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said by TKJunkMail :Even if Vonage has problems, the chances are much higher they would be taken over by someone else and not just fold up their service. Who would want to buy them with that kind of liability? I expect any buying will be assets only after a Chapter 7 filing. -- We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company.
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2 edits | reply to Jim Gurd said by Jim Gurd :said by TKJunkMail :Even if Vonage has problems, the chances are much higher they would be taken over by someone else and not just fold up their service. Who would want to buy them with that kind of liability? I expect any buying will be assets only after a Chapter 7 filing. The patent liability of less than a $100 million for a company with $600 million of cash or cash equivalents on hand isn't going to stop a sale. Their assets are worth $789 million.
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| reply to Jim Gurd said by Jim Gurd :Who would want to buy them with that kind of liability? Google maybe.  |
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Verizon should just take them over. Voice Wing is an outsourced service that is not very good.
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1 edit | said by batterup :I find this interesting, Negative Goodwill. That happens when a company is bought and the buyer paid LESS than the assets of the company were valued at. For tax purposes there are conditions where that negative goodwill is treated as income spread over a number of years. »www.ventureline.com/glossary_N.asp
NEGATIVE GOODWILL arises where the net assets at the date of acquisition, fairly valued, exceed the cost of acquisition. It is reflected on the balance sheet net of other intangible assets. Negative goodwill is recognized as income as follows:
* To the extent that negative goodwill relates to expected future losses and expenses, it is recognized in the income statement when the future losses and expenses are recognized. * The amount of negative goodwill relating to identifiable non-monetary assets (not exceeding the fair values of such acquired assets), is recognized as income on a systematic basis over the remaining useful lives of the identifiable acquired depreciable/amortizable assets with a maximum of 20 years. * The amount of the negative goodwill in excess of the fair values of the acquired identifiable non-monetary assets is recognized as income immediately. * The amount of the negative goodwill relating to monetary assets is recognized as income immediately
On the other hand Goodwill on the balance sheet most usually occurs when a buyer of a company pays more for the company than the value of its net tangible assets.
GOODWILL is that intangible possession which enables a business to continue to earn a profit that is in excess of the normal or basic rate of profit earned by other businesses of similar type. The goodwill of a business may be due to a particularly favorable location, its reputation in the community, or the quality of its employer and employees. The evidence that goodwill exists is the proven ability to earn excess profits.
Goodwill is created on the books of a newly purchased company to the extent that the purchase price of the company is greater than the value of its net tangible assets. There are a number of methods for valuing goodwill: a. Simple Capitalization - The net profit of the business is capitalized to determine the total value of the business. The value of all the tangible assets is subtracted from the total value to establish the value of the intangible assets, or goodwill. b. Excess Earnings - the amount of earnings that are in excess of those normally earned by a similar business are capitalized to determine the value of goodwill. c. Income Tax Method - The past five years net income is averaged and a reasonable expected rate of return for tangible assets and salary requirements are subtracted. The resulting value is then capitalized to arrive at the goodwill value. d. Market Value - The price a willing seller would accept and a willing buyer would pay for goodwill. e. Buy /Sell Agreement - The value of goodwill is established by a formula in the buy/ sell agreement. f. Rule of Thumb - Goodwill is worth one years gross income. -- -- My BLOG My Web Page |
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :The patent liability of less than a $100 million for a company with $600 million of cash or cash equivalents on hand isn't going to stop a sale. Their assets are worth $789 million. Several things here: Their patent liability is less then $100m. But the judge has already said that the award isn't enough to discourage further patent violations. If Verizon/Vonage don't come to an agreement over licensing fees and Vonage ultimately loses out on appeal, Vonage will have to change their technology to a non-infringing method or stop offering service. That is an even bigger liability.
Vonages $789m worth of assets was 6 months ago. Their current assets are around $378m. Over that period too, their liabilities have not gone down the same porportional amount. They currently stand around $438m.
Take away stockholder equity and Vonage is nearly 1/2 BILLION in the hole. -- Go Colts |
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