a liberal, I see someone in the special ed class that does nothing but drool, cry, shit and piss themselves. Communist Liberalism is basically an admission of inferiority, a class of sub-human retards that is as annoying as that crap that grows in your eye lashes when you wake up in the morning. That is also why the communist left supports Islamic terrorism. When communists see Muslims they see the same characteristics as themselves; Evil, oppressive, mindless little monsters! The only good communist is a dead one!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  karlmarx <A HREF="/useremail/u/1394754"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Forced is exactly the word you should use. Remember, the cable/telco's are using PUBLIC LAND, to run their wires. It's in the publics BEST INTEREST to force them to provide universal service. <br> <br> </DIV> <br> The phone company doesn&#146;t' need a towns permission to maintain the cables. The town comes into play only with granting permission to deliver TV over the wires. <br><br>This place has been lied to by the likes of Teletruth for so long and hard the facts are buried beneath massive mountains of B.S.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Octopussy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The system isn't broken here, and Verizon is deploying fiber and providing video after entering into local franchise agreements. </DIV>Verizon is deploying but also lobbying for state franchise law. New Jersey now has a state franchise law and FIOS is now being run in Netcong.<br><br>All it would take to throw a monkey wrench in a FIOS deployment would to  have one town to make unreasonable demands. FIOS is deployed by Central Office not towns.<br><br>FIOS is expensive to deploy, and feeding pork to every two bit hustling hog makes it much more so.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  DaveNJ <A HREF="/useremail/u/107980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Because you are incapable of reading 3 or 4 sentences, if you re-read what i wrote. Why do liberals do it so much, if its not in there ideology ? Liberals today seem to be using it over and over. So without a academic answer. Why are liberals being facist ? Its supposed to not be liberal ? <br> </DIV>I'll be honest I did not read most of this thread but a definition is in order.<br><br>Fascism is when government and business work hand in glove. An example is the New Jersey automobile insurance laws. We are forced to buy high price insurance with all of the bells and whistles buy the government. This money goes to a business that makes huge profits on the money the government foresees to pay. That is fascism. <br><br>Just for the record that was put in place by a Homosexual, Democratic Governing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><b>Octopussy2</b></A> : There are many communities in IL that are not served by AT&T right now - because it is not profitable for them to do so.  They have a right to choose who they enter into an agreement with.  If they don't like the rules of the game, and the Level Playing Statute (designed to protect consumers), no one is saying they have to play.  Verizon is choosing to play.  AT&T wants to make their own rules in the name of "competition" - and wants to sue towns that don't agree with their way of looking at things. They don't want any competition from munis that could offer competitive services though.  Heck no!  They feel THAT is unfair.  They want to be in the business of telling Gov. what they can and cannot do and have the governmental power of eminent domain, yet don't want any Gov. involved in competing with the private sector. Hmmmmmm.  Why do they get to have it both ways? What's good for the goose should be good for the gander....  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Octopussy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>ability to redline customers they don't deem worthy of their "competitive" service.</DIV>/Flame retardant suit engaged....<br>That's the part I don't have a problem with per se. If the ROI isn't there, don't force the providers' hands into a money losing situation that costs other customers extra money to make up for.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><b>marigolds</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I assume your talking about apartment/office complexes and not necessarily private residences?<br> </DIV>Applies to private residences too, but the private residences do not have to allow anything beyond the walls of the building and the cable company has to make reasonable modifications to their building plans.<br>Basically, the property has to be wired and the cable company can place a pedastal on the property for service.<br><SMALL>--<br>ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet<br>telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com<br>Professional Geographer<br>Geographic Information Science researcher</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  marigolds <A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>the city does pay indirectly for limited basic cable service for those who cannot afford it.</DIV>Do they buy the TV that goes along with it? If someone is really that poor, I would think that CATV access is the least of their worries. Where does the socialistic mindset end?<div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  marigolds <A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>All new building construction in a franchised city is required to give access to dwellings for cable television service.</DIV>I assume your talking about apartment/office complexes and not necessarily private residences?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><b>Octopussy2</b></A> : In this case (IL) no one is preventing AT&T from deploying any services.  They simply do not want to play on a level playing field with competitors.  They want preferential treatment and the ability to redline customers they don't deem worthy of their "competitive" service.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Ahrenl <A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>There are 30,000 people in my town, should we drive down to Gilette stadium for every selectman's meeting/town meeting/school committee meeting/finance board meeting/zoning board meeting/conservation board meeting/DPW meeting etc.?</DIV>Until you show me that all 30K people are actually interested in attending such meetings, your point is null, IMO.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : It's not a corporate state. Where did you pull that from?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/187074"><b>ross</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Not that it's relative, but you're right, I'm not a hardcore conservative...I never claimed to be ;) And no, there are plenty of good laws that benefit more than just the "megacorps". I do believe government should act in the best interest of <B>all</B> of its citizens...both corporate and otherwise. There is a comfortable middle ground, it just needs to be found.<br> </DIV>There is no middle ground with the corporate state.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:02:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Ahrenl <A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart.. :D<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=20&q=Fascism" >thesaurus.reference.com/search?r&middot;&middot;&middot;=Fascism</A><br> </DIV>Actually they are not. The most well known fascist society was NAZI Germany. <br><br>National <B>Socialist</B> German <B>Workers' Party</B><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party</A><br><br>More:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4950532.html" >www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4950532.html</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html" >rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://ask.yahoo.com/20050920.html" >ask.yahoo.com/20050920.html</A><br><div class="bquote">fascism contains elements of both "left and right ideology" </DIV>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.promethea.org/Misc_Compositions/PrometheanCapitalism/Fascism.html" >www.promethea.org/Misc_Compositi&middot;&middot;&middot;ism.html</A><br><div class="bquote">The<B> difference between fascism and socialism is a fine point in practice</B>. In intent they may differ, but in practice both tend toward consolidation of political power. Socialism typically favors central ownership to a greater degree (in the extreme of communism, all appreciable property is centralized) while fascism emphasizes state control over exchanges more than state control over property itself. With different emphasis, <B>both are based on forced intervention with the individual human acts of creation and voluntary exchange, making creation and exchange involuntary</B>.</DIV><br><SMALL>--<br>--<BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h">My BLOG</A><BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto">My Web Page</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/107980"><b>DaveNJ</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Ahrenl <A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  DaveNJ <A HREF="/useremail/u/107980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by GetItRightDude :</SMALL><br><br>Fascism isn't a liberal idea...   Its a convervative, right wing ideology.   Nice try though.<br> </DIV>Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie<br>Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology. <br> </DIV>Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart.. :D<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=20&q=Fascism" >thesaurus.reference.com/search?r&middot;&middot;&middot;=Fascism</A><br> </DIV>Because you are incapable of reading 3 or 4 sentences, if you re-read what i wrote. Why do liberals do it so much, if its not in there ideology ? Liberals today seem to be using it over and over. So without a academic answer. Why are liberals being facist ? Its supposed to not be liberal ? <br><SMALL>--<br>Go courageously to do whatever you are called to do. fear nothing. - St. Francis de Sales<br><br><br><br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1340826"><b>jslik</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>My point is that is where the business' obligation to the community should end. Businesses lease access to the ROW and then provide services as they deem appropriate.<br> </DIV>I understand, and that's certainly a point worth arguing.  My position is that providing those community communication enhancements above ROW lease/fees benefits everybody, including the provider.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><b>Ahrenl</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I'll grant you that 'forced' might not have been the best word choice. I'm all for following local codes and requirements. Every person and business should do so. I don't think that businesses should be required to serve every residence just for the <I>opportunity</I> to "open up shop" in a community. Should a cellular phone company be required to stand up a new transceiver closer to my house if my half of the city isn't covered just so the cellular provider has the <I>opportunity</I> to maintain their other transceivers?<br><br>I like the concept of a neutral infrastructure with a reselling capability. I don't think it will ever happen on a large scale though :(<br> </DIV>If they want to build the towers on Public property, they should have the expectation that one of their covenants for use of the space is to serve the entire community that owns said space. If you're not providing service to me, then you're misappropriating my share of the public space granted to me as a residence of the township. <br><br>Another reason for the need of public access is the physical impracticality of every citizen attending ANY local government function. There are 30,000 people in my town, should we drive down to Gilette stadium for every selectman's meeting/town meeting/school committee meeting/finance board meeting/zoning board meeting/conservation board meeting/DPW meeting etc.? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><b>Ahrenl</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  DaveNJ <A HREF="/useremail/u/107980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by GetItRightDude :</SMALL><br><br>Fascism isn't a liberal idea...   Its a convervative, right wing ideology.   Nice try though.<br> </DIV>Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie<br>Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology. <br> </DIV>Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart.. :D<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=20&q=Fascism" >thesaurus.reference.com/search?r&middot;&middot;&middot;=Fascism</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:28:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><b>marigolds</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Ok, then my community should pay for me to have CATV?</DIV>I am not certain for Florida, but for Oregon and Iowa, the city does pay indirectly for limited basic cable service for those who cannot afford it.  Limited basic is just emergency alerts plus access channels (and sometimes broadcast affiliates, it varies by city).  Low income residents get limited basic for free, seniors get it for a reduced cost.  The city makes this up to the cable company through reduced franchise fees (the cable company gets to deducted the discounted or free service from their gross revenue used to calculate the franchise fee).<br><br>This actually brings up another component to this.  All new building construction in a franchised city is required to give access to dwellings for cable television service.  A homeowner cannot say "sorry, I'm not going to subscribe to cable, so I don't want you to run wires to my residence".  They must give every television franchiser access to building to run service even if they are not subscribing.<br>The reasoning behind this is to ensure that every new resident (especially renters) of the city can have access to the essential community components of basic cable, the emergency alerts and the access channels.  In many cities, rental permits carry a condition of access to cable television or reasonable substitute (like an aerial capable of picking up a minimum number of emergency alert carrying stations) for this reason (even if the rental unit is not in a mandatory buildout area).<br><SMALL>--<br>ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet<br>telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com<br>Professional Geographer<br>Geographic Information Science researcher</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/107980"><b>DaveNJ</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by GetItRightDude :</SMALL><br><br>Fascism isn't a liberal idea...   Its a convervative, right wing ideology.   Nice try though.<br> </DIV>Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie<br>Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : How is it in the public's best interest to force universal service? How is in your best interest, or mine for that matter, to pay higher fees because a provider is mandated to serve everyone?<div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  karlmarx <A HREF="/useremail/u/1394754"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>If they want the RIGHT (notice, it's a RIGHT, and a PRIVILEGE) to provide service, then we, the people, set the conditions they must meet before we allow them to do so.</DIV>I'll tag along with this comment. If consumers want the RIGHT (it is most definitely a privilege) to purchase my service, then businesses set the conditions to be met before providing service. Mainly, pay them what it costs to enable a sufficient ROI for <B>all</B> customers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  marigolds <A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Care to provide proof for that?  AT&T was unable to provide proof when Congress asked them to and retracted their statements.</DIV>Unfortunately, I don't have the time to research right now. I've sadly based my comments on what I've read on this forum...I know that's dangerous.<div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  marigolds <A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The state level franchises are about more than "optional services".  Basic cable is one of the two primary routes for the emergency alert services.</DIV>Ok, then my community should pay for me to have CATV? I'm not sure I'm following your logic of "optional services". To me, optional is that I choose to pay for CATV and it's not "necessity" like water, electrical, PSTN service, etc. (some of which I disagree with btw).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Fascism isn't a liberal idea...   Its a convervative, right wing ideology.   Nice try though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : Not that it's relative, but you're right, I'm not a hardcore conservative...I never claimed to be ;) And no, there are plenty of good laws that benefit more than just the "megacorps". I do believe government should act in the best interest of <B>all</B> of its citizens...both corporate and otherwise. There is a comfortable middle ground, it just needs to be found.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : I guess I've miscommunicated my point. I don't have a problem with businesses franchising (leasing) the ability to provide service to a community. My intention was not to argue paying for ROW use. My point is that is where the business' obligation to the community should end. Businesses lease access to the ROW and then provide services as they deem appropriate.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1394754"><b>karlmarx</b></A> : Forced is exactly the word you should use. Remember, the cable/telco's are using PUBLIC LAND, to run their wires. It's in the publics BEST INTEREST to force them to provide universal service. <br><br>Look at it this way. If we left it to the megacorps, most farms and rural houses wouldn't even have electricity. The cost to run poles and wires to a farmhouse FAR outweigh any return they provide, but without electricity, we wouldn't have many farmers now, would we. It's the same with telephones, cable tv, and cell phone service. If they want the RIGHT (notice, it's a RIGHT, and a PRIVILEGE) to provide service, then we, the people, set the conditions they must meet before we allow them to do so. It's called democracy, where the greater public good out weights the rights of the megacorps.<br><SMALL>--<br>Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 100mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1394754"><b>karlmarx</b></A> : Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.<br><SMALL>--<br>Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 100mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : I'll grant you that 'forced' might not have been the best word choice. I'm all for following local codes and requirements. Every person and business should do so. I don't think that businesses should be required to serve every residence just for the <I>opportunity</I> to "open up shop" in a community. Should a cellular phone company be required to stand up a new transceiver closer to my house if my half of the city isn't covered just so the cellular provider has the <I>opportunity</I> to maintain their other transceivers?<br><br>I like the concept of a neutral infrastructure with a reselling capability. I don't think it will ever happen on a large scale though :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1340826"><b>jslik</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I won't dispute the need for local government to take care of the people,but I will argue the ability of local government to extort corporate entities beyond standard corporate taxation. Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?<br> </DIV> Requiring build-out, access channels, or I-Nets isn't extortion.  All those requirements are <I>specifically</I> allowed under federal law, which the telcos/cable folks have signed off on several times in the past.  The telcos lack of foresight regarding the marketplace shouldn't be blamed on local government.<br><br>McDonald's isn't locating their facilities on public land, so they don't have to pay rent to the city, which the franchise fee truly is.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : I agree, there should be no preferential treatment in any direction. Government should allow (not mandate) commercial entities to serve customers and the commercial entities should not expect special treatment or protection from government. I don't necessarily have issue with franchise agreements in general, however I do see a problem when the franchise agreement goes above and beyond allowing a commercial businesses the ability to operate and provide service. I do not believe businesses should be required to fund local interest items. I do not believe businesses should be mandated to provide service to every citizen for luxury items. As for placing equipment in the ROW, that's progress. How should businesses provide services to citizens if they aren't allowed to place equipment?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><b>marigolds</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?</DIV>Because the McDonald's franchises are built on private property, unlike the CATV and phone providers.<br>That would also be why satellite television is not required to pay local governments.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : I won't dispute the need for local government to take care of the people,but I will argue the ability of local government to extort corporate entities beyond standard corporate taxation. Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/629959"><b>marigolds</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Extortion tactics as building new community centers, planting trees, or any other non-pertinent local interest items.</DIV>Care to provide proof for that?  AT&T was unable to provide proof when Congress asked them to and retracted their statements.<br><br>The state level franchises are about more than "optional services".  Basic cable is one of the two primary routes for the emergency alert services.  Both the Iowa and Missouri bills expressly forbid requirements to carry emergency alerts.  Why?  Because phone companies do not have emergency alert interconnects in place already and they are expensive to build.<br><br>Besides that, basic cable and institutional cable is used for distance education by many colleges and community colleges.  The state level bills are scrapping institutional cable completely and severely restricting educational basic cable (especially facilities support, which is completely eliminated in almost every case).<br><br>The last factor of basic cable beyond a "luxury" is remote viewing of government meetings.  Try telling the senior and disabled community that they should just show up to meetings if they are that interested.  These state franchises are also restriction funding and channel access for government channels.  The Missouri bill authorizes cable companies to remove these channels from basic cable completely.<br><SMALL>--<br>ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet<br>telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com<br>Professional Geographer<br>Geographic Information Science researcher</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:13:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1099325"><b>Ahrenl</b></A> : I have issue with your use of the word "forced". <br><br>These companies aren't being forced to do anything. They're being offered the chance to provide service and build highly profitable assets on public ROW's in exchange for building out their network to communities that may not have a desirable adoption rate. <br><br>Much like if you want to build a house in said community you must abide by the permitting structure, electrical, waste disposal, and fire codes. <br><br>Frankly they'd still be better off if they built their own networks and allowed the private entities to compete to provide service on it, instead of inviting a previously abusive monopoly into their back yards. <br><br>Get some nice MBIA wrapped revenue bonds, and sell them into the hugely liquid Muni market with a 3.00% yield. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:13:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1340826"><b>jslik</b></A> : No, some of us believe in long-time conservative ideas like federalism - leaving national defense to the national government and leaving local right-of-way decisions to the local government.<br><br><I>"...Government closest to the people is more responsive and accountable."</I><br><br>-George W. Bush]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:42:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/792867"><b>Octopussy2</b></A> : Companies wanting to compete SHOULD play on a level playing field.  We have the Level Playing Field Statute in IL.  I am all for competition, but not when one certain Telco wants preferential treatment to deploy - and only will serve the customers they deem worthy of their video service.  Competition for some, but not all?   <br><br>I also don't believe the munis need to be stripped of any local control.  The system isn't broken here, and Verizon is deploying fiber and providing video after entering into local franchise agreements.  Does anyone really want AT&T to have the power of eminent domain in their community?  They can place a huge Lightspeed box in your yard if they deem it necessary, and there won't be a thing anyone can do about it at the local level if this horrendous legislation is passed in IL. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:19:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  openbox9 <A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Sounds good to me. A commercial company shouldn't be forced to provide a <STRIKE>luxury</STRIKE> optional service to everyone, nor should they be required to fulfill such extortion tactics as building new community centers, planting trees, or any other non-pertinent local interest items. <B>This is not a socialist state...yet</B>. Allow the market to drive service deployments and costs.<br> </DIV>But the majority of supporters claiming wired TV (controlled by local pols) is a utility, and that everyone MUST have, and that must be price controlled are also supporters of a socialist state. They are against a government that provides a national defense, but they are for a government that decides what we can smoke and what we can eat and how we must educate our children and how we must provide sex education, etc. Socialism, nanny government, fascism - all part of the liberals great design for gracious living.<br><SMALL>--<br>--<BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h">My BLOG</A><BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto">My Web Page</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:02:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : Sounds good to me. A commercial company shouldn't be forced to provide a <STRIKE>luxury</STRIKE> optional service to everyone, nor should they be required to fulfill such extortion tactics as building new community centers, planting trees, or any other non-pertinent local interest items. This is not a socialist state...yet. Allow the market to drive service deployments and costs.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:42:20 EDT</pubDate>
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