Re: Oh Crap!!! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18052397 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:13:30 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:13:30 EDT Re: Oh Crap!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055876 fallenangel : Well lets see... you must be a coward. Posting replies as anonymous. What type of jobs have been lost? I see more innovations b/c of Voip. Verizon may have their own VoIP service - but according to the reviews, which service sucks? Oh thats right, Voicewing. And by the way, if you remember correctly Crazytown (you Verizon supporter you), Verizon didn't even get into VoIP on their own. They had to buy Voicewing and rebrand it as their own.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055876 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:04:17 EDT Re: Oh Crap!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055446 bobny1 : It is the same F*****G crap over and over again!. The music industry, phone companies, cable companies, all freaking monopolies keep squashing progress in this country with the help of crooked judges and politicians. Wake up America!. It think is time for revolution!. :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055446 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:18:10 EDT Re: Oh Crap!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055411 anon : There is not a work around.. Everyone talking about this is crazy.. How can you have a work around to get to the Pots customers House.. None of the VOIP Providers have a way to get to the Pots Customer House.. Not even the cable companies.. Vonage is cheap because they dont pay anything to maintain the facilites they are leaching from.. Vonage is just a Leach and everyone that uses them is part of the problem that is costing people jobs everyday.. Verizon's VOIP service isnt that much more expensive then Vonage, even though Vonage has nothing invested in the Service they provide and Verizon has a lot invested. If Verizon is making $5/mnth off the service and Vonage is making $15/mnth, then why is everyone so Pro-Vonage.. I wish you could just go down to the Car Dealership and take a car then sell it and keep the money, while the car dealership pays for the car. That is basically what Vonage is doing with Verizon..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055411 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:11:15 EDT How VOIP works http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055050 supergirl : »electronics.howstuffworks.com/ip···ony2.htm

Bascially, when you call from Vonage it hits their softswitch to find the IP address of the number you are calling. A softswitch is basically a massive database of phone numbers and their IP addresses. It changes as IPs change. Once the softswitch figures out where to go, usually in milliseconds, rings the number. Faster path is to another VOIP number. The tricky part is the path to a PSTN (public switched telephone network). The QoS problem of VOIP is the multiple paths the packets take in reaching their destination. It does find the closest connection point and the terminates to that PTSN, which is then connected to that POTS number. The system has to convert the digital signal of VOIP to the analog signal of the POTS line. Net Congestion, or even many softswitches, can cause all kinds of problems unless the VOIP is on a dedicated network (like Cable VOIP). Once it hits the PTSN and connects, the call is at a termination point--call connected.

So, a VOIP call, if properly routed, can bypass a lot of the PTSN but not all of it. Hence, it does terminate at the closest access point, which is usually the phone company's network. Hence, the phone company is basically paying for the connection probably in their intralata system.

Now, FIOS uses softswitching but is dedicated and digital until it terminates at an analog switch. The more dedicated the network the higher the cost.

Now, if everything was fiber and digital, Vonage would not be but an irritant to the telcos since the cost of connection to a digital phone is a heck of a lot cheaper since it is just a better IP phone system. Copper POTS is costly to maintain so termination fees are higher.

So, that is basically how it all works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055050 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:37:24 EDT Re: Oh Crap!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054455 fiberguy : I have one thing to add... if Verizon's purchased technology from the corrupt and bankrupt MCI/Worldcom/MCI owner is so dang great, then why aren't they using it themselves?

It's amazing that Verizon's awesome patented technology worth 58 million that Vonage stole is causing Verizon harm by lost customers... I have to laugh.. they are loosing customers not because of the technology.. they are loosing customers because Vonage is selling a service at a more appealing rate.

Change the technology Vonage uses (c'mon Vonage.. change one part of it.. just one and avoid the patent) and continue to sell the service at the same price. Vonage will still bleed.
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said by compugeek See Profile :

I have had Vonage for 4 years. I don't know anything else anymore. I hope this gets tossed on appeal or I am screwed. I don't want to go back to a normal POTS line.
Oh don't worry, you'll keep your vonage, it'll be just about six or seven dollars more when vonage passes its additional costs all down to the subscriber.
My Vonage service is so good (3 lines here), that I'd still be a subscriber even if they increased the bill on each line by $7.
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said by compugeek See Profile :

I have had Vonage for 4 years. I don't know anything else anymore. I hope this gets tossed on appeal or I am screwed. I don't want to go back to a normal POTS line.
Oh don't worry, you'll keep your vonage, it'll be just about six or seven dollars more when vonage passes its additional costs all down to the subscriber.
And that will still make it about 50% less than Verizon......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18052617 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:17:20 EDT Re: Oh Crap!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18052556 Rick : Exactly TCH. I think what people are misunderstanding here is that Vonage has not yet lost this case by any means in the legal sense of the word AND they are still saying that they have not violated anyone patents with the way things now stand.

And so, their position today is they aren't changing a thing unless they absolutely have or are forced to.

Obviously, changing things around of this order of magnitude will carry with it risks for service disruptions.
And, there's always the potential for whatever they switch over to just not working as it should, or as good as what they have today.

But, if that's what it takes, then I suspect they do have workarounds in mind.

I hope they prevail and do well. Speaking as a customer, I think their service is great in every regard.

It's a real money saver over pots/ld of old and that's obviously what's winning them over so many customers.
Not Verizons tired old pots technology.
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I have had Vonage for 4 years. I don't know anything else anymore. I hope this gets tossed on appeal or I am screwed. I don't want to go back to a normal POTS line.
Oh don't worry, you'll keep your vonage, it'll be just about six or seven dollars more when vonage passes its additional costs all down to the subscriber.
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If they had a work around, you'd see it by now.
Not necessarily. The workaround may mean paying money to license another companies(instead of Verizon's) patents. Or it may mean a more costly way to route calls to the off the internet termination points. They wouldn't implement the workaround, if it is more costly, unless they had no other choice.
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If they had a work around, you'd see it by now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18052397 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:32:14 EDT Re: Oh Crap!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18052252 Rick : This whole injunction might be a moot point anyway. Vonage is reportedly saying they have workarounds to these patent issues.

"Vonage has reassured its 2.2 million customers that service will not be affected by the court case, indicating that it would deploy different technologies to work around the patents in question."
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I'm like you, very happy with my service and I hope to see them win and go on to bigger and better things! :)
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said by compugeek See Profile :

I have had Vonage for 4 years. I don't know anything else anymore. I hope this gets tossed on appeal or I am screwed. I don't want to go back to a normal POTS line.

Geek
Even if Vonage loses the appeal and the injunction is enforced in 2 weeks, it gives Vonage enough time to switch their current technology to a non-infringing technology. At least they claimed they could do that, even if they lost the case. »www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=···fer=home
Vonage, based in Holmdel, New Jersey, said it is developing ``technical workarounds'' to avoid infringing Verizon's patents. The company expects to win a 120-day stay of today's order from Hilton or an appeals court, allowing it to pursue an appeal of the jury verdict, spokeswoman Brooke Schulz said in an interview. Hilton will hear Vonage's request April 6.

``We are confident Vonage customers will not experience service interruptions or other changes as a result of this litigation,'' Mike Snyder, Vonage's chief executive officer, said in a statement.
But if they do switch to something else, there will probably be disruptions while it is rolled out.
Whoo hooo, whoo hoo hoooo. (humms Vonage theme)... I think they stole the technology, just like they tried to steal $150 from me for an adapter I returned USING THEIR UPS LABELS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051749 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:23:49 EDT Re: Oh Crap!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051206 TKJunkMail :
said by compugeek See Profile :

I have had Vonage for 4 years. I don't know anything else anymore. I hope this gets tossed on appeal or I am screwed. I don't want to go back to a normal POTS line.

Geek
Even if Vonage loses the appeal and the injunction is enforced in 2 weeks, it gives Vonage enough time to switch their current technology to a non-infringing technology. At least they claimed they could do that, even if they lost the case. »www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=···fer=home
Vonage, based in Holmdel, New Jersey, said it is developing ``technical workarounds'' to avoid infringing Verizon's patents. The company expects to win a 120-day stay of today's order from Hilton or an appeals court, allowing it to pursue an appeal of the jury verdict, spokeswoman Brooke Schulz said in an interview. Hilton will hear Vonage's request April 6.

``We are confident Vonage customers will not experience service interruptions or other changes as a result of this litigation,'' Mike Snyder, Vonage's chief executive officer, said in a statement.
But if they do switch to something else, there will probably be disruptions while it is rolled out.
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