Re: Really they are criminals in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18065139 en Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:10:50 EDT Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:10:50 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18071018 justbits : Except many people who are for network neutrality are also against SPAM. Spamming is currently a grey area that I'm sure 99% of receivers would classify as lame data packets. Spamming is illegal in some nations (UK) and in others SPAM is extremely undesirable. So, just like the law has exceptions, there may need to be exceptions to network neutrality, depending on what scope network neutrality is applied at. In this case, I think that an ISP could claim that Media Defender is a Denial Of Service attack, but that probably wouldn't be a good idea for an ISP, considering the big bucks paying for Media Defender's services.

Hrm. So, in that respect, maybe the R*AA/M*AA are just as bad as the companies that back spammers, because they both are funding undesirable activity. ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18071018 Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:25:44 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18070398 cdru :
said by Warez_Zealot See Profile :

They are essentially wasting ISP's resources on lame data packets.
It's not the ISP's responsibility to judge what is or isn't a lame data packet. Everyone here is a proponent of network neutrality. You can't have it both ways where the ISP does care what the bandwidth is being used for while at the same time not caring how it gets used.
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Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18070398 Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:41:11 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18070395 cdru : Many people have been prosecuted for failing to pay taxes on drug sales or other illegal income. It's a double whammy because only an idiot would claim it, but if you don't and get caught, it's 2x the penalty.
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Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18070395 Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:39:05 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18068105 supergirl :
said by russotto See Profile :

It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen.
ROFLAMAO!

A hooker takes a check from a john then goes to the cops 2 weeks later. "You are just now telling us you were raped?" the cop asked.

"Yeah," she said, "I didn't know till the check bounced."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18068105 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:29:49 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18067757 John Galt :
said by Stumbles See Profile :

The road infrastructure of any country is used for legitimate and non-legitimate activities. Does that give anyone the right to sabotage the highways in an analogous fashion to curtail "illegal" use? No.
Really now...

»www.fedsig.com/industry_solution···hure.pdf
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said by gaforces See Profile :

This does happen all the time with drug dealers, and some of them do call the police, and if the thief gets caught, he/she will be arrested and prosecuted.
LOL, that's the funniest thing I've heard. You do realize that the second you call the police reporting that someone stole drugs from you they will ask you where YOU got them and what you were doing with them? You have to be REALLY stupid to put yourself on the spot like that.
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A MESSAGE to the RIAA and the MPAA: You shouldn't wound what you can't kill... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18067016 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:23:19 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18066520 Warez_Zealot :
said by russotto See Profile :

It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen.
So you are saying ISP have no case to say that these companies are doing the equivalent of a DDOS to their available bandwidth? I hope their providers know what they are using the inet connection for.

They are essentially wasting ISP's resources on lame data packets.
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"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it." - Malcolm X]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18066520 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:51:07 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065762 Pirate515 :
said by MoeDumb See Profile :

Cops have been prosecuted for stealing perps' drugs. The P2P's should file a lawsuit against these blackhats. You have to beat the scumbags in court.
It actually depends on what circumstances were. Some dirty cops have a nasty habit of using their authority to steal perps' or dealer's drugs and selling them themselves or reselling them to other dealers instead of turning them over to the police locker as evidence. Of course these cops should be prosecuted.

Getting back to the subject, it would be pretty funny to see one of these cases in court. The very principle of P2P allows anyone to put anything out there, including fakes. There are, however, creative ways to deal with these a**hats. Plus like someone mentioned, their fakes are pretty easy to spot, so for the most part, these idiots are wasting their money for nothing.
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A MESSAGE to the RIAA and the MPAA: You shouldn't wound what you can't kill... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065762 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:11 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065354 justbits : Legitimate P2P networks are likely not targeted by MediaDefender.

I guess we need to define "legitimate". My favorite legitimate open source CD image search engine is likely not getting polluted by Media Defender.

Your favorite "legitimate" P2P network with music and videos is likely getting polluted by Media Defender.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065354 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:27:02 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065326 justbits : Their actions for any other purpose are definitely criminal. If defacing a web site is criminal, defacing a P2P search engine might be also. And maybe their actions could classify them as terrorists. ;-)

But then again, P2P networks are open networks. There is no end user license, no authentication nor security of any manner deployed to prevent sabotage. So calling the actions criminal or terrorist-like are probably a little off base.

People who publish bogus web sites for the purpose of raising web site page ranks or search results are bigger criminals than people who post bogus files on P2P networks. You get what you paid for... if you actually paid for the media you wanted, you'd have the content you wanted and not the bogus copy that's flooding the P2P networks.

If MediaDefender broke into someone's personal P2P network for the purpose of spreading bad data, then I'd say they are criminal. Otherwise, no.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065326 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:21:15 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065157 Stumbles : Not hardly the point as your example does nothing to include legitimate activities of p2p..... of which there are many.

The road infrastructure of any country is used for legitimate and non-legitimate activities. Does that give anyone the right to sabotage the highways in an analogous fashion to curtail "illegal" use? No.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065157 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:46:15 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065139 gaforces : If someone (or something) got hurt in the act of stealing the drugs, then yes they have every right to complain.
Your analogy doesnt fit the way you would like.
This does happen all the time with drug dealers, and some of them do call the police, and if the thief gets caught, it will be arrested and prosecuted.
I do not condone piracy or drug dealing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065139 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:42:26 EDT Re: Really they are criminals http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065131 MoeDumb :
said by russotto See Profile :

It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen.
Cops have been prosecuted for stealing perps' drugs. The P2P's should file a lawsuit against these blackhats. You have to beat the scumbags in court.
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That's bullshit.

Now what do you suppose would happen if I started sabotaging all the media outlets networks in the same method as MediaDefender to allow my "legitimate product" gain more traction at the expense of theirs?

Yeah, that's right. It'd fly like a lead balloon.

AFAIAC MediaDEfender is nothing more than a criminal that already has the MAFIA, erm I mean the *AAs blessing. How convenient some companies and individuals can turn a blind eye.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065018 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:17:29 EDT