Ryan
Premium
join:2001-03-03
Attleboro, MA
2 edits | reply to Alwill
Re: Comodo acquires BOClean
said by Alwill  :You were indeed fortunate but what about those guys who recently purchased the program? ---- I wonder has any thought been given to them. Also it would have been nice if Nancy and Kevin had paid their faithful customers the courtesy of informing them of the decion; I can find no mention of it either on nsclean's website or BOClean's Gladiator forum. Yes and I do feel very badly. This has happened to me on more then one occasion. Sygate is the first to come to mind. One of the reasons I hate purchasing software seems like whenever I do it gets bought out or turns into bloat and gets completely ruined. |
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centacre
join:2003-03-17
Cypress, TX
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Oh, no! One of the last hold-outs gets swallowed. We'll see what happens, but I too don't have a good feeling about this. When javacool goes this way, then it's time to pack it up, or maybe get a Mac.  |
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Graycode
join:2006-04-17
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I wish the very best for the BoClean group. They've provided a great package and excellent support for many years now. I hope Comodo paid a fair price and appreciate what they're getting.
I don't comprehend why Comodo wants to give out BoClean for free though  |
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zteardrop
join:2005-12-20
Brooklyn, NY | reply to rotty97
As expected. No surprise here. There is no free food, everyone has to make a living and at some point everyone sells out. |
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MarkAW
Barry White or lil bratt
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join:2001-08-27
Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
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said by tempnexus :Aww fck! Yeap there goes another one. I predict about 7 months to 1 year of Boclean quality and then bleh...failings due to the pressure of the bigger company and eventual ineffective bloat ware.  I am sad very very very sad. I agree with tempnexus this is a bad move for BOClean. Now that it is going to be free watch how all these hacked version start showing up on the net. 
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SpannerITWks
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join:2005-04-22
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This is brilliant news for anyone who has never had BOClean, as now they will be able to install it for Free. And the fact that it runs along nicely with other security software is a bonus too.
I Can confirm that support for Win 9x will be continue i'm pleased to say !
Kevin will be kept very busy coding the brand new gear.
Some of you might not be aware that Kevin has been working almost non stop every day, evey week, every month for years on it's customers behalf, and mostly on his own. Both he and Nancy havn't had a holiday for years either. So now it's their turn to reap some rewards, and for that much needed long over due and well deserved quality time at last.
I wish Kevin and Nancy and Commodo all the best for the future.
Spanner
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | reply to rotty97
AFT!
A trial (at least) has been needed for... ever!
Freebie now?
Cool! Might install it and see what it does.
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jack b
Gone Fishing
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join:2000-09-08
Cape Cod
clubs:
·Comcast
| BOClean has always had a trial
...in a sense, since...forever,
in the form of a no-questions-money-back-guarantee.
I can't recall ever seeing threads, where people had a rant about, or didn't get satisfaction from NSClean.
On another note, I wish nothing but the best for Nancy and Kevin, (and Company) and hope the new owners have the same passion for the program and customer base which they have acquired.
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Mowergun
join:2004-02-15
Charleston, IL | reply to SpannerITWks
Re: Comodo acquires BOClean
I am glad to hear that support for 9x will continue.  |
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jaykaykay
4 Ever Young
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join:2000-04-13
Scottsdale, AZ
·Speakeasy
| reply to rotty97
I am delighted and am going to look at this as something positive all the way around until and if I see otherwise. I am most pleased for Kevin and Nancy, knowing how hard they have both worked to make and keep BOC such a good program with such wonderful support as it has been. I am presuming that they sold well and will continue to do well. I am also presuming that Comodo and BOC will now both continue to be the great products that they have been with Kevin aboard. Looking at it from the positive side, how can we go wrong, those of us who have chosen to use one or both of these programs. I choose to think and be positive until such time I am proven to be wrong. Way to go for everyone involved!!!
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to jack b
Re: BOClean has always had a trial
said by jack b :...in a sense, since...forever, in the form of a no-questions-money-back-guarantee. I can't recall ever seeing threads, where people had a rant about, or didn't get satisfaction from NSClean. On another note, I wish nothing but the best for Nancy and Kevin, (and Company) and hope the new owners have the same passion for the program and customer base which they have acquired. No, you see... I would have had to shell out money/credit in some form without knowing if it would even run on my machine.
Return policy or not... not happening!
I can recall at least one "bad" experience of return from NSClean:
»BOClean not processing my refund!!
YES! It was resolved... but that is a headache I would rather not fight with.
YMMV.
*I* prefer to see the program, install it, test thrash it to make sure that is plays nice with my machine and everything that is here running - THEN I decide whether or not to buy it.
Trials sell products.
No trial, no sale.
No idea if it will play nice, not paying *ANYONE* a penny until I know it will work on my machine.
Seeing as how limited the program is(no scanner other than a single file?)... not that interested.
No trial on top of that shortcoming? I'll pass!
What other security app out there practices this no trial idea?
Ever wonder why?
No offense, but from *MY* point of view, NSClean has been shorting themselves all this time.
LOTS of people want to see the item first!
Oh well, huh?
Now I will get to see if it does anything that *I* deem valuable. For FREE!
Looking at it all from my point of view, I doubt that I will need it.
My weekly scans(with more scanners than most people can imagine) turns up - cookies! BFD, huh?
Something is happening on these laptops of mine that keeps things off of them.
Is it me? Doubt it! LOL!
Is it SpywareBlaster? Could be!
Is it avast? Also, could be!
Is it Outpost? Who knows...
Those three items are All I use(SB doesn't run)... you make the call!
I don't get bad guys on these machines - for whatever reason!
I'm ok with that, ya know?
Don't realistically see BOClean becoming a part of my running apps... but ya never know.
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Mowergun
join:2004-02-15
Charleston, IL
·Consolidated Commu..
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Re: Comodo acquires BOClean
said by Kevin :
Strange legal situation for us under New York State law - we got sued a number of years ago over a backdoor turned "commercial" called "Netbus" ... every other vendor caved to their "do not detect us" demand whereas we stood up to them in agreeing to offer removal as an "option" rather than a promise. Our legal basis for the precedent was that we were not legally considered a "common carrier" by nature of our not distributing our software to the "general public" and legally, that constituted the equivalent of a "private club" wherein we were required to satisfy the requirements of our "members" as to what we covered. Long and thin of it was that we are not held to the same legal standards as "publicly available" software. That's always been our ace in the hole over the years, and the reason why when certain "spyware" companies threatened us, we could legally thumb our noses at their requests NOT to detect them on the basis of "our customers can choose to exclude and not detect."
To our lawyers, if we cross that line and "go public" with a freebie, then that precedent could be eroded.
This is what concerns me.
Anyway, I wish Kevin and Nancy the best. You have given me my money's worth many times over. I will choose to remain optimistic about the future. |
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Ryan
Premium
join:2001-03-03
Attleboro, MA
| said by Mowergun : said by Kevin :
Strange legal situation for us under New York State law - we got sued a number of years ago over a backdoor turned "commercial" called "Netbus" ... every other vendor caved to their "do not detect us" demand whereas we stood up to them in agreeing to offer removal as an "option" rather than a promise. Our legal basis for the precedent was that we were not legally considered a "common carrier" by nature of our not distributing our software to the "general public" and legally, that constituted the equivalent of a "private club" wherein we were required to satisfy the requirements of our "members" as to what we covered. Long and thin of it was that we are not held to the same legal standards as "publicly available" software. That's always been our ace in the hole over the years, and the reason why when certain "spyware" companies threatened us, we could legally thumb our noses at their requests NOT to detect them on the basis of "our customers can choose to exclude and not detect."
To our lawyers, if we cross that line and "go public" with a freebie, then that precedent could be eroded.
This is what concerns me. Anyway, I wish Kevin and Nancy the best. You have given me my money's worth many times over. I will choose to remain optimistic about the future. I believe with the way comodo does things you will still have to register with an email and name. By registering you are joining their "club" which is no different then bocleans current status except the price will be $0. |
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Jimbo40
Premium
join:2001-01-07
New York, NY | reply to rotty97
This is very sad news indeed.
I will no longer be using the product. I wish Kevin and Nancy all the best and thank than for their support, hard work and dedication in a product they truly believed in. Good luck to both of you. |
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Ryan
Premium
join:2001-03-03
Attleboro, MA
1 edit | reply to rotty97
SAID BY COMODO CEO Melih »forums.comodo.com/index.php?topic=7549.15
"Well, we will continue with the whole product range. We will make available sizeable amount of resources to Kevin so that he can take all these products to next level. Kevin will be responsible (as he was) for taking these products to next level and we as Comodo will support him fully by enabling much more resources for him.
All we want to do is to continue the great tradition that Kevin & Nancy has successfully carried out and enable Kevin to make his products even better. He just has more resources to achieve it now."
So kevin is also working with comodo now. This might not be as bad as everyone thinks. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to Mowergun
Who? Netbus? |
avast has a hissyfit! 
This is the All New "LEGIT" critter... avast don't like it!
I can't do anything with the file... avast locks and kills it!
Could some of y'all with other AVs see what they do with the new netbus download?
Thanks!
»www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=NetBus
AVs are getting more agressive everyday. Sorry, but if the AV(s) y'all are using is allowing crap to get past to where ya need something like BOClean... turn it up a bit!
Maybe, replace it!
the avast I am using is a freebie!
I have it turned up a little past default.
I don't get s*** on my laptops!
EDIT: AVG/Ewido don't like Netbus either!
asquared doesn't like Netbus...
Any other scanner I should throw at it while I have avast turned off?
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Mowergun
join:2004-02-15
Charleston, IL | You missed the point. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | No, I did not!
Netbus is a critter that is bad, from ANY point of view!
Many scanners DO see it as "bad".
BOClean is not the only app that sees Netbus as "bad".
so far, I have 5 different apps that see Netbus as "bad"... even Outpost's scanner!
Second item that I didn't miss from your post:
Keven stated(whenever) that it wouild erode the precedent about telling Netbus off and still detecting it if a freebie was ever released.
Sorry, but some freebies *DO* detect it!
Pretty sure BOClean will also still detect it when it is released as a freebie.
Pay vs Free means nothing!
It either works, or it does not work.
This is just PROOF that we are all human and we all have the capability of making untrue remarks and violating our own principles.
Kinda sucks, huh?
You know the saying - "Money talks... "
I run my machine by the seat of my pants.
Don't care what anyone says about anything!
*I* thrash s***!
If it works *HERE* on *MY* machines... that's what matters *TO ME*.
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