 paulhaskewUnoffical Dominos Spokesman
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Vancouver, WA | hah! irrepairable??? If the friggin Bell's hadn't been so damn greedy in the first place and trying to force their stick up everyone's ass then we wouldn't need alternatives like this...
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 yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | reply to paulhaskew
said by paulhaskew:irrepairable??? If the friggin Bell's hadn't been so damn greedy in the first place and trying to force their stick up everyone's ass then we wouldn't need alternatives like this... How do you justify that statement? They defended a legitimately obtained patent. It seems as if you advocate that they abandon their legal patent protections in favor of helping a competitor break patent law.
This country certainly needs patent reform, but this is a good example of properly applied patent law.
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| I think his comment about being so greedy is from essentially identical services, but VoIP providers charging significantly less then what the traditional telcos do.
I can get the standard POTS service with the usual bells and whistles for around $45/month after taxes + LD charges from Verizon. I can get the same features and then some for around $10 from ViaTalk.
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to yock
I think he meant if the ILECs wouldn't have charged first-born-child rates for POTS and then $10 extra for every caller-id, call waiting, voice mail option thingie, Vonage would have never been. We'd all be happy with our $25/month unlimited LD POTS service. If that's what he meant, I couldn't agree more. |
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yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | reply to cdru
That's great, but you don't know how much it cost the innovator to implement their patented technology. ViaTalk might only be able to provide those low rates because they're standing on the shoulders of geniuses. They didn't do any of the grunt work developing the technology, they're just implementing it and reaping the benefits.
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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| said by yock:That's great, but you don't know how much it cost the innovator to implement their patented technology. ViaTalk might only be able to provide those low rates because they're standing on the shoulders of geniuses. They didn't do any of the grunt work developing the technology, they're just implementing it and reaping the benefits. I'm not arguing that Verizon doesn't deserve the royalties if the patent is upheld (although I don't believe it will nor should it).
I'm mearly commenting to the original post by paulhaskew  that said the original Bells were greedy and that in some ways brought in on themselves.
They accepted numerous government handouts, continually charge users "required" fees such as 911 and Universal Service Fees which are essentially fees they keep but are just part of doing business.
They long ago could have adapted and reduced their costs significantly. The new kid on the block comes in and can provide similar service but at a fraction of the price. Instead of adapting with the competition, they researched and patented other promising methods so that if the competition used it, they would get a cut of the royalties. If they were cheaper in the first place, significant competition likely would have come.
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yockTFTCPremium
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kudos:3 | You'll get no argument from me. I'm not defending their business practices, but to imply that Vonage should be allowed to exploit their innovation just because the Bells are poorly run companies is a fallacy. It only creates more problems.
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cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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| said by yock:You'll get no argument from me. I'm not defending their business practices, but to imply that Vonage should be allowed to exploit their innovation just because the Bells are poorly run companies is a fallacy. It only creates more problems. Agreed. That being said, I don't think Verizon's patents will hold up as there were packet-switched to circuit-switched VoIP-like implementations long before Verizon filed for their patent. I think the patent will be overturned on review.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to yock
Um.. Verizon invented nothing. They obtained the right to the patent in the purchase of MCI. I really don't think I have seen Verizon pushing their Voip service.
This is how I see it.. it's the gas companies buying a patented on how to run a car on water and then shelving it so they can continue to sell over priced, outdated expensive gasoline.
VZ may own/hold the patent to Voip, but they aren't implementing it, are they? If a patent holder wants to horde the patent and not use it, I think it should become public domain VERY quick so that the innovative process can progress.
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