Re: Comodo acquires BOClean in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18075799 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:14:17 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:14:17 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18151138 Kiwi : Trojans & virus activity seems relevant to a preponderance of stupidity, in surfing habits.

The larger picture are those programs that have a propensity to ASPI hook into your personal realm; meaning those that have no moral issue in accessing your pass worded material. Evident when one installs a program & utilizes that programs email log in~ sign in. -Is it only me that finds it strange that in such a circumstance, when prompted for a sign in....I notice secure log in features [Like a user_name] that's not ever been part of the picture for THAT program or log in, but is for another AND secure site?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18151138 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:35:58 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18146931 anon : "From a financial point of view, the other way around would be far more likely."

We'll see. ;) Muahahahahaha. :D :D :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18146931 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:20:45 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18143924 anon :
quote:
Hey Comodo guys, can you buy NOD32 next so I can get free copy of that too?


From a financial point of view, the other way around would be far more likely. So keep on dreaming :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18143924 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:46:10 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18143063 Buddel : Eset has always made sure that NOD32

(1) is light on resources
(2) is compatible even with older operating systems
(3) runs very smoothly on most machines
(4) detects almost all sorts of malware.

If NOD32 belonged to Comodo, I'm not too sure whether this AV would still be as good as it has always been. And yes, the four points I mentioned above also apply to BOClean. What's more, BOClean support has always been fantastic. Will we also get this top-notch support now that BOClean belongs to Comodo? I have my doubts...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18143063 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:22:07 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18142967 dadkins :
said by Buddel See Profile :

said by morgan edge :

Hey Comodo guys, can you buy NOD32 next ...
I do hope this will never happen.
Why is that Buddel?
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said by morgan edge :

Hey Comodo guys, can you buy NOD32 next ...
I do hope this will never happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18142824 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:41:48 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18142749 Be1ge : No not yet but Kevin is working on it.
There is now a Comodo BOClean forum over at the Comodo website where Kevin posts daily.
He mentioned something about "getting it out" or "getting it out right" then said when BOClean is ready everyone will know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18142749 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:31:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18142624 anon : So is the free Comodo BOClean out yet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18142624 Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:08:29 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18114175 anon : Hey Comodo guys, can you buy NOD32 next so I can get free copy of that too? Now that would be kewl. :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18114175 Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:24:25 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18114110 Psicop : Kevin,

Thanks for being straight forward otherwise you wouldn't post either in here or at Wilders in the first place.

Yes the key question is the one you stated right at the beginning of your post:

YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY COMPETE AGAINST A FREEBIE.

Look at the magic 3 for example: Avast-AVG-Antivir.

What's the point of paying $60 bucks a year when you have basically the same product in free form.

Let me tell you the only investment I made in this machine is my "near-industrial-strength router", and let me assure you nothing gets past it even when I surfed well into the dark side for testing purposes. But the router is only one more layer, there are others as well which are in essence: Limited account, tightened OS and "neural-gymnastics." ;)

You did what you had to do, and that is called: feed your stomach first. I still can't believe the fact of some consumers whining for your decision. I guess they need to invest not in a product but in a process itself, and IMO BoClean is not the answer.

Good luck in your new venture.

Regards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18114110 Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:00:17 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18113947 rotty97 : Kevin, why is the aim to go deeper into the Kernel?? Windows Vista has locked the Kernel will your new technique work with Vista?

Personally i think going into the kernel at all is not a future-proof solution and is about as effective in the long term as using signature based scanning ONLY (Signature scanning is usually less damaging to the users computer than kernel mode anti-stuff).

Without asking too much info, your new technique sounds like you are almost just loading the OS into a VM session???

Would your technique resist being loaded into a VM session??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18113947 Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:30:17 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18113869 anon : I've never heard of BOClean till now but i definitely know, from what I've been reading, is that it has done a damn good job and will continue to do a damn good job. BOClean is not the miracle software that will protect you from ALL the internet roaches but has and will continue to do what it's first intention was to do from the beginning, it may change it's way of handling things but the same goal is still there. Is there really a one-software-fix-all? I don't think there is. BOClean may not be ritcher35, dadkins, or even my cup of tea, but to each his own. What it boils down to is that BOClean has helped many ppl, from it's history i don't doubt that it has helped thousands of ppl, and will continue to help ppl regardless. In conclusion, even though I've never used BOClean, probably because I've never heard of it before cus' i do like to tweak :D, I give BOClean props and respect for the commitment and dedication to accomplish and maintain it's goals. Two thumbs up! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18113869 Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:58:21 EDT Long boring one... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18112936 richter35 : *Somehow I know this is going to end up being taken harshly, but here it goes*

Thanks Kevin for replying in this thread. I for one used to visit Wilders daily a couple of years ago, but certain things took me off it. It's excellent resource on various software, tips, news and all, but BBR seems more balanced when it comes to discussions, to me.

Anyway, as others have said, you have to forgive us for being skeptical about Comodo. While they might not be a startup, they're rather new in this area (firewall/antivirus). It's better to be somewhat reserved than being blind follower. While they might have good intentions, they're first and foremost a company, and a company is driven by profits rather than altruistic deeds.

I don't agree with comments on saying that you sold out or that this is about money. In the end it is. You did not have enough resources aka funds to let BOClean thrive in direction you wanted it. This is not a bad thing. You're a person who works, has to pay his bills and needs to have some fun. It's better that you made sure it lives on rather than following the footsteps of other companies in AT business. I was astonished how unprofessionally DiamondCS handled their situation and the way they pulled out. While I won't comment on this and do not wish to start discussion related to it, I have huge respect for you as person looking how this situation is being handled.

Regarding BOClean itself. You probably feel like Galileo Galilei trying to explain the crowd that the Earth is not in the center of the universe. I somehow get your point and the way you try to tell us that what we believe how things should be done is passé. However, I know that you take different approach from the others. You diversified your software in a way that it doesn’t scan everything it moves, but rather that it should jump in when it’s really necessary, keeping resource load on minimum and nourishing the approach “don’t get infected in the first place”. All that is excellent and totally understandable.

The thing is that we’re not on same frequency. The reason why 99.99% of people will think different from you is that 99.99% of software do things that way. You are marketing BOClean as software which is used in conjunction with customer’s regular AV, and acts only when your AVs resident scanner does not detect malware. That sounds perfect. Then comes ignoramus like me and asks himself – If I already have good AV scanner with good detection rate, why do I need to run separate software to cover its back? Are “wasted” resources justifiable if I already well protected (patched system, firewall, AV, reading info on latest threats…)? How good this software really is (detection rate) vs other software of same kind? And number of other questions. Do note, I’m not asking these questions…I’m just saying that I ask myself this when I decide if I would want to use it. The truth is, computers get infected. Computers need to get disinfected. Tools of that kind are high on demand. While BOClean might be excellent software, it might not appeal to everyone no matter how much everyone would like it. Set as forget approach is excellent, but can you guarantee that unlike AVs, BOClean will catch everything (of course you can’t but that’s the general feeling when discussing this little gem)? It is signature based like the rest of the crowd, therefore is dependant on how quickly can it get updated to detect new nasties. I have no idea about technology/engines and all that. I’m not competent to talk about that (and probably about anything in this matter anyway). The truth is that BOClean might be great at what it does, and from user feedback it is, I find the range it covers a bit narrow. Don’t bite my head off for stating this without any evidence. As trivial and faulty it might be, I've never see any comparison which was not possible due to nature of this software. I can't wait until someone compares it against others once it is available for everyone. The main “issue” with BOClean is that, while it’s light and it’s great to protect system, it’s coverage is not wide enough to have it running solely by itself thus taking advantage of your approach on detaching nasties when they pose real threat. You still need other software to cover spyware/viruses - as BOClean is primarily an AT, I am not stating it does not detect other type of malware, just generalizing situation here a bit. Ten years ago it might have been bar none, but most AV these days are being multifunctional and do detect all kind of malware rather than just viruses like they used to thus running additional AT scanner makes little sense. Since “both” are signatures based, it’s just a matter of time who gets it first.

I may be totally wrong and I know most will disagree which is irrelevant as we’re having discussion. Even if we do step away a bit from some of us arguing whether or not we want AV/AT scanner to detect malware before it gets on your system, having it scanned constantly or just when it gets executed. The question being is BOClean all that better and superior in pure detection and malware coverage than what others are already offering? So far I have seen nothing but hearsay. And I am not trying to offend anyone here. BOClean has excellent reputation, which is something you have to earn and can loose easily. However, being focused on certain type of malware makes it less appealing for average Joe than some solution which offers better all around protection. Now, I know I’ll get replies to use multi-layered approach, and how BOClean is just addition to your AV scanner… The spectrum of BOClean (to my knowledge, and again I’m not competent to discuss its detection abilities) is rather narrow, AVs aren’t what they used to be and you no longer have to pull AV companies by their shirt to convince them that Trojans and spyware pose much greater threat than virus. They have resources, they are catching up and are getting better at it. So how can BOClean compare to competition? Is it unfair to compare others? How can you compare the two as anyone can argue that it’s not meant to be first line defense at all. I will argue if I really need second line defense as AVs are getting better and better in field that was once exclusive to BOClean/TrojanHunter and the gang. Once pure (correct me if I’m wrong) Trojan scanners (Ewido) evolving in all around mastodon which is capable to do a lot against tougher threats like spyware and trojans. Regular users don’t know about multilayer defense. They probably never heard of BOclean, they are less likely to use multiple solution that “do the same thing”.

To somehow sum up as I’m going way too broad than I wanted to be in the first place. Regardless of the way software functions – on-access ‘80s style or 23rd century memory/kernel only style (totally up to user user – some people here use “stone age” type of application and who am I to say it is worse than brand new vista style with shiny icons program of same/similar purpose), I just don’t see the advantage of BOClean to what others already offer. The way things progress nowadays the situation in which only BOClean will have definition for something good AV won’t, and taking into consideration most people don’t get infected with uber new just coded 5 minutes ago malware is rather unlikely makes BOClean… somewhat redundant, IMO. I know I’ll get 100 replies on success stories where BOClean saved their back for this sentence alone, but then again…I have no proof those are really true. BOClean did come as a champ in catching some nasties over past few years that I’ve read and seen videos of, but the glory did not last long before every major vendor caught up. Now…those things happen, but rare. We can spend 100 years talking what will happen if…but generally speaking, is it really needed to run something all the time when it will jump in once in 5 years. Most here will say yes, but I personally don’t. And even if something gets passed through, I will have a shot at fixing with something that does detect it – the 80s style – with on-demand scanner. You can argue that it’s redundant, it’s not needed…but truth is, it does come in handy when you do need it and not all of us deal with malware as their hobby and like to keep everything off – active or not. It’s just like with a supercar. Why do you need a car that can go 400km/h when you can’t achieve top speed on “any” road/highway and regular car will get you anywhere as well and can achieve its potential with ease. While my analogy could be/is flawed, the point is that you have a choice. It has nothing to do with paranoia, some people like apples while others like oranges. Why should I believe one way is the only way/the best to go? I personally won’t.

*Sorry to put you all to sleep with non-eloquent, poorly written, even worse elaborated post with utterly long sentences which you will have to blame my mother tongue for *

‘Night all. Kevin all the best with Comodo and keep it up despite Judas like me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18112936 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:43:34 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18112021 dadkins :
said by K McAleavey See Profile :



No offense intended here, but it's always been amazing how low the bar has been for so-called "security experts" in forums.


Yep! Sure is! ;)

Good thing I have *NEVER* even eluded to be an expert on security! ;)

I try software.
I put it up against REAL malware.
If something is great, I will say "It's Great!".
If something sucks, I will say "It Sucks!".
There is a certain product/company I like.
They let me trial a new product.
Well, it sucked!
I TOLD them it sucked! Because, it *DID* suck!

I have never had a chance to try your BOC until recently.
No punches pulled here Kevin, so far... :huh:
The only thing it has seen that my AV didn't, was Gibson's Leak Test - a firewall test.

I have other software here that. IMO, is better than your product! Sorry.

I will continue to test thrash on that poor machine and see if BOC ever proves itself.

You still haven't addressed my question - doesn't BOC receive signature updates?
Wouldn't that put BOC also into the "signature-based mentality" that you dislike?

Whatever friend!
I hope you and COMODO do work out, and you get to improve THEIR software!

Have a great evening Kevin!
David

EDIT: In response to the NetBus querry...
No, I couldn't run it!
BOC wouldn't let me run it. What does that tell you?
Problem is though, I had to kill my AV before I could even download it!
Once downloaded, if I re-enabled the AV... detected and deleted.
Ok, leave AV off... extract the NetBus exe... BOC didn't flinch.
Clicked the NetBus exe... BOC stopped it.

So... it seems that I have a new monitor progran that detects an old ass exe... if,for whatever reason, my AV is ever turned off(HINT: AV is never turned off except to test... a new program)... I'm covered?
I can have that with other residents.

You see, the NetBus excuse it tired.
It is better IMO to never let that kind of crap on the machine instead of relying(I don't rely or trust anything) on something to catch it when/if it runs.

With AV off and BOC on, I can download god knows what.
With AV on, I can't even download these items.

So tell me/us again, what sets BOC apart from... other resident AT/AS/AM/A? programs...

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What I'd suggest is to let the dust settle, it's certainly better than any of our "competitors" are even as it lays. And once I don't have to be stuck in a lab for 30 hour shifts (32 tonight) any longer once my teams replace me with doing the malware, I'll FINALLY have time to do the coding again and get us back where we should be. All a matter of priorities and situations that were beyond my control. Until LAST WEEK.

Yeah, BOClean ain't what it used to be as far as leading edge goes ... that's why we HAD to do what we did or just pull the plug. Give it a shot and enjoy your freebie (or not) ... as I said enough already, "anti-anything" is *SO* 1980's. Same for your favorite AV. There's better answers and they're ALREADY getting coded, that's why I'm still awake. And those will be out sooner rather than later.

But in all fairness, I've read what your expectations are and you STILL don't understand the purpose or the design. And as far as that netbus silliness you posted a couple of days ago - you put up a windows folder with netbus.exe icon in it. You *ARE* aware owing to your critical expertise in all of this that NETBUS.EXE is the "client and builder" and NOT the actual trojan itself? You DID run NETBUS.EXE and "create server" and then run it to actually test BOClean?

You DID, right? :)

No offense intended here, but it's always been amazing how low the bar has been for so-called "security experts" in forums.
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Makers of BOClean]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111936 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:33:37 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111768 dadkins : No offense Kevin, but doesn't BOC get Signature updates too?

I wish you nothing but the best... but some of the things you and your fellow BOC users post is humorous.

I have a running copy of BOC(don't ask) and I am sorry to say, I'm not impressed.
It does not live up to all the posts that I have read over the years.

I currently cannot say whether or not it is a necessary product.
First impressions though, now that I CAN try it, not too great - *SO FAR*.

We shall see...

Thanks to _________________ for giving me a chance to finally TRIAL BOClean. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111768 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:52:00 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111708 mers2 :
said by K McAleavey See Profile :

Whoops! Sticky fingers after too many hours once again ... you're correct ... I'm STILL trying to figure out how to pronounce his LAST name but am too embarassed to ask. :)

But the misspelling does help me to pronounce it properly to his face and I *really* like the guy and don't want to get that wrong too. Me needs sleep but dropped by and couldn't believe that all the naysaying was still going on in earnest. :(
As I said, every company needs to earn the respect. Comodo is relatively new and their AV has been quite buggy, though the firewall is getting there. Can't wait to see what v. 3 is. Nothing has been known about Melhi's integrity. The response was only natural. With you aboard, and as Comodo improves and becomes more well known I have no doubt that will happen.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111708 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:39:55 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111685 mers2 : You have MUCH more integrity than some of your former competitors - for which we are all extremely grateful. :)

And yes, the "nasties" are getting more evil than most imagined possible so I'm happy you'll have the time and money to fight the good fight. And more people will be able to protect themselves with BoClean being free.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111685 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:35:25 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111666 K McAleavey : Whoops! Sticky fingers after too many hours once again ... you're correct ... I'm STILL trying to figure out how to pronounce his LAST name but am too embarassed to ask. :)

But the misspelling does help me to pronounce it properly to his face and I *really* like the guy and don't want to get that wrong too. Me needs sleep but dropped by and couldn't believe that all the naysaying was still going on in earnest. :(
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Makers of BOClean]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111666 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:31:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111593 anon : Hi Kevin,

Isn't is Melih not Mehli?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111593 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:18:14 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111580 K McAleavey : THANKS, guy! I know we've both been on opposite sides of reality and I'll be the first to admit that with so MUCH malware and me being the only one left to do all of the work the past many months, BOClean has been forced to languish as a result of no time for code. There was a LOT of good kernel code that I never had time to complete and for now, first thing we do is some minor imrpovements to 4.22 for release as COMODO BOClean 4.23 in order to honor the change. Once all of this malware analysis is off my butt, FIRST order of business is to finish so much code I'd started only to never have the time to finish. As soon as that's done we'll finally HAVE our "5.0" that we never had a chance to do.

And once THAT'S done, COMODO's AV will become like BOClean ... but one thing done properly at a time. Look to COMODO's firewall, BOClean's lost cookies will be in there probably before it hits the AV ... so many things in a state of flux, so little time. :)

While we were shopping around looking for money to keep BOClean lit, we showed a number of other companies a very rudimentary bit of code where a piece of the future BOClean came up before the kernel itself. But knowing that if those we showed it to didn't buy us or fund us, they'd have the rosetta stone itself. Now that belongs to COMODO who got to see the ENTIRE code of what WE code-named "ROOTO" ... heh. Pity there's so many hosers in this "business" who couldn't see beyond their same old tired tactics and "me too, AV's do this, this is the ONLY way to go."

4.23 will not be THAT much of an improvement. Once I don't have to do malware anymore, THEN we fire off the afterburners and that should be done in a couple of months or less. I'd rather put the serious stuff into what's already a winner, COMODO's firewall for now and then bring that AV up to something that will embarass Eugene.

Sorry, but Yuri's compiler is STILL broken ... if you KNOW what to look for. (grin)
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Makers of BOClean]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111580 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:14:30 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111547 fatdcuk : Hey Kev

First off congratulations for seeking to better your software and now best of all making it free so it will be more widely used and protect many more folks on the WWW :)

You mention Yuri and his bots,glad you've been all over his creations with a size 12 stomp but what i am curious to know is how long before BOC can whoop PE386's A,B and C Rustock's ?

Yuri's creation's as of yet do not bypass software firewalls,Rustock dose and as such represent a bigger security risk should they become more widespread.

I mentioned it before but can't help that Yuri's freinds missed a trick putting out Wincom32 and not Rustock B as the dropped bot,although admittebly there are still so many victims out there still backdoored by it :(

Anyhows all the best in your new lab and where can i send new specimens for your inspection once the free version has been released ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111547 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:05:21 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111523 K McAleavey : Comodo HAS a BOClean forum now - sorry I haven't even had time to open an account there where I *work* ... heh. My FIRST order of business is working with a crew of VERY talented analysts who have AMAZED me in their ability to grasp what I've taught them *SO* quickly ... I'm expecting that somewhere by this coming weekend, I'll not need to be doing that anymore, they're THAT capable now that they've learned my tricks. And that will be a GREAT burden off my shoulders after all these years!

But I'd encourage people to go over there, and say what you're saying here and on Wilders and elsewhere. Nancy and I would have NEVER done this were it not for the fact that Mehli has demonstrated to us the sincerity of HIS commitment and that of an absolutely WONDERFUL bunch of people he's surrounded himself with before he ever talked to us. I've listened to the concerns of others before stepping into there and he's satisfactorily explained each and every question to me and Nancy.

Lemme put it to you THIS way ... if any of this was about MONEY, I was offered *multiple* six figures by 180 solutions and a few of the "Russkies" with all nancy and I know to write rootkits, burden people with malware and get RICH doing so. It would have been WAY too easy if that was where we were at. And just got ANOTHER offer just yesterday to "go over to the dark side" ... for all some of our competitors have raised as bogus issues about my "morals" in years past, proof is in the pudding and ten years of it. I *starved* (quite literally) doing what I've been doing. And while I won't be rich doing what I'm going to be doing, at least I will be able to sleep at night (for a change, heh) KNOWING that I'll be continuing to keep my word (same for Nancy) and neither of us will have to worry about stab wounds in the middle of the night either. :)

COMODO has actually been around for almost as long as PSC has, just doing different things. Now that they're making some money, Mehli has the opportunity to SPEND some of that doing what WE believe in. If WE were still making money like we did in the 90's, we'd be doing the SAME thing out of gratitude for having money to do it with. The problems with the net are unfortunately the result of people having little or no protection on their machines in the first place. And having LESS of a clue. What's got US psyched is that if BOClean and the other things we've had to sit on owing to lack of time can be given away for free and COMODO can attract corporate money in what they otherwise do, then it's truly win-win for everyone. THAT feels GOOD after all we've been through the past few years!

But should COMODO break their promise (no worries about it here) then I am outta there in a heartbeat ... yeah, they bought our reputation but I can't reveal what other morsels they've bought that we were stuck sitting on the past couple of years owing to the inability to find the time to develop it. Read Mehli's comments once again ... THIS is the big promise ... all that undone code will FINALLY get done and it is every bit as significant as what BOClean meant in 1997.

Better stop lest it start smelling like potted meat ... but compare where we've ended up compared to my good friend and colleague Uncle Wayne and TDS ... compare to what's left of "The Cleaner" ... THEY were our "competitors" back when we started and we were ALL close friends. No room or interest in "cut-throat" back then, there was WORK to be done that the biggies weren't doing. And what was ALL of our collective rewards? Ask a brontosaurus. :(

And what's left today now among those we leave behind for a better solution? Same old, same old. Nah, this is another century ... it DESERVES a better answer.
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Makers of BOClean]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111523 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:58:47 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111494 StraitShoot :
said by K McAleavey See Profile :

I've been hired up to make COMODO's AV better, I'll be in charge of that.
Hell it needs it!

Comodo's AV was very weak and what a memory hog! I'll be watching this baby like a hawk,...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111494 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:51:13 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111463 madirish :
said by K McAleavey See Profile :

Heh. Nah, this mad Irishman will be the first to tell you that BOClean is merely another continuation of the SAME problem as the AV's and all the other "anti-whatevers"
I never used your product and I just wanted to ask you some simple questions-things I didn't understand,I had gotten interested in BOClean from this thread-thanks anyway and good luck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111463 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:44:13 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111422 mers2 :
said by K McAleavey See Profile :


What we always WANTED to do (but were bogged down supporting this 1980's mentality and 1990's mentality) was to PREVENT nasties from ever happening in the first place. So now, with COMODO taking us and our stuff in, we can continue our faith with those who gave us money AND we can now finally turn our focus to things nobody else has even considered doing ... I'm serious here ... the BEST is YET to come!

And nobody got hurt ... aside from *US* ...
Kevin, Thanks for replying here. You'll have to understand the negativity towards Comodo as they are relatively new - and unlike yourself, have yet to prove themselves. Only a natural response when a valuable, trusted product gets sold to a company not really known. I think you and Nancy quieted a lot of that with assurances you are still behind the product and are vouching for Comodo.

You and Nancy have provided an excellent product with outstanding service for years. Many thanks and best wishes for the future. Comodo better keep it's word, or it will have a lot of us who love BoClean and care about you and Nancy to answer to. :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111422 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:34:54 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111397 K McAleavey : Heh. Nah, this mad Irishman will be the first to tell you that BOClean is merely another continuation of the SAME problem as the AV's and all the other "anti-whatevers" ... the ONE thing that made us different from the rest was that I didn't even BOTHER with a "scanner" in our design because if everyone shares the same signature-based mentality and went for the file system, and the ONLY difference between one file scanner and another was how quickly a signature got added (and we did well there) then why (aside from a couple of day's time) would you expect US to find a new variant when whatever you were using didn't either?

In OUR design, we didn't really bother with the file system since if the AV missed it, we probably would have too ... we went for the kernel and system memory. And in the past few years, some others have seen our wisdom and adopted it as well in THEIR stuff. What TRULY made us different was that instead of just grabbing some random strings and made signatures out of them, we took the trouble to actually LEARN our opponents and concentrated on *their* unique traits. That's what allowed us to anticipate their next move and those things they wouldn't change.

For all the sheer volume of nasties, there really aren't all THAT many "hired guns" out there writing malware. If there's 200 total, I'd be impressed. But the various authors who do this are pretty consistent in their METHODS and that's what BOClean concentrated on. Same dewd who wrote Gromozon, VXGames, Zlobs, DollarRevenues and Cabanieris is the exact same dewd who wrote "STORM" recently. I believe his name is Yuri and he's in Ukraine. Does things that have ALWAYS been consistent for analysts who bothered to spot the configuration problem in his compiler once you remove the randomizers he uses to fool file scanners and break the QWAP out of "generic unpackers" used by the Anti's ... but in MEMORY his stuff is always the same and it's been going on for three years now.

So SHOULD you dump your AV, AT, A-hole, whatever? Not yet ... but thanks to Mehli and COMODO, the day when I will actually ENCOURAGE that isn't very far away ... COMODO has a firewall and some VERY talented folks ... and the SOLUTION is going to be in the 3 version of COMODO's firewall. :)

And then ... it'll get EVEN BETTER! I've been hired up to make COMODO's AV better, I'll be in charge of that. BOClean will be a standalone as always, and it will be in the AV which will give me file hooks we never had. But the whole purpose of this is SOLELY to assuage the mindset that you've got to scan for files and be a bit more successful at that. But the bottom line is, why let them get infected in the FIRST place? :)

OK, so what I bring is a mop and a pail to add to all this since that's what people have come to expect since the 80's. Like I said though, we're going to turn the world on its ear with what's already in the pipe. And then we collectively "get serious" about it from there. I have SEEN the future, and it's going to be a whole lot better than it is now.
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Makers of BOClean]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111397 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:27:45 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111383 Name Game :
said by madirish See Profile :

Thanks NG but I wanted Kevin to reply (no offense to you)-cause I also wanted to ask him about Heuristics
I do not take offense..not even to a question as yours..but now you do have the answer..and if you go to the Privacy Software Corporation site you will read the same. So now ask the specific question you have in mind about heuristics.

:D
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said by Name Game See Profile :

said by madirish See Profile :

said by K McAleavey See Profile :

"File scanning" was a waste of time (you're going to look for a problem ONLY when your machine is SO hosed you finally noticed?) ten years ago ... and what we offered was way ahead of its time THEN. As a "backup" to your AV which should have stopped it in the first place but obviously didn't (as many can attest from personal experience) ... this isn't the 80's anymore, it isn't even the 90's anymore.
Hi Kevin.Are you saying that we should dump our AV,AT then and only use BOClean?

Not trying to start anything-I just really want to know.

edit:added "you"
No he did not..he said your AV should have stopped it and BOClean was then your back up. Many times the AV with it name type sigs..not updated fast enough missed many badboys in any real time protection..while BOClean then caught them.

Kevin always advocated..keep your AV and AT..BOClean was your back up.
Thanks NG but I wanted Kevin to reply (no offense to you)-cause I also wanted to ask him about Heuristics]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111344 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:17:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111317 Name Game :
said by madirish See Profile :

said by K McAleavey See Profile :

"File scanning" was a waste of time (you're going to look for a problem ONLY when your machine is SO hosed you finally noticed?) ten years ago ... and what we offered was way ahead of its time THEN. As a "backup" to your AV which should have stopped it in the first place but obviously didn't (as many can attest from personal experience) ... this isn't the 80's anymore, it isn't even the 90's anymore.
Hi Kevin.Are you saying that we should dump our AV,AT then and only use BOClean?

Not trying to start anything-I just really want to know.

edit:added "you"
No he did not..he said your AV should have stopped it and BOClean was then your back up. Many times the AV with it name type sigs..not updated fast enough missed many badboys in any real time protection..while BOClean then caught them.

Kevin always advocated..keep your AV and AT..BOClean was your back up.
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Best to you both my friend..glad you have the ability now to continue "flipping switches and circuit breakers" before the compressor get's up to speed ..big hugs to bingbong. ;)
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Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/ Missing Kids »www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111291 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:05:48 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111250 madirish :
said by K McAleavey See Profile :

"File scanning" was a waste of time (you're going to look for a problem ONLY when your machine is SO hosed you finally noticed?) ten years ago ... and what we offered was way ahead of its time THEN. As a "backup" to your AV which should have stopped it in the first place but obviously didn't (as many can attest from personal experience) ... this isn't the 80's anymore, it isn't even the 90's anymore.
Hi Kevin.Are you saying that we should dump our AV,AT then and only use BOClean?

Not trying to start anything-I just really want to know.

edit:added "you"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111250 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:58:19 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111099 K McAleavey : The description of "shopping it around" actually meant that we were looking for funding to remain independent and to have money to hire additional programmers and analysts. However, "file scanning" and "anti-anything" is a software mindset that's been going since the early 1980's and is passe ... and with so many "newbies" who've gotten into this in the last couple of years seeing some sort of goldmine in this (Kaspersky and others doing freebies should be a clue as to how BAD this market is, you CAN'T compete with "free" no matter HOW good you are) has evaporated any potential of investment in us or anyone else.

So the next step was trying to partner with someone else who had resources we could draw upon or an outright sale given that nobody's making any money at this and the workload just kept going further up and up. So our FIRST responsibility was to those who'd paid us and to whom we'd made a promise. Kept us awake TOO many nights ... we didn't want to go the way of TDS and a few others of similar vintage - either pulling the rug out or just giving up while remaining a walking corpse.

I really can't fathom all this negativity - the amount we "cashed out for" isn't going to buy either of us "a place in the sun" here ... it was NEVER about the money, it was about Nancy and my personal responsibility to those "few" who actually paid us to do what we do and our own sense of honor about that and what our "mission" has been for over ten years now.

COMODO, for all the naysaying, has agreed to HONOR our commitment to all AND to ensure that what we'd had to put on the back burner because we just couldn't DO it anymore will see the light of day. "File scanning" was a waste of time (you're going to look for a problem ONLY when your machine is SO hosed you finally noticed?) ten years ago ... and what we offered was way ahead of its time THEN. As a "backup" to your AV which should have stopped it in the first place but obviously didn't (as many can attest from personal experience) ... this isn't the 80's anymore, it isn't even the 90's anymore.

What we always WANTED to do (but were bogged down supporting this 1980's mentality and 1990's mentality) was to PREVENT nasties from ever happening in the first place. So now, with COMODO taking us and our stuff in, we can continue our faith with those who gave us money AND we can now finally turn our focus to things nobody else has even considered doing ... I'm serious here ... the BEST is YET to come!

And nobody got hurt ... aside from *US* ...
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Makers of BOClean]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111099 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:30:08 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18110450 Jer03 : Anyone know when the free BoClean will be available?
Thanks,
Jerry]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18110450 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:12:16 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18108389 Mowergun :
said by Mowergun See Profile :

FROM:
»Re: BO Clean question

Logically I know that kevin and Nancy cannot keep this up forever, someday they will want to retire. Some day some security software company may make them an offer they cannot refuse. I hope that day is a long time in the future.

2006-08-19 12:00:53

Little did I know in August of last year when I made that post, that Kevin and Nancy were already shopping BOClean around. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18108389 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:56:04 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18102667 JTM1051 : Your AV's resident scanner should catch the nasties first and probably never see any action by BOClean until a nasty (trojan/malware) has been encrypted, repacked, patched, hex edited or otherwise modified to be obscure and sneak by AV's defs.

The synopsis at bottom of the BOCLean page:
"Think of your antivirus as a burglar alarm. BOClean is a motion detector."

For a better explanation of how BOClean protects your system, read the first three paragraphs at BOClean in normal operation.

In the "Compatatives" page at AV-Comparatives, scroll down page till you see the "Anti-Trojan Comparative 2006 March 2006".

In the report's section "4. Some questions and answers"
Question 1: If dedicated Anti-Trojan products have lower on-demand detection rates than common Anti-Virus, why it still makes sense to use them?

Answer: Anti-Trojan products may not have the best on-demand detection rates, but usually they offer additional tools to identify active malware or to remove the malware from the system.

Some products have Intrusion Detection Systems to block the malware while execution based on its behaviour (behaviour blockers) or are very good at detecting dialers or spyware (not included in this test). Other Anti-Trojans products may for example have a memory scanner, monitor and clean the registry and/or have tools to monitor start-up programs, current connections, running processes, etc. ..."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18102667 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:47:43 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101807 richter35 : Yes there is no problem, thanks for clarifying that. It does what it does, and it does clean active malware when present upon install. That's what I wanted to hear. I'll stop at that. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101807 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:34:28 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101616 Cudni :
said by r355 :

The "problem" with BOClean, it is only good (correct me if I'm wrong as I have not used it) to stop from getting infected when you run a nasty. ...
...I would like to keep it off my computer in the first place and at least have software have a shot at fixing it. ...
So not a problem then?

Cudni
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Cudni]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101582 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:49:50 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101430 richter35 : Mele20, I know it's BS, and I did not claim there is anything wrong with the software. I merely said I prefer for AV/AT to catch it while I browse folders, even if it's not harmful. I am not mortally afraid of viruses. I do not run anything on-access nor do I scan my email (Gmail and Yahoo filter it anyway). I am aware that malware is not harmful until it's active, but...I can also handle it even if it's detected by my AV and I know that it contains malware. Simply put it on ignore list, but I'd like to be notified nonetheless.

You say I'm wrong and it's BS and yet you confirm that BOClean will not act unless malware is ran. I just don't get it. I just said that it does that and *I* don't like it. And I'm labeled as spreading BS. I did not say it's faulty in any way or that it will not catch infection once executed.

Second, I said it's nothing new...well, unless I am completely wrong (and I am not saying I am not), it doesn't do anything that special that let's say Ewido on-access scanner wouldn't do, or...? *I'm just asking a simple clarification*

Third...I did not state machine would get infected while BOClean was running. I simply asked, which I did not put in a good way for which I apologize as you can clearly see English is not my first language and I'm not Security MVM/MVP, whether or not installing BOClean after infection will make a difference and if it would clean infections already present? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101430 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:21:29 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101332 tempnexus : Exactly it's like CDC being deadly afraid and warning the public about all the viruses it keeps stored for research. The viruses and bacteria have not been disseminated thus cause no threat to the general public as a result they do no have to be reported. However, they will be reported and mitigated as soon as they somehow escape the confinement or are somehow introduced into the general populace.
Same goes for Boclean...Boclean does not care about stuff that can't infect you, it cares about immediate danger items aka the items that are residing in the memory and stealing/dealing/whatever the information you have in your system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101332 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:58:34 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101134 Mele20 :
said by r355 :

The "problem" with BOClean, it is only good (correct me if I'm wrong as I have not used it) to stop from getting infected when you run a nasty. It's hopeless once machine is infected, and it stands still until you actually run something. Some might like this approach and see it as something groundbreaking, but I personally don't (besides, any av/at have on-access scanner anyway). I would like to keep it off my computer in the first place and at least have software have a shot at fixing it.
That's a pile of BS. I have about 500 viruses on my machine. They haven't done diddlysquat to my machine. I'm not concerned about them at all. Why am I not worried? Simple. They are in zip files and I have never unzipped/executed any of them. They are completely harmless until executed. If I did execute any my real time AV would pounce on them and stop them. If any got by my AV and I had BoClean installed it would stop those when they tried to execute.

Unreasonable fear of viruses doesn't make sense. Beginners and average users probably should have an unreasonable fear and that is who the AV companies aim their bloated software at which has http scanners to keep those nasties totally at bay. Those of us who know enough to read and post here should have a more reasonable respect for viruses...fear them but not in a hysterical manner. I once feared them as you appear to do. I had the great fortune to be taught by a master here about how to safely handle them. I don't do much handling like a researcher would because anyone can have a slip-up (and you frequently need to have your AV turned off so you can handle them) and if the AV was turned off when the slipup occured then you better have a current True Image handy.

So, I don't "push my luck" but at the same time, I don't harbour irrational fear of viruses getting anywhere near my computer because I understand that it is only when they are executed that they pose a problem. Under the "master's" tuteledge, I was even able to handle one virus and submit it to my ISP and ISP headquarters in Virginia and then to Symantec and back and forth...lots of handling...because Symantec wasn't detecting and they are the vendor on my ISP's national email gateways. I was sort of amused at how fearful the person dealing with this issue at my ISP's national headquarters in Virginia was regarding my sending the virus to him. The head of local tech support in Hawaii was just as fearful and they set elaborate precautions before I could send it....gee, it was perfectly safe. I zipped it and password protected it, yet because they didn't really understand how a virus infects they were convinced it would infect their computers just by the zipped, password protected attachment appearing in their email. Amazing.

As for BoClean, what is there to clean after BoClean stops it from executing in memory?
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18101134 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:16:32 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18099397 Martinus :
said by John2g See Profile :

even tataye is a BOClean customer :)
You mean a paying customer?

And welcome back, lad
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said by John2g See Profile :

The "problem" is only in your mind. You are incorrect.
That's why I used the quotes. It's not a problem per se but that, to my knowledge that it does not act until malware is active. Now, without saying it's not good or anything, I just don't like it. And I must say that I've no knowledge of it's disinfection abilities. I thought it was only good at preventing malware not actually being used in cleaning it afterwards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098963 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:49:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098920 Name Game :
said by madirish See Profile :

"Kevin McAleavey is First Scientist to Detect New Strain of Malware which Mutates and Jumps from Computers to Humans"

read more here:»www.castlecops.com/

-just made me laugh-
And he does it with such finesse even other passengers can understand. ;)

FILEDATE: 2007-03-31 07:51:20 (UTC)

CURRENT VERSION OF BOCLEAN IS 4.22.002
Listings do not include variants which are already covered. As of this date, Privacy Software's BOClean analysts have seen a total of 274,706 specific variations of various malware and behaviors as well as additional characteristics and components, all of which are covered in the Update file. This does not include "duplicates" and "copycats" as typically reported by others as "unique" based upon a lack of an "MD5 signature match." Add so-called "traces" and handling each individual piece as a separate "signature" detection as is done by our competitors and BOClean is well past 1,800,000 "signatures" or more as a quantification of "effectiveness by numbers." Our definition of "unique" is based upon specific code written by an original "single author" for use by others. The relative scarcity of "unique authors" is taken advantage of in our design by our ability to "know the actual author" rather than their varying output. Over ten years, we've gotten to know many of them personally in their designs. And the "trojan authors" of yore are today's scammers.

Our definition of "Variants" are numerous "new" malwares already covered by BOClean which have been modified by various techniques designed to elude traditional "file-scanning" software. Our "count" of variants should be considered to be far lower than reality since our "variant count" is based SOLELY upon variants we've actually seen. The number "in the wild" is substantially higher given that BOClean already detected them and thus no "investigations" were required. Since BOClean utilizes multiple unique methods of detection per malware, variants (even those "unknown" or "zero-day") are already covered by BOClean if they use already obvious techniques even with obfuscation. BOClean also stands guard without slowing or interfering with your system, connection speed or software and actually repairs the system after an attack, restoring it to its original condition. No manual editing is required. We STOP the nasty.

Please also note that various antivirus companies will create their own names for malware and thus those unique names may not appear in our listing. Wherever possible, we use the ORIGINAL names given to the malware by their original authors at the time of release. Many malwares are also variations of earlier versions and given new names when "discovered" at a later time by the antivirus companies. Therefore the absence of a particularly named "virus" in our listing does not necessarily mean that it is not covered. Since we tend to be "first discoverers" we tend to use the names provided by the original authors or a name based upon the functionality of new nasties, or in the rare case where we cover it without knowing what it actually does, by its first filename when discovered.

Where possible, we might go back at a later time and adopt a name used by ALL vendors for a particular malware if we use a generic name upon first discovery. From time to time, as the industry settles on a SPECIFIC "universal name," we might rename previously named malware to the more widely expected and known names in order to make research by our customers more convenient.

Certain conventions in our naming though might be helpful. If the name of the trojan contains the letters "ROOT" in the name, then this is a "rootkit." If the name contains "BOT" then it's one of numerous "bots" whether by worm or by exploit. We go out of our way to try to preserve the name or type of bot such as "MYBOT" (known as "MYTOB") or SPAMBOT, IRCBOT, IPC$BOT or other descriptive names to provide an idea of what KIND of bot a particular detection is related to. If the name contains "SPYSCAM" then it's one of the many fake "anti-nasty" foistwares of dubious "antispyware" ilk. If it's "BANCOBRA" then it's one of numerous "banking/credit card fraud" programs, the origin among Brazilian criminals. "Banker" is a familiar comparison among some AV's for this type of malware. "KEYLOG" in the name indicates that it's a keylogger and there are other "keywords" in our naming conventions which indicate the TYPE of malware. Then there's the ZLOB'S which are CWS in a fresh incarnation of NEW coders and their hiding behind "free codecs for porn, jokes, whatever." Lacking any of these conventions in our naming though, then a name in the listing can be considered a unique "backdoor" or "dropper" of other malware. Wherever possible, the corporate names of spyware/adware companies are used in order to SPECIFICALLY identify the origin of malware. "$REVENUE," "CWS" and others are such cases. Many OTHER vendors refuse to name names of criminal syndicates. We DO.

*UNIQUE* Malware detected and purged automatically by BOClean v4.22:

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Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/ Missing Kids »www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098920 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:41:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098702 madirish : "Kevin McAleavey is First Scientist to Detect New Strain of Malware which Mutates and Jumps from Computers to Humans"

read more here:»www.castlecops.com/

-just made me laugh-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098702 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:04:17 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098621 John2g :
said by Name Game See Profile :

So have fun with your 'beasties'..maybe I can even get tataye to make you a few new ones or loan you a few that never hit the stree's in his blackhat days...Eddie does not live in lost vegas..and the golden oldies are still spinning. :D
even tataye is a BOClean customer :)
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But if anyone is serious about security..and you can hold back yourself from trying to get Boclean install to clean up some zoo..I suggest your get one machine infected by going to a website or other real world means.. just like those who do post HJT logs and then do your experiment again.

You and I both know website and vectors where this would be fruitless..since BOClean is certainly not infalable..but if you posted your hijackthis log first..someone could certainly tell and make a descision..on what it can do..before you post the next log.
You just might be surprised. ;)
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said by fatdcuk See Profile :

said by Name Game See Profile :

A learned friend suggested....

"When Comodo releases BOClean it may really change the whole landscape of the HiJackthis world. For instance we'll have to change our "Guidelines" to

1. Download and install Comodo's BOClean
2. Have a nice day"

;)
NG Most of what you scribed in your reply to my post is correct but rather flies in the face of your *learned* freinds advice you posted above.

Do they need to install the software after your prescribed R&R coz that is missing from the learned freinds advice ;)
I don't think I would do that way... But once the OP is clean.. I may very well add BOClean to the reccomended free apps for the unenlightened.... (AKA folks who.. click on anything...)...
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said by Name Game See Profile :

A learned friend suggested....

"When Comodo releases BOClean it may really change the whole landscape of the HiJackthis world. For instance we'll have to change our "Guidelines" to

1. Download and install Comodo's BOClean
2. Have a nice day"

;)
NG Most of what you scribed in your reply to my post is correct but rather flies in the face of your *learned* freinds advice you posted above.

Do they need to install the software after your prescribed R&R coz that is missing from the learned freinds advice ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098311 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:30:16 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098198 Name Game :
said by Longboard See Profile :

I put this as a new thread but it's too good not to drop here as well:

»www.comodo.com/news/press_releas···_07.html

MAke sure you read the whole thing
?safe hex advice
LOL
:D
If it is Biodegradable..BOClean is still your better biffer.
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»www.comodo.com/news/press_releas···_07.html

MAke sure you read the whole thing
?safe hex advice
LOL
:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098183 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:46:41 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098180 anon : We're not talking about suites or other others here. We're talking about BOClean.

said by Name Game See Profile :

BOClean has taken a path of a different drummer from the get go with technology that works..if it did not..we wouldn't be having this conversation.
If it worked then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. If something works, it works. You wouldn't be saying otherwise and you wouldn't argue otherwise.

The "problem" with BOClean, it is only good (correct me if I'm wrong as I have not used it) to stop from getting infected when you run a nasty. It's hopeless once machine is infected, and it stands still until you actually run something. Some might like this approach and see it as something groundbreaking, but I personally don't (besides, any av/at have on-access scanner anyway). I would like to keep it off my computer in the first place and at least have software have a shot at fixing it. We all know it's impossible to have one-click fix it all AV/AT. Noone ever claimed it's possible and AV companies play on card use AV not to get infected in the first place rather than, load your comp with viruses, install our product and we'll fix it for you with ease.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098180 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:46:01 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098103 Name Game : Well you know fcukdat..BOCleans was stopping virus, trojans and malware even before the AV's and AT's finally picked up on the fact it was not business as usual and scrambled to find NEW Engines and their famous heuristic to even keep up with the bad boys when they went commercial.. joined forces to make 'lots of money' and the reason there was even ever any HJT in the first place is that they all just could not keep up and really help their users.

Infact, they all clamoured for the hijackthis experts to send them a copy of the badboys they found.. just to keep up with the onslought..with a 'please wrap it up and send me a copy.'
Still today they really all can NOT keep up..so they have the famous SUITES..with a "now we can do it all under one roof" senerio. Then there were the days when the AV's and Antispyware guys decided all they really had to do is disable the badboy from running anyway they could so they never really cleaned all of the penetration off the PC..they just crippled it enough to stop the madness and left all kinds of crap still on the users PC. Some AV's even crippled the PC itself :( and the user could not even get back on the internet. Then there were those "stand alone cleaning tools"..with Panda in the lead with their PQREMOVE.. working in a modified DOS since no one could figure out how to remove some badboys without a reboot.
"If Norton or the rest could not stop it..then down load pqremove."
Then the REST of the AV companies followed the theme.
Then you had the phase where the badboys would actually disable your AV with a blink of an eye..or even USE IT as a vector to penetrate your PC since they did not even know how to protect their own AV from exploits as they promised to stand guard on your PC to protect your OS..some of those well know" third party" AV's had such crappy engines and code they even added to your risk of being infected.

My anology here for ya..is that if they had all realy been doing their jobs..there would never have been a need for HJT in the first place. But that process with help from an expert cleaned it all off better than the commercial companies. :D

But as you lick your lips on rootkits..which again the SUITE Companies still can not handle effectively.. it brings us now around to the fact that rootkits are not really all .exe but rather badboys standing in the wings waiting for the rest of the commands to happen. So now again we have all these "standalone cleaners and detectors" that came along with arguments still today which is the best antirookit thingie. :D

But you do really know the BOClean is "No doubt about it the software was a very good realtime Guard to block stuff from going native.The previous owners put in a great deal of effort on staying on top of emerging malwares to keep it that way thus providing a very good defending package."

I am not really interested in going into details with you on Gromozon or Rustock or playing a silly game of loading your "zoo" and then installing BOClean..fact is anyone in their right mind would be reformating and reinstalling a machime like that in the first place...with a couple "LOOPS" of a good hard drive cleaner in the boot sector even before the reinstall. People are fooling themselves if the think HJT fully cleaned their PC..same goes for all the AT..AV..and SUITE "ME TOO" HOUSES..since once you have been compromised..the game is really over..all that cleaning is relly going to do..is get you back on the road so you can be infected again..cause you really do NOT know how to locked down your OS or even tried..and you have been conditioned by all these sales pitches..not to even worry about that part.."we will make sure you are 100% protected and it is all Microsoft" fault. :D

So have fun with your 'beasties'..maybe I can even get tataye to make you a few new ones or loan you a few that never hit the stree's in his blackhat days...Eddie does not live in lost vegas..and the golden oldies are still spinning. :D

BOClean has taken a path of a different drummer from the get go with technology that works..if it did not..we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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»www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18098103 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:06:10 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097989 fatdcuk :
said by norwegian See Profile :

5 minutes with any program does nothing. Where's Fcukdat, and that malware collection. Some tests maybe.
Reading and chuckling,licks lips :D

OhNoes!!!112 my puter is backdoored by Rustock B yet protected by BOC :(

Hey NG i read back earliar in the thread you were making reference to BOC being the HJT log helpers saviour,i'm second guessing from that statement that you have not introduced the software to a heavily infected computer too often to verify that position;)

No doubt about it the software was a very good realtime Guard to block stuff from going native.The previous owners put in a great deal of effort on staying on top of emerging malwares to keep it that way thus providing a very good defending package.

It did choke on blocking Gromozon from installing for a while despite positively identifying the trojan but then IRC that was resolved with release of a new build.

My own findings with reguards the software back a wee while and post infected machine was somewhat opposite to its realtime blocking effectiveness.I loaded up my machine with a massive amount of crud c/o DR(topaff.exe)and then watched as installing BOC as a cleaner it went into to headfit of choking on known *Vundo's,Qoo's* and other assorted bots that it would detect,attempt clean only to loop again :uhh:

Anyhow a new build and a new set of exotic beasties to test with(and some golden oldies)i'm looking forward to testing it yet again :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097989 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:41:02 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097954 norwegian : 5 minutes with any program does nothing. Where's Fcukdat, and that malware collection. Some tests maybe. Just remember the winsock and some registry zones will be reset if you have that setting enabled. All in a small package. Bigger and faster isn't always better :)

Just remember it's just one layer of the onion, or an extra pair of socks on a cold day.

Dadkins, test mate, test.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

BTW, I was just reading the thread at Comodo forums and the members there are totally confused ...worse than you..regarding the reason BoClean never had a trial but I'm tired of explaining so someone else can explain to them...I saw Tony Klein and Mowergun there. They can explain. :)

Comodo has a forum set up for Bo...Not open yet but here is the address:

»forums.comodo.com/index.php?PHPS···3.0.html
I gave up on page three of this thread. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097836 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 03:26:23 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097835 dadkins : No, I got the point, people keep rehashing it.
The lawsuit and the lack of a trial... all history.
Actually, it was all history years ago... but we will forget about that.

There is no trial because, the file that was sent to me, will run on *ANY* PC without any verification or license key.
I didn't enter in any key, yet it is running fine!
It even updated!
For there to have been a trial, there would have had to be some sort of cut-off.
Well, there isn't one!

That whole "Private Club" rhetoric is old and tired.
Too many other Resident AT programs are out there that do the same as what BOC is doing.
One catch though, the "other guys" can actually scan the computer AS WELL AS monitor what runs in the memory.

"They" have trials too, I know! I have tried them!
I even OWN one of them!
But, like I have stated several times, *I* don't need a resident AT - ANY resident AT!
Not even BOC! :o
Yeah, I said it! It's the truth!

Funny, I am not the only person that has survived all this time without BOC...
Anyone care to guess as to why that is?
I can't call it myself... but all three of my laptops purr right along. ;)
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BTW, I was just reading the thread at Comodo forums and the members there are totally confused ...worse than you..regarding the reason BoClean never had a trial but I'm tired of explaining so someone else can explain to them...I saw Tony Klein and Mowergun there. They can explain. :)

Comodo has a forum set up for Bo...Not open yet but here is the address:

»forums.comodo.com/index.php?PHPS···3.0.html
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097824 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 03:16:31 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097816 mers2 :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Ok Mele, what do you call it NOW that BOClean will be FREE to anyone?

None of y'all want to answer that... Being free to anyone sure isn't "A Private Club".

Are you all telling me that BOClean now, since it will be free to anyone and not "A Private Club", that it will be a lesser program?

That because it is now free(as opposed to a trial) is is different?

Ya ain't making any sense! :huh:
You missed the point - they were immune to the lawsuits under NY law because of the "private club" protection. That is lost with the free version. That is why the early posts were concerned with whether Commodo would cave to legal threats that BoClean didn't have to worry about.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097816 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 03:08:10 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097798 dadkins :
said by Blackbird See Profile :

said by Name Game See Profile :

"...whereas other antimalware had surrendered to bogus legal claims (but eventually relented after we won the decision) and dropped the detection of malware, BOCLEAN is under no such legal obligation. We act on behalf of our "subscribers" BECAUSE there are no "free to the general public" releases of BOClean. THAT provision is what keeps everybody safe even if it costs us "easy sales." ...
Hmm. I can't help but wonder how that strategy will play once the product becomes "free"... :huh:
Everyone here is skirting that pretty good, huh.
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None of y'all want to answer that... Being free to anyone sure isn't "A Private Club".

Are you all telling me that BOClean now, since it will be free to anyone and not "A Private Club", that it will be a lesser program?

That because it is now free(as opposed to a trial) is is different?

Ya ain't making any sense! :huh:
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said by dadkins See Profile :

That makes NO sense whatsoever!
No matter how anyone wants to spin it, BOC is an Anti-Malware, right?

Ok, so they(NSClean) used that legally to get away from the makers of NetBus from suing them... I can deal with that!
Since that is all a wash now, and MANY other scanners/residents do ALSO detect NetBus, that is a WAY tired argument, isn't it?

*I* have 5 different(probably more) apps that detect NetBus and THEY never got sued, so now what?

Someone give me a LEGIT, reason upto a month ago why BOClean didn't have a trial.

COMODO buying it and now GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE kinda trashes that tired excuse, huh?
So, is COMODO going to get sued?
No trial - the thing is going to be FREE!
Sigh. If BoClean had a trial that would mean that BoClean no longer could be LEGALLY considered a "Private Club".

Recall how Alex Eckleberry a year or so ago talked here about the sleazeballs he was fighting and Lavasoft was being sued also and other antimalware vendors were being sued/caving into demands from the sleazeballs that their product be overlooked, etc? BoClean has NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT BEING SUED BY THE SLEAZEBALLS AND NOT HAVING THE FUNDS TO FIGHT THEM. Why? Because under New York law BoClean (until the sale to Comodo) was considered by the Netbus ruling to be a Private Club and a Private Club can do pretty much what it wants to please its members and cannot be sued because it "discriminates" in some way. So, the sleazeballs have NEVER had legal standing since that court ruling to sue PSClean for detecting their spyware which according to them: Gee this is not spyware...it is just a nice little proggie and gee Judge, BoClean shouldn't be detecting our neat little proggie as a nasty...we asked them nicely not to do so but they have continued to do and so Judge please bring a $50 million judgment against them because we are not spyware and they are hurting our legitimate business when they detect our nice little proggie".

How did BoClean get "Private Club" status under New York law? By never offering a trial version or free version of BoClean. I can't say it any plainer that this. Do you think Nancy and Kevin were rolling in money and would have easily been able to fight lawsuits from the sleazeballs? Because of their legal standing they never had to worry about the probability that some sleazeballs would have sued them and even if they won...it would have take a lot of money to fight the sleazeballs in court and it wouldn't have been just one sleazeball either. This Private Club protection made it so that they never had to worry about lawsuits and pressure from the sleazeballs and that is (was) unique among malware vendors.

Now you can be a devil's advocate and say well, alright. I understand now but I think this an overblown advantage they had as CounterSpy, AdAware, Spybot etc have not been forced out of business by lawsuits from the sleazeballs but we don't know how difficult it has been for them or how some antispyware vendors have caved in to the demands. I'm very happy that Kevin and Nancy never had to worry about this as they certainly had no big pile of money set aside to pay legal fees if the sleazeballs came after them which they would have done. Milh says that he has a world wide legal team and can afford to have the sleazeballs sue. If that is true, and remains true, then we all have nothing to worry about but the McAleavey's never had that luxury of piles of dough and attorneys all over the world and so for them the concept of a Private Club was sort of a godsend even if it did result in losing some sales due to users, like you, just not getting it.

If you still don't "get it"...well, I'm done here. Because if you don't get it now ....you just don't want to get it.
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097756 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 02:37:31 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097705 bettywont : tempnexus,I can second that emotion,Boclean serves me well and has been on my machines for years.Their will always be individuals who perhaps can not afford to purchase products and go for the free ones, and their are many great free products out their.Personally I found a-squared free slow and had many f/p's and conflicted with BOCLEAN.
Living in a democratic society we can make our own choices
on what products/programs we like or dislike.As I see it there is a very high majority who use and believe in Boclean on this forum. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097705 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 02:03:41 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097642 Blackbird :
said by Name Game See Profile :

"...whereas other antimalware had surrendered to bogus legal claims (but eventually relented after we won the decision) and dropped the detection of malware, BOCLEAN is under no such legal obligation. We act on behalf of our "subscribers" BECAUSE there are no "free to the general public" releases of BOClean. THAT provision is what keeps everybody safe even if it costs us "easy sales." ...
Hmm. I can't help but wonder how that strategy will play once the product becomes "free"... :huh:
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Not for me, but for all my friends that use BOC!

;)
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No matter what others say, in my own personal space and my own first hand, no theories no test bull crap experience Boclean have saved my ass at least 20 times.
Take it as you will, but I was very happy with my purchase. And by the way, those 20 instances were latter added by KAV and NOD32 after I e-mailed them the files. SO no there were not FP.

All I wish now is that Boclean still remains Boclean and if it does not then I must thank Kevin and Nancy for all the help and dedication they have given me and the rest of their users and thank you Kevin and Nancy for saving my Identity and thousands of dollars that I would have spent attempting to get my life back in order.

Best of luck to you both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097499 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:54:48 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097368 dadkins :
said by Name Game See Profile :

:D :D David,
I don't really care what you run or how many AV's or Antimalware or even Firewalls..actually have been surprised in all this that you run so many..for me I run NADA..not even BOClean..that's why I never post in those polls..and I will never start running any for if I did I would end up with corrupted copies of the badboys out there like so many zoo files I have seen. ;)

I do help many people get their current favorite working if they have cockpit error.
So, *I* need to read this thread?

»Re: BOClean has always had a trial

"Something is happening on these laptops of mine that keeps things off of them.
Is it me? Doubt it! LOL!
Is it SpywareBlaster? Could be!
Is it avast? Also, could be!
Is it Outpost? Who knows...
Those three items are All I use(SB doesn't run)... you make the call!"

Uh, yeah!

Now, I do scan weekly because of boredom, but all I ever get is cookies(said that too in this thread!).

Y'all need to lighten up!
LOL!
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said by dadkins See Profile :

No lawsuits, no NetBus, no trials... FREE!

Good Night All!
David
I may have an old copy of Netbuster around.... :D
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I don't really care what you run or how many AV's or Antimalware or even Firewalls..actually have been surprised in all this that you run so many..for me I run NADA..not even BOClean..that's why I never post in those polls..and I will never start running any for if I did I would end up with corrupted copies of the badboys out there like so many zoo files I have seen. ;)

I do help many people get their current favorite working if they have cockpit error.
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Have a great evening, we will chat about this a few months from now - when ANYONE that wants it will have it!

No lawsuits, no NetBus, no trials... FREE!

Good Night All!
David
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No matter how anyone wants to spin it, BOC is an Anti-Malware, right?

Ok, so they(NSClean) used that legally to get away from the makers of NetBus from suing them... I can deal with that!
Since that is all a wash now, and MANY other scanners/residents do ALSO detect NetBus, that is a WAY tired argument, isn't it?

*I* have 5 different(probably more) apps that detect NetBus and THEY never got sued, so now what?

Someone give me a LEGIT, reason upto a month ago why BOClean didn't have a trial.

COMODO buying it and now GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE kinda trashes that tired excuse, huh?
So, is COMODO going to get sued?
No trial - the thing is going to be FREE!

Now what?
Y'all are dodging this very weakly.
Now it doesn't matter though, does it?
It's(going to be) FREE!

So tell me again why there wasn't a trial?
Since it is going to be free now, does what you posted mean that it will be... less that what it was before?

You are raising more questions than you are answering!
Not good, is it?

I really don't care - for myself!
#1 I have it!
#2 I don't NEED it!
#3 I haven't needed it!

Now, for my friends... this is really starting to look bad.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

John, many of us have already mentioned that to Dadkins and he wants to be obtuse for some reason. Look what he just said to me about the issue of BoClean never having a trial. Silly stuff that indicates he is deliberately NOT understanding. Why, I have no idea. It is not like him at all. At any rate...maybe your posting that quote for the umpteenth time here and at Wilders will finally sink in for Dadkins. So, thank you. Maybe that quote should be emblazoned on the BoClean interface. :p
He is not obtuse..he is just trying to bet me to level three. ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097225 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:42:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097169 Mele20 : John, many of us have already mentioned that to Dadkins and he wants to be obtuse for some reason. Look what he just said to me about the issue of BoClean never having a trial. Silly stuff that indicates he is deliberately NOT understanding. Why, I have no idea. It is not like him at all. At any rate...maybe your posting that quote for the umpteenth time here and at Wilders will finally sink in for Dadkins. So, thank you. Maybe that quote should be emblazoned on the BoClean interface. :p
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097169 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:28:15 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097168 Kiwi : MSDN2_SoapServicers.

Nothing much is as safe you think.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097168 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:28:00 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097165 dadkins :
said by GoodGravyMan :

Chill already !!!!!!!!!!!
»tinyurl.com/2tajzm
:D :D :D
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»tinyurl.com/2tajzm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097120 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:17:41 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097119 Name Game : Be careful though with that netbus thingie..Boclean just might still et it be a legit app..both ends of it..so now that you be playing with it..here is some history..

MASTER'S PARADISE INTERNET TROJAN HORSE PROGRAM
»www.privsoft.com/archive/psc-mp.html

PSC Newsletter-MEDIA DISCOVERS "SPYWARE?"

In the summer of 2000, the NETBUS trojan was sold to a Florida Corporation who decided to resell Netbus as "a legitimate remote administration tool." When they learned that BOClean was detecting the Netbus trojan as "Netbus trojan" their lawyers took action against Privacy Software Corporation, demanding a "cease and desist" on our detection of Netbus. Our corporate lawyer and our management contested the assertion, and prior to trial came to a settlement with the dealer (now defunct) which determined that BOClean would be provided with a "Do NOT detect Netbus" option in order to stop BOClean from detecting Netbus *IF* the end user so desired. A legal precedent was also set under New York jurisdiction (we're a New York Corporation legally) by this settlement which was upheld by the courts. Our "option" to NOT detect at the discretion of the end user was an "adequate remedy" under New York State law, and BOClean is governed by same.

BECAUSE we were not a "common carrier" in that there is no "evaluation copy" available to the "general public" BOClean is seen legally as a "subscriber service" and our decisions to cover or NOT cover certain malware is legally seen as a "service" rather than an obligation and thus legally, because we do NOT offer "to the general public," we are a "private club" and thus entitled to ANY discrimination "on behalf of our subscribers" as WE see fit. Netbus therefore had no legal standing to challenge our decision. AND, because we agreed in a settlement to place the "Do NOT detect Netbus" in our configuration screen, the embarassment of the "this is bad, but ignore it" display in our product only served to bury Netbus as a "legitimate remote administration tool."

The outcome is there is already legal precedent for BOCLEAN under the law, and whereas other antimalware had surrendered to bogus legal claims (but eventually relented after we won the decision) and dropped the detection of malware, BOCLEAN is under no such legal obligation. We act on behalf of our "subscribers" BECAUSE there are no "free to the general public" releases of BOClean. THAT provision is what keeps everybody safe even if it costs us "easy sales."
THE KIDDIES TURN PRO
»www.privsoft.com/archive/nws-dsc.html
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said by amysheehan See Profile :

Here's how you can test BOClean:
GRC's "Leaktest"
AV's ignore it but watch BOClean.
Obviously it is not 'malware' but it has been recommended several times as a 'way' to test BOClean.

:)
Uhm, that leak test is harmless, right?
Why would avast hit on it?
Why should avast hit on it?
I know that my firewall passes it! :o

Yes! BOC did block it, but Outpost won't let it out so what was the point?
I turned off BOC for Outpost to have a whack at it! ;)

Ah well, I'll keep torturing this laptop... as I always do! LOL!
:D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097066 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:06:55 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18097008 dadkins : Simple Mele, ANY other AT out there has a trial. Period.
All of them work as well as each other(not going to argue with anyone about it, I have tried them all!) :)
Now I DO have the REAL BOC! :o

No, I have not seen any good reason for BOC to not offer a trial.
Because there is no key for it?
Not my fault!
Don't care!

Because there is no verification of ownership to get updates?
Again, not my fault!
Don't care!

Ok, this is NOT meant to offend anyone, it is just my first impressions of BOC since it's install - vs what I have read about it over the years:

I *DO* have the same critter y'all do now... right?
What exactly sets BOC appart from the other ATs I have tried?
I mean, besides the no trial and no scanner things...

Malware count sure isn't it.
a2 and Ewido both has it kinda covered on overall count.

So far, albeit all of 1 hour, it has not done anything to warrant me buying it - even though it is now going to be free.

Ok, so it caught one or two "items" that got past avast/Avira/whatever. Cool!
As it should have!

What/who is to say that the same "item" would not have been caught by... Ewido if it was running resident?
How about a2?
Trojan Hunter?

Go back and read any one of a thousand posts with users saying how BOC would have kept xxxx off the syatem had the person had it running.

No offense to ANYONE, I already have several ATs that I could have running as resident.
Don't need them!


I *AM* a BOC install-ee now!
I can see for myself now, huh? ;)

*WE* SHALL SEE...

Sorry if I have come off "less than stellar" about all of this, people.
Buyouts rarely endup on the good side.
I REALLY don't want my friends to get the s***** end of the stick on this!

But, now I *CAN* see for myself.
Let it end there for now!
We will talk about this at a later date!

David
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096992 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:50:48 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096955 amysheehan : Here's how you can test BOClean:
GRC's "Leaktest"
AV's ignore it but watch BOClean.
Obviously it is not 'malware' but it has been recommended several times as a 'way' to test BOClean.

:)
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Edited to add: This was a file I executed to test Avast & BoClean
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096873 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:24:05 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096866 dadkins : Ok, that's fine! :)
But, to hear the many people on here preach of how fast BOC pounces, kinda makes me wonder what was wrong with their AV choice.

Just *tried* to unzip the Trojan Simulator:
»www.misec.net/trojansimulator/
to let BOC have a shot at it in memory... got a problem though.
Avast refuses to alow me to unzip it!
Not run it, unzip it!
So, to see the intrinsic value of BOC, I have to disable my AV?
I need to tell everyone here something...
My AV gets turned off for no one.

No offense to ANYONE here or anyone anywhere, but what AV is y'all running that allows "malware" past so that BOC even sees it?

Please don't say N..... uhm, yeah.
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You still haven't read my early post in this thread, I guess, that explains why BoClean could NOT offer a trial. Others explained it also so did you miss all that? You missed the same sort of comments in the Wilders thread? I also don't buy sofware if I can't trial it and I wondered, for a long time, why BoClean didn't offer a trial. That was before I found this website and I got a really inferior antitrojan software because I thought BoClean was a scam because it didn't offer a trial. Then I found this site. I learned why BoClean did not offer a trial. End of story. I thought BoClean's protection under New York law was great (once I knew about it) and I was GLAD then that BoClean had this protection and didn't offer a trial.

I really feel confounded by your continued fixation on the trial thing...I changed my attitude as soon as I read the reason for the no trial ....and I don't understand why you haven't also. Can you explain that to me? I think the loss of protection under New York law may have significant impact on BoClean and I don't have the confidence that some have that Melih will commit large sums of money to fight the scumbags that may sue now that BoClean is no longer a private club and thus no longer afforded protection under the law. To me, this is what you should be focusing on ....not continuing to complain that BoClean never offered a free trial when there was an OUTSTANDING REASON for not doing so.

Also, how about turning of Avast and then you can see what BoClean can do. BoClean is a SECONDARY DEFENSE designed to stop what your AV doesn't first stop! BoClean stops baddies from executing in memory. It doesn't stop a baddie from getting on your computer but it sure as hell will zap it if you go to execute it or it tries to execute on its own.

Anyhow...peace...I respect you a lot, I'm just puzzled by your posts in this thread.
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096829 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:14:46 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096816 mers2 :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Ok, see BOClean in the tray?
Tell me, what software seen NetBus first in this screen shot?

BOC didn't make a sound, didn't even blink!
Avast pounced first!

Ya know, for years, I have read many posts by many people here about how BOC was the fastest, best security application and how it would jump before an antivirus...
That is the way it's supposed to work, David. BoClean only jumps in when your AV/AT/AS fails to do it's job and allows the baddie to execute in memory.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096816 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:12:24 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096815 dadkins :
said by madirish See Profile :

I was a user of Tiny Firewall.Paid good money for it every year (even had a 30 trial period).When CA bought up Tiny we were told by the devs (Tiny) that Tiny wasn't going anywhere and the V.P. said Tiny wasn't going anywhere and a new version was forth coming.That forth coming release was an older version and CA left all the Tiny user out in the cold.
I think that is what dadkins See Profile is partialy concerned with.Kevin sold BoClean to Comodo-his ownership is done.Whatever the outcome to BoClean,now and in the future is 100% up to Comodo.I realy hope it will always remain free and just as good as it was befor being bought by Comodo

Although I haven't used BoClean many people here and at other boards speak very highly of it.Hope it will always stay that way.
THAT'S what I'm talkin about!
Thanks madirish!
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I have never seen any boclean user give an actual reason why boclean is good. they just tell you the same BS that the owner tells people to get them to buy. Like the BS about Netbus. Like no other proggy catches Netbus. yeah right.

Bocleans owner gave people good service I give you that but that's because paying his bills depended on that and even then he couldn't make enough money to pay the bills. So he sold. now he got money and doesn' have too.

oh, and if his the great guy you're saying he is and he knew for months that he's going to sell (he said so on wilders) then why did he have that half price promotion a couple of months ago? I tell you why. he wanted to get as much money as he could before closing shop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096809 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:10:53 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096786 madirish : I was a user of Tiny Firewall.Paid good money for it every year (even had a 30 trial period).When CA bought up Tiny we were told by the devs (Tiny) that Tiny wasn't going anywhere and the V.P. said Tiny wasn't going anywhere and a new version was forth coming.That forth coming release was an older version and CA left all the Tiny user out in the cold.
I think that is what dadkins See Profile is partialy concerned with.Kevin sold BoClean to Comodo-his ownership is done.Whatever the outcome to BoClean,now and in the future is 100% up to Comodo.I realy hope it will always remain free and just as good as it was befor being bought by Comodo

Although I haven't used BoClean many people here and at other boards speak very highly of it.Hope it will always stay that way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096786 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:07:25 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096775 dadkins :
said by FiOS Dan See Profile :

Like I said, I give up and extend to you the last word, yet still in the hope that some other BBR colleagues understand the point that I was trying to make. Have a good night. :)
What I have gathered from your posts is that you buy software all the time without trying it first.
Is that correct Dan?

Well, most of us prefer to test software BEFORE paying for it!
Hence, 99.9% of all software manufacturers allow you to download at least a TRIAL(what did you think a TRIAL was?).

Some are actually full-on versions with a time limit, and you can mke them permanent(subscription?) by purchasing a license.

But you already knew that, huh?
Naw, I think I shall continue test thrashing software. It's a semi-rewarding hobby.
Doesn't cost anything either! ;)

Take care Dan!
David
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One of my BOC using friends sent me a copy(FOR FREE).

You see, that friend uses BOC, and has for some time now.
*I* don't want "My Friend" to lose a valued piece of software that "he/she" paid good money for and and has the piece of mind(at least) that it delivers!

I *DO* hope that BOC continues to be at least as good, if not get better, FOR MY FRIENDS!

*FOR ME*, I really don't see it becoming a part of my software corral.
No worries though, as I have said(and so have others), I have done just fine without it!

Is that ok with y'all? That I(and others) have dont fine without BOC?

It's the truth!

Remember, I DO NOT practice "Safe Hex"!
I download - stuff.
I surf pron sites.
I do what y'all say is "bad".
All three machines are cruising fine.

NO WHERE do I claim to be a GURU, or any sort of expert, but how many HJThis logs of mine have y'all ever seen? 1?
Was there anything in it? Nope!

TODAY is the first time I have ever installed BOC, and that is on my A Series sitting over on the desk.
I only installed it for... well, because I was bored! Again!
That, and I got it for free!

Well, I'm off to take the A Series of into No Man's Land for a little while, I want to see what happens now that I have BOC installed and running.

Wish me luck! :o
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096680 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:46:07 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096666 norwegian : You may be correct Dadkins, you can live without tit. You can also live without an A/V solution on your machine too, if you practice safe hex, but no-one seems as passionate about proving that here.

All I meant was to take a deep breath, and get onto the next job. How did you get that copy of BOClean ? I paid for mine, and I guess that's what half of the discussion is about here. Will free be the same, will it degrade, as you pointed out time does not favour a good outcome, going by past endevours. Hopefully Comodo and Kevin will take us all to the next level, up, not down.

There will always be a story for both sides, it's a philosophy, like safe hex

Ying and yang. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

I've said enough, and good luck with testing this tool. Edit: Have a chat with Fcukdat, sure he would love to pass on the HDD full of nasties.


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said by FiOS Dan See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Why should I HAVE to pay for a software - ANY software, without being able to see what happens?
So everything else you pay for and then try but software is held to a different standard? I give up. :huh:
What can't you understand friend?
That I take a car for a test drive before I plop down 20-30Grand?

That I would rather try software to look for conflicts before paying for it?

What makes BOC stand out from the thousands(millions) of other software producers?

LOTS of things do get tried before they are purchased... at least for me!
Do you buy everything sight-unseen?

GEEZ! Love to have you for a client!
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said by norwegian See Profile :

You got in first. An anti-virus detecting a file, is not the same as detecting something starting up in memory. If Avast lets Dadkins run that exe, lets see what happens next.

Dont forget the winsock and registry repair help in BOClean too.

Take a breather Dadkins, your comments are normally refreshing, but this is bordering on insultive, to someone you say you wish all the best to. :)

Have a good weekend mate.
Look, for YEARS I(we) have listened to all y'all preach impending doom because BOC wasn't running on our machines.
Fine.
Well, now I DO have it running and frankly, I'm not impressed.

No insults here, *IF* anyone feels that they NEED this item, GO FOR IT!
No where did I say for ANYONE to not run it!
I DID state that I have survived fine for years without it - because I have!

Now, if that is offensive to anyone, sorry!
But I am not alone.
Many of us non-BOC-ers have done fine without it.

I still do hope that BOC survives - not looking like it will be a keeper for me, but many of my friends do use it!
I want MY FRIENDS to not get screwed!

Comprende?

So, someone PM me about some crap I can throw at this to see what happens.

Thanks everyone!
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Why should I HAVE to pay for a software - ANY software, without being able to see what happens?
So everything else you pay for and then try but software is held to a different standard? I give up. :huh:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096603 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:33:23 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096574 dadkins :
said by FiOS Dan See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Apples and oranges friend!
I highly doubt that a Mr Coffee will conflict with any of the other appliances on the counter top. :uhh:

When I bought this laptop, I was able to see it running, type in some commands, pull up the System Info...

My AV, first off, it's FREE!
Second, it runs FULL ON for 60(sixty) days without regestering.

Firewall, downloaded and installed fine 30 days without a penny spent.

These, and just about EVERY other software I was able to "try before you buy" and THEN decide if I needed it and pay for it.
Or. to see if it crashed and burned while fighting with any other software, or even fighting with the machine itself.

Ok, well... here!
See attached pics! :o

Now, for the last time -

*WE* shall see... ;)
You had no guarantee that the AV or firewall would not conflict but, since they were a free trial, that was okay? What if they had crashed your system but, hey, they were free, would that have been okay? What is your problem with getting your money back if a product fails to perform? I'm sure you do it every day with other products and services.
Right! But, I could just image them away and that would be that!
No money(credit) ever changed hands!
Why should I HAVE to pay for a software - ANY software, without being able to see what happens?

Ok, what if - I did pay for BOC and it trashed my computer?
Because I paid for it, that would be ok? PLEASE!

No, actually! I TRY softwares before I pay for them!
MANY softwares are even FREE!
So, if you look now friend, I *DO* have the infamous BOC live and running on this machine, but the first impression isn't looking to well... is it?

My FREE AV pounced on a "bad guy" before BOC even seen it!

So, tell me again how it's a miracle I survived all these years without BOC.
...and not ONE infection?

Name Game,
LMAO! Got OLD pics?
Plus, that is on my dinosaur laptop! It's running, but I never really logon to it unless I need a saved picture or something.
WD is no longer on that one either! Erradicated from ALL machines!
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Dont forget the winsock and registry repair help in BOClean too.

Take a breather Dadkins, your comments are normally refreshing, but this is bordering on insultive, to someone you say you wish all the best to. :)

Have a good weekend mate.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Ok, see BOClean in the tray?
Tell me, what software seen NetBus first in this screen shot?

BOC didn't make a sound, didn't even blink!
Avast pounced first!

Ya know, for years, I have read many posts by many people here about how BOC was the fastest, best security application and how it would jump before an antivirus...
You did not read that..BOClean catches it in memory..and stops it dead.. :D :D
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Tell me, what software seen NetBus first in this screen shot?

BOC didn't make a sound, didn't even blink!
Avast pounced first!

Ya know, for years, I have read many posts by many people here about how BOC was the fastest, best security application and how it would jump before an antivirus...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096531 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:16:50 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096506 FiOS Dan :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Apples and oranges friend!
I highly doubt that a Mr Coffee will conflict with any of the other appliances on the counter top. :uhh:

When I bought this laptop, I was able to see it running, type in some commands, pull up the System Info...

My AV, first off, it's FREE!
Second, it runs FULL ON for 60(sixty) days without regestering.

Firewall, downloaded and installed fine 30 days without a penny spent.

These, and just about EVERY other software I was able to "try before you buy" and THEN decide if I needed it and pay for it.
Or. to see if it crashed and burned while fighting with any other software, or even fighting with the machine itself.

Ok, well... here!
See attached pics! :o

Now, for the last time -

*WE* shall see... ;)
You had no guarantee that the AV or firewall would not conflict but, since they were a free trial, that was okay? What if they had crashed your system but, hey, they were free, would that have been okay? What is your problem with getting your money back if a product fails to perform? I'm sure you do it every day with other products and services.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096506 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:11:58 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096503 Name Game :
said by dadkins See Profile :

I will be waiting for you on the couch :D Hurry up PBS has a good proggie coming on.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096503 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:11:43 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096485 bettywont : I very very much doubt if you wish ''the best for Nancy and Kevin''Your posts always talk about them dying.
and now that you have an illegal ''FREEBIE'' visit their site so you can hopefully understand what BOCLEAN is all
about.Please post back all the negatives for the THOUSANDS of satisfied clients who have been using Boclean for years. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096485 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:09:04 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096473 dadkins :
said by Grail Knight See Profile :

quote:
I have survived(like MANY other people) without BOClean ever being on my machines.


Unbelievable... So have I. :D
EXACTLY! ;)
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I highly doubt that a Mr Coffee will conflict with any of the other appliances on the counter top. :uhh:

When I bought this laptop, I was able to see it running, type in some commands, pull up the System Info...

My AV, first off, it's FREE!
Second, it runs FULL ON for 60(sixty) days without regestering.

Firewall, downloaded and installed fine 30 days without a penny spent.

These, and just about EVERY other software I was able to "try before you buy" and THEN decide if I needed it and pay for it.
Or, to see if it crashed and burned while fighting with any other software, or even fighting with the machine itself.

Ok, well... here!
See attached pics! :o

Now, for the last time -

*WE* shall see... ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096469 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:05:36 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096468 Grail Knight :
quote:
I have survived(like MANY other people) without BOClean ever being on my machines.


Unbelievable... So have I. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096468 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:05:34 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096404 FiOS Dan :
said by dadkins See Profile :

No trial, no sale. Sorry, no one gets my money unless I can see and test the item. Period!
Folks, can we all get a grip here? Goodness me, we're talking about $40. It wasn't as though anyone had to tap into their home equity LOC to try BOClean. Not to mention the fact that all day long each of us purchases products or services before trying them. What's the big deal? When I buy a $50 coffee maker, I don't inisist upon trying it first before paying for it. Geez... :(
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096404 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:54:06 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096359 dadkins :
said by Psicop See Profile :

I don't understand why some of you whinge and complain about a PRODUCT. Let me remind you a famous sentence someone said once:

Security is a process not a product.

I don't use BoClean and I feel safe.

If you think that you'll feel unsafe with the new BoClean then stop using Windows and swap over to a safer OS. Mac and BSD are the safest so far:

»www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6098
Right!
I have survived(like MANY other people) without BOClean ever being on my machines.
I just hate seeing good products go bad - for whatever reason!

My 3 XP laptops are still running fine, and BOClean has never been installed on them!

Anyone care to try and explain that? ;)

Well, *NOW* I really do get to see just what BOClean can or cannot do... 2 more minutes for the image to finish(gotta love TI!).

I'll post screenies as soon as I install BOClean! :o ;)
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quote:
One more time though, I personally don't need BOClean.
Not going to claim I really know why, but when I scan my laptops, nothing "bad" is ever found. Go figure, huh?


Let me say it for those who still don't know it ;) :

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096350 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:45:37 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096305 Psicop : I don't understand why some of you whinge and complain about a PRODUCT. Let me remind you a famous sentence someone said once:

Security is a process not a product.

I don't use BoClean and I feel safe.

If you think that you'll feel unsafe with the new BoClean then stop using Windows and swap over to a safer OS. Mac and BSD are the safest so far:

»www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6098]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096305 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:38:25 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096293 dadkins : Like I said friend, I wish nothing but the best for Kevin and nancy, but only time will tell.

No offense to anyone, but can you say for certain that BOClean will not die?

Doesn't matter if I have used it or not, many of my friends have/do.
Answer me for them!

Problem is, NO ONE can say yes or no - not even Kevin! :hmm:
Please read the wording of Kevin's posts over at Wilders...

Remember, BOClean was free at first, but that changed. That's cool though, they need to eat... but change DOES happen! Can't deny that.

Like I said, I now *DO* have BOClean as it is on y'alls computers!
I will get to see for myself if it dies or thrives, huh?

We shall see... ;)
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OK!! mers2 that's a fair point.What put a burr under my saddle was the lack of empathy after Keven had given a
commitment from his heart over at Wilders.And not to knock
dadkins he never had hands on experience with Boclean.I go back to my opinion that anyone who devotes 10 years of his life is committed and will have made an agreement to have free reign to develop his baby better than ever! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096229 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:25:57 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096091 dadkins : That's fine, but many others have tried and died.
I certainly hope that BOClean does *NOT* crash and burn.

I never stated that I did have any experiencde with BOClean, but that is because of "their" sales tactics.
No trial, no sale. Sorry, no one gets my money unless I can see and test the item. Period!

While I have read countless praise posts from dedicated users, I have see the same from users of "other" security softwares and they are either junk IMO, or were great and are now junk.

Kevin is human, right?
Nancy too?

I have watched all kinds of softwares come and go, some have stayed true to form, most have not after a buy-out.

As I have stated, only time will tell.

Off the record, someone(NO NAMES) has just sent me a copy of the latest BOClean. ;)
It's nice to have friends, huh?

So, *I* will get to see, first hand, whether or not BOClean stays viable or dies a slow lingering death.
I honestly hope it stays at least semi-decent.

One more time though, I personally don't need BOClean.
Not going to claim I really know why, but when I scan my laptops, nothing "bad" is ever found. Go figure, huh?

We'll see... ;)

EDIT: Thank you mers2!
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Edited to add comma to last sentence.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18096063 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:54:50 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095951 bettywont : I must say dadkins I have read many a great posts from you.Having said that this one is the most disappointing.BOCLEAN is a unique program and can't be compared to Giant or others.You have absolutely no experience with
BOCLEAN whatsoever and base other programs failure or success as a measuring stick.
I read the dedication and commitment Kevin personally wrote at Wilders.Their are thousands of satisfied clients
He has worked for 10 years day and night to make BOCLEAN
top notch-this program is his life and he has dreams to make it even better.Money the root of all evil had run short to the point he was short on food;so he sold his baby-it must have indeed been a heart breaking decision
I'm sure that he would have let the program die if his ''terms and conditions'' would not have been agreed within his legal agreement with Comodo.So I see the glass
as have full and believe BOCLEAN will be even better than
ever and Kevin will be able to fulfill his dreams.
And since it will be free I'm sure you'll be one of the first to download it and be a believer as so many thousands of long loyal satisfied paid believers.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095951 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:36:48 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095574 dadkins :
said by bmelee See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

True.
But seeing as more good apps are dying out than there are new ones being made/released... it's the possibility of a bad day.
Hey Dadkins. Is your glass half full or half empty? :D

I too have seen other great soft-wares gone down the drain, but from what I have read on the Comodo Forum and at Wilder's, I don't think this is going to happen to this one.
Why not Kevin the credit he is due and assume he actually made the right decision. It looks as though he has a long track record of making the right decisions.
Just my thoughts. YMMV

Lee
Only time will tell...
I wish nothing but the very best to Kevin and Nancy!

As for my glass, it has enough for my uses.
It is neither half full or half empty. :o

In all reality, I have no use for BOClean.
I would like to see it in action though.
Maybe, if it stays pretty much the same as it is, I will now get that chance. ;)
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said by dadkins See Profile :

True.
But seeing as more good apps are dying out than there are new ones being made/released... it's the possibility of a bad day.
Hey Dadkins. Is your glass half full or half empty? :D

I too have seen other great soft-wares gone down the drain, but from what I have read on the Comodo Forum and at Wilder's, I don't think this is going to happen to this one.
Why not Kevin the credit he is due and assume he actually made the right decision. It looks as though he has a long track record of making the right decisions.
Just my thoughts. YMMV

Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095529 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:52:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095153 Name Game : Take care buddy..good chat I miss Giant also.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095153 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:25:19 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095099 dadkins : Uhm, I did!
It still doesn't scan cookies, does it?
I removed it because of updating problems and because I found a program that has teeth to replace it with!

Are you trying to say that Defender is as good or better than Giant was?

ROFL! Please stop! :D

Defender is a pile! What was once good scanning code is now junk. Yeah! I want some of that on these machines! :uhh:

Why don't YOU try this:
»www.superantispyware.com/

See what a REAL AS is supposed to do!
Even though SUPER is one of the best, if not THE Best, all that is ever found on my machines is - cookies!
LMAO!

*I* don't care about cookies! LOL!
Nuke 'em, leave 'em... doesn't matter!
They're just cookies!

Of course, YMMV.

I am still wanting to see someone, anyone. do a side-by-side
comparison of BOC now vs BOC Free.

I'm still going to take it for my own test run also. ;)

Take care friend!
David

Oh, BTW, the S/N is dadkins - no "n". :)
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said by Name Game See Profile :

Defender is working just fine..try it

»www.winsupersite.com/reviews/win···eta2.asp
The world's best anti-spyware software? I haven't laughed so much in ages!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095063 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:02:35 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095051 anon : Name Game, trial product is trial product, it's not freeware in any way. No matter how much you beg to differ it was never freeware. Just let go already. All software I used (well 99.9%) provide some sort of trial before you buy, but that is not freeware.

I'm with David on this one. I wish Kevin and Nancy all the best. However, I doubt BOClean will remain to be as good as it was. Maybe for a few months it will, but later in a long run I am skeptical (I'm just like that by nature, don't take it against me). I am not too convinced that Kevin's stay with Comodo is permanent or long. Seen this too many times. Great programmer gets a job with a bigger company and a few months later....I do hope I'm wrong.

While I never used BOClean, I've read so many great things about it. I do hope it will remain to be as good as it was. I was surprised by this move. Although I don't find Comodo Firewall all that bad, frankly, I am not too impressed by it. Not that it's bad. I just don't find it all that. The rest of their products I wouldn't touch. Hence my skepticism towards this acquisition. On the other hand, I can't say I'll care much as I never used it and I never had need for BOClean. I might have considered purchasing it due to it's great reputation (and low price) if it had on-demand scanner. Since it does not (yes I know about single file scanning ability), I have no use for it. I patch my system regularly, I am very careful where I go, what I install so I never got infected by my idiocy.

Do hope great service will remain for all users out there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095051 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:00:49 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18095010 dadkins : I cannot remember dates... not that it matters now though, does it?
How do you know when I owned it?
I *DID* own it.
I *DID* run it.
I *DID* pay for it.
It went to a freebie... without cookie scanning.
It finally got changed into a POS that did virtually nothing!

What part of that can't you grasp?

Do you want to see yet another good/great application go out the same way?
Forget about being a user for a second, look at all the other apps that have went downhill...
Sucks, huh?

Sygate was the best free firewall, you-know-who bought it and now it sucks... Care to comment?

I ask you one more time friend:
Can *YOU* guarantee the users of BOClean, past and present and future, that it will stay the same great product that it was last week?

I really don't think you can... can you?
So, what seems to be the problem with any of my posts? :huh:

Do you currently own a copy of BOClean?
Do you use it?
Is it running?

Tell ya what friend, since it is now going to be a freebie software, email me a copy of the one YOU have!

Thanks! :)
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Customer Support

Giant's customer support was quick to respond to our test emails and offers a "no questions asked" refund policy. In addition, the company now offers live chat on their website for quick turnaround of support issues.

However, we have received a number of complaints in the past two months stating the company had been slow in returning support emails, but Giant claims this was a temporary problem and everything should be running smoothly now.
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»www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18094893 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:23:51 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18094744 Jarmo P : My opinion.

The only Comodo security product I have known that is of some good value is the firewall. It is a product of a one guy only, egemem, I think. I use it currently and it is ok, not as nice to run as kerio 2.1.5 or Sygate. Might install them back later, one or the other.

But Comodo firewall really seems ok. Not so antivirus besides all the boasts.

I never used BOClean, but know its good reputation.
These buys, well they are almost never for good.
One can dream, but as I have read, also that product was from dedicated people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18094744 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:48:09 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18094732 dadkins : Never wanted to buy anything I couldn't try first... kinda funny that way(so are many other people).

I personally don't "need" BOClean.
Currently, I have avast and Outpost running, Spyware Blaster doesn't run, but I did let it do it's writing to the reg.

Is there something magic about my laptops that makes using something like BOClean redundant? Can't call it!

Never ran BOClean, ever.
Do weekly scans with(alot of) other actual scanners and nothing but cookies are ever found. :o
So, that tells me that nothing has made it on my machines - all without ever running BOClean.
I still want to see it in all it's present glory, ya know?

So, can you guarantee me/us that BOClean will be the same as it has been?
Can you guarantee me/us that it will not go in the crapper?

I would really like to run it to see just what(if anything) it has to offer - without it being a nuetered version of it's former self.

Since it is now going to be free, ya want to send me a copy of the one YOU have? :o

Look, like in another thread, and on another forum, I tried out a new "Security Suite" - from a company that I personally like.
This new software by this well liked company blew chunks!
I had NO problem telling them it sucked!
I told them, on their own forum, that it sucked!
Some people there didn't appreciate my candor.
Tough!
It did suck! So, I said it sucked!

I want to see BOClean exactly as all the current users see it!
I want to see for myself if it does or does not have anything to offer. For myself! For me and my computers.

As with any other software out there, if I try it and it's great, I will say so!

If it sucks... I have no problem saying that it sucks!
NO MATTER WHO MAKES IT! ;)

We shall see... huh?
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Uhm, Giant WAS great. I bought it, I used it!
Microsoft bought Giant and seriously screwed it up! :huh:

Sygate was (arguably) the best free firewall out, now it is no longer a viable product - care to comment as to why?

No! I have not used BOClean, but MANY here do!
I share their skepticism as to this product dying out/getting hosed, as other GREAT products have, after a "merger" like this.

Yes! I do plan on finally TRIALING BOClean, but I would really like it to be the same BOClean that the paid customers have been using...

Are you going to guarantee me/us that it will be the same?
Are you going to guarantee me/us that it will not become junk? :hmm:

Thanks! :)
You are welcome..but it is too late to buy BOClean..but you will be able to update your list of products used again on the next poll ;)

»Poll: Which Anti-spyware application do you use?

»Re: Poll: Which Anti-spyware application do you use?

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»www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18094648 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:20:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18094164 dadkins : Uhm, Giant WAS great. I bought it, I used it!
Microsoft bought Giant and seriously screwed it up! :huh:

Sygate was (arguably) the best free firewall out, now it is no longer a viable product - care to comment as to why?

No! I have not used BOClean, but MANY here do!
I share their skepticism as to this product dying out/getting hosed, as other GREAT products have, after a "merger" like this.

Yes! I do plan on finally TRIALING BOClean, but I would really like it to be the same BOClean that the paid customers have been using...

Are you going to guarantee me/us that it will be the same?
Are you going to guarantee me/us that it will not become junk? :hmm:

Thanks! :)
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said by MarkAW See Profile :

said by Name Game See Profile :

One of many even after the Beta..

Download GIANT AntiSpyware 1.0.301 Free Trial - GIANT AntiSpyware ...GIANT AntiSpyware 1.0.301 GIANT AntiSpyware - Search and destroy existing spyware on your computer by scanning or on the fly.
Downloads: 33,374
Developer: GIANT Company Software | More programs by this producer
License: Trial
Price: 29.95 $ to buy

»209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Jh···=3&gl=us
Ok this is getting way off topic now but to see if i can clear this up for Name Game. Giant aloud you to try their program for a time limited trial may it be 15 to 30 days after that time was up you had to buy a license if you wanted to continue to use said program so bluezanetti and danny9 are both right in saying that the program was never free. I hope this has cleared things up in some way and now back on topic.
Hi Mark
nice to see you again..it was free for thousand of techs who dowloaded and used it over and over again to clean other peoples PC's and the net is full of posts like that..and where they also did it with ewido at the same time..I am fully aware of the time constraints.. so I will not pick hairs with you on the subject. or the 33,374 who downloaded it on the above counter..whom I assume All bought it then. ;)

BOClean never even gave a user that option..not shareware..or freeware.. nada..now it will be free.
And I will bet you a dollar to a doughnut..if dadkins used it..he never purchased it in the long run. :D
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»www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18093990 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:38:51 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18093839 MarkAW :
said by Name Game See Profile :

One of many even after the Beta..

Download GIANT AntiSpyware 1.0.301 Free Trial - GIANT AntiSpyware ...GIANT AntiSpyware 1.0.301 GIANT AntiSpyware - Search and destroy existing spyware on your computer by scanning or on the fly.
Downloads: 33,374
Developer: GIANT Company Software | More programs by this producer
License: Trial
Price: 29.95 $ to buy

»209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Jh···=3&gl=us
Ok this is getting way off topic now but to see if i can clear this up for Name Game. Giant aloud you to try their program for a time limited trial may it be 15 to 30 days after that time was up you had to buy a license if you wanted to continue to use said program so bluezanetti and danny9 are both right in saying that the program was never free. I hope this has cleared things up in some way and now back on topic.
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Download GIANT AntiSpyware 1.0.301 Free Trial - GIANT AntiSpyware ...GIANT AntiSpyware 1.0.301 GIANT AntiSpyware - Search and destroy existing spyware on your computer by scanning or on the fly.
Downloads: 33,374
Developer: GIANT Company Software | More programs by this producer
License: Trial
Price: 29.95 $ to buy

»209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Jh···=3&gl=us
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said by Name Game See Profile :

Hi Blue,

Giant was free..and Jim even provided it free well past 1.O..yes I do know some purchased it.

»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gi···e+Search
Hi Name Game,

I guess I beg to differ. The cached pages provided by your search clearly point to a $29.95 piece of shareware. As for Jim..., I have no idea who you're talking about in the context of the current discussion....

Blue]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18093533 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:43:32 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18093513 danny9 : Have to agree with Blue on this one.
Giant was originally a paid program till they where bought out.
The Google links you provided still show the cost as 29.95.
Back in the hey day of Giant, I too bought it.
MS made it free.
Kept it for awhile, until MS started changing it.
Does not run nice with KIS either now.
Thru all of this, BOClean was running in the background.
One Fine program! :)
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Giant was free..and Jim even provided it free well past 1.O..yes I do know some purchased it.

»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gi···e+Search

Now..people complain about it..but fact are it is now called windows defender..
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIANT_AntiSpyware

Most people do not even download it now to use it..

Many think it is part of ONE CARE and it is NOT.

And I still contend that if AV comparative tests were done with both One Care and Defender running on a PC as a Microsoft "package"..the penetration would be lots different than Lab test indicate. But that is another story and Microsoft is stuck with the label.

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said by Name Game See Profile :

You are getting all this mixed up in your mind..Giant was not that greatfor the 'short period' it was even available..but it was free and had potential yet required lots of work to be a standalone and survive..
Name Game,

Actually, Giant was a paid for program. I know, I purchased a license just before it was acquired. In that case, based on personal experience, support for paid customers evaporated immediately after the purchase. I didn't mind the path taken by the vendor, I did mind that support I had purchased was basically withdrawn and an explicit request for a refund, even a partial one, based on the demonstrably poor performance by support was rejected.

As for the present case, PSC staff have an ongoing track record for providing excellent support. I don't see any downsides in the short term. The long term is unknown, as it is for all commercial products.

Blue]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18093396 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:54:36 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18093323 Name Game :
said by dadkins See Profile :

True.
But seeing as more good apps are dying out than there are new ones being made/released... it's the possibility of a bad day.

Too many good programs are now dead... who's next?
Your fav?
My fav?
Both?

BOC, while I have never used it, I don't want to see it die!
That would suck in general, and REALLY suck for users! :huh:
You are getting all this mixed up in your mind..Giant was not that greatfor the 'short period' it was even available..but it was free and had potential yet required lots of work to be a standalone and survive..Sygate was free..but no better that other firewalls in the same category..except it had GUI type whistles and bells that totally confused most average users and increased the paranoia of those who refused to read the manual in the first place..much less set it up correctly for their "specific use".

BOClean you have never used..and you have numerous post now on the subject. It will be free for some to use now. whether you decide to take advantage of that..I can assure you it will be painless. ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18093323 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:27:56 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18092979 Graystoke : Well, both Comodo and BOClean sound sincere. I know that usually doesn't mean much in the corporate world, but maybe this time it will. Only time will tell. Unfortunately there is not much anyone can do about it but wait and see. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18092979 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:37:58 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18092227 dadkins : True.
But seeing as more good apps are dying out than there are new ones being made/released... it's the possibility of a bad day.

Too many good programs are now dead... who's next?
Your fav?
My fav?
Both?

BOC, while I have never used it, I don't want to see it die!
That would suck in general, and REALLY suck for users! :huh:
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Regards]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18092089 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:03:09 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18092033 Graystoke :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Norton used to be ok... now?
Sygate used to be great... now?
Giant used to be great... now?

See a pattern forming?
People that have and use BOClean DO NOT want to see it achieve the same fate.

I don't blame them!
Thinks do change though... not always for the best.
I have never used BOClean, but it will sadden me if it too goes in the crapper!

I know what Kevin posted, I also know what others have stated about THEIR products... :hmm:

We shall see, we shall see.
I understand what you are saying, dadkins, and I would hope Comodo isn't the cold hearted corporation that Symantec is. But if you spend all your time worrying about something you have no control over, it will drive you crazy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18092033 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:49:02 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18091883 Libra : I've been using BOClean for 5 years and have always felt my computer(s) were very much protected by it. Danny9's link to Kevin's post has put my mind at ease somewhat about this. I don't mind others being able to get the product free, but I do wonder what the implications regarding targeting certain malware will become without BOClean's previous legal protection.

I also wonder what support will be like under Comodo. I'm used to e-mailing Kevin if I have a problem.

I hope this all works out well.

Sincerely, Libra]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18091883 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:14:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18091214 dadkins : Norton used to be ok... now?
Sygate used to be great... now?
Giant used to be great... now?

See a pattern forming?
People that have and use BOClean DO NOT want to see it achieve the same fate.

I don't blame them!
Thinks do change though... not always for the best.
I have never used BOClean, but it will sadden me if it too goes in the crapper!

I know what Kevin posted, I also know what others have stated about THEIR products... :hmm:

We shall see, we shall see.
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edit: wrong forum quoted]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18086966 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:21:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18086844 mers2 :
said by mouse See Profile :

After reading through nine pages I am still baffled as to the animosity displayed towards Comodo. To a certain degree I can understand that a favourite program being "swallowed" gives rise to concern - how good will support be, what will new development come to, will it become bloatware etc.

However, many of the posts here insinuate that the devil himself is grabbing BoClean and I wonder if anyone posting these dire warnings would like to provide some specifics as to why Comodo is a threat and what they alleged evil doings in the past have been.
To me a lot of the post are bordering on hysteria.
Some of what you've seen is generated by personality conflicts with the CEO of Comodo. Creative geeks often come off the wrong way with others even when they mean no harm.

The rest is probably due to the fact that Comodo is relatively new and some of the other products have been buggy. There isn't the trust and respect built up - something that BoClean has earned and established with over 10 years of outstanding programming and service. Also, there have been many examples of excellent programs being bought out by larger companies where the ending hasn't been rosy, to say the least. It appears from Kevin's response at Wilder's this may very well be the exception to the rule.

Welcome to dslr, by the way. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18086844 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:54:58 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18086799 mouse : After reading through nine pages I am still baffled as to the animosity displayed towards Comodo. To a certain degree I can understand that a favourite program being "swallowed" gives rise to concern - how good will support be, what will new development come to, will it become bloatware etc.

However, many of the posts here insinuate that the devil himself is grabbing BoClean and I wonder if anyone posting these dire warnings would like to provide some specifics as to why Comodo is a threat and what they alleged evil doings in the past have been.
To me a lot of the post are bordering on hysteria.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18086799 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:48:21 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085919 doormans : Why doesn't everyone just go to Wilders and read Kevins posts? I'm concerned to but his posts there have pretty much cured the fears for now. Comodo boclean is better than no Boclean at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085919 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:12:06 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085519 Just Bob : In addition to jaykaykay's comments above, business etiquette dictates that the company spending the money gets to make the announcement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085519 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:59:21 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085259 jaykaykay :
said by ZZZZZZZ See Profile :

As much as I wish K&N well..............I think it would have been nice to receive an email telling those who paid good money for this product WTH was happening and WTH is going to happen!

As far as I'm concerned,all this cloak and dagger crap is bs!
I was going to let this comment go but since so many others agree with it, I am going to point something out. Business practices usually don't permit announcing a sale or acquisition of a company until it's a done deal and the i's are dotted and all is over. Then it's announced, not before...even to paying customers. This goes for large as well as small companies. It's not cloak and dagger really. It's just common, every day good business practice.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085259 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:08:32 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085165 jaykaykay :
said by mers2 See Profile :

said by jaykaykay See Profile :

I just hope that Kevin and Nancy are treated squarely and as well as they should be. I don't know them but still feel that they are very special people.
Aside from concerns about Comodo's commitment to BoClean, this has been my concern as well. Kevin and Nancy have always gone above and beyond for their customers and I hope that in addition to being paid well, Comodo will always honor whatever agreement they made with Kevin in working for them - even going beyond the original agreement.
It is, of course, a concern to me for the same reason, but I prefer to think in a positive manner to start with. If Kevin is given short shrift, I firmly believe that he will have gone to bat for us, his customers, as much as he possibly could. If all goes to pot even though he still does that, then he loses too. I hope that isn't the case.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085165 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:47:44 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18085135 Blackbird : What's with the complaints that BOClean may become free?

The day before yesterday, I bought 2 cases of Pepsi locally at the regular price. Yesterday, it went on sale at the same chain on an unadvertised special of 2-for-1. I certainly wish I'd waited another day and saved some bucks - but who would have guessed? However, I'm not perturbed with the retailer for suddenly selling it one day at half of what it was the previous day. And I'd not even be upset if a store decided to run some promo that gave the stuff away. I made my original purchase decision based on perceived value vs price, and the stuff was still worth that to me even after the price dropped.

This sort of thing happens to us every day in other areas of our lives besides computers. BOClean costs, what, $30? I realize that $30 is still $30... but if it was "worth it" when one paid that for it, it has no less value to that buyer even if it suddenly were being given away somewhere. Lighten up, folks. It's water over the dam. Relax... breath deeply... de-stress your life!
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The fact remains, an awake alert person can divulge information better for it, hopefully we will see the affects of this passed on to the users.

Comodo, learn from the approach of Kevin and Nancy, and we all may see a better product in the future.

One thing though, what is to become of your users already ? I was pushing a few people to use this software, but hadn't got to the purchase stage for them, even though in the big picture it wouldn't have meant much financially for NS, they are home users, not corporate giants, who value the money they earn and where it goes.

Good luck with your future endeavours with the malware out there, as we know it is something you are passionate about.
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to see this news, but guess Kevin and Nancy did what
they had to do, and I wish them best of luck with this
transition, hope it works out well for them, and for
current, and new users.

Regards,

Wake]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084417 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:21:15 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084337 mers2 :
said by jaykaykay See Profile :

I just hope that Kevin and Nancy are treated squarely and as well as they should be. I don't know them but still feel that they are very special people.
Aside from concerns about Comodo's commitment to BoClean, this has been my concern as well. Kevin and Nancy have always gone above and beyond for their customers and I hope that in addition to being paid well, Comodo will always honor whatever agreement they made with Kevin in working for them - even going beyond the original agreement.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084337 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:07:49 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084212 jaykaykay : I bought it when I bought it. I have never regretted a minute of the $$ I paid, and I never will. It's been and will continue to be one of the better investments toward my security, and as I've said, unless I am shown a reason why I shouldn't be, I will continue to think and feel as i do and use BOC. I just hope that Kevin and Nancy are treated squarely and as well as they should be. I don't know them but still feel that they are very special people.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084212 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:45:30 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084042 sharpy merc : One point about the FREE BOClean that gonna hit the WWW soon,

Bet more than a few Malware/Bot runners let a softly spoken "Shit!" slip under their breath!

Stay Lean, stay mean, stay BOCLEAN!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084042 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:09:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083906 mers2 : I heard from Nancy yesterday. If you bought the program after March 1 the 30 day refund program will be honored up to the 30 day point. Information will be on the website in the next day or so to clarify this. They are going to look out for those who paid money for the program - both those who keep it and those who qualify for the refund and desire it. The same great BoClean service.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083906 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:45:55 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083576 anon : I bought it 12 days ago. Still waiting to hear back about the guarenteed no questions aked for 30 days refund.

I really like Kevin and Nancy, But honestly, I'd have waited to use it free. I will wait and see what BoClean turns into.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083576 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:49:05 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083342 Cudni : It is not that i missed your point as much as i thought that it goes without saying that ideally the news would have been placed on the respective sites first followed by emails and or user forum postings. Maybe the news were leaked or they were too excited and forgot their business manners etc.

Cudni
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Sorry you've missed my point -- the news of the acquisition should have been released by PSC first, not posted in the Comodo forums. Any (if any ;)) BOClean users that have not yet seen this BBR topic or Wilders topic still would not know.

The "People would still feel offended that they paid for it and soon it will be offered free ..." is a separate issue and is to be expected when acquisitions happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083278 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:49:00 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083248 MarkAW : Ok after reading this post that Kevin made i feel better....

quote:
OK, one last and then I *have* to get to work and won't be back for a few days. Melih and I *want* to get it out sometime next week, that's the *goal*. I can guarantee that we can do it by then for certain if we completely stop doing malware analysis completely and concentrate solely on that. But it's *MY* call and as always, getting those updates out MUST come first even if it causes a slip in the deadline for another day or three. Sorry, I have a DUTY to ensure that those who PAID for BOClean get the support *I* promised and the updates *I* promised. For those who will be getting it free however, there's a COMODO forum ... question can be asked and tracked over there. My duty right now though is to those who paid and are now unpleasantly surprised. Anyone who's known Nancy and I over the years knows that a promise made is a promise kept and I gotta ensure that doesn't change.

So since I don't speak for COMODO but I *do* speak for BOClean, as soon as humanly possible, it'll be out. I don't believe in releasing duds either.

...knowing that as always to Kevin we the customers of BOClean come first.
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Cudni
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said by Cudni See Profile :

said by ZZZZZZZ See Profile :

I think it would have been nice to receive an email telling those who paid good money for this product WTH was happening and WTH is going to happen!

they could have emailed and risk prison as the prior knowledge could and would affect the price and potentially make somebody gain unfair advantage; see
»www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost···count=71

Cudni
The point is a lot of the hoopla in this thread and the Wilders's thread could have been mitigated if the Comodo / BOClean acquisition was released via email from PSC and on PSC website first rather than breaking (leaking) the news in Comodo forums. Legally what's the difference if made public in Comodo forums or from PSC?

I also wish Kevin and Nancy the best, and have no doubts as to their dedication to BOClean, the bottom line, IMHO, BOClean users should have learned about the acquisition from PSC, not reading about it via a post at BBR or Wilders' about a post in the Comodo forums. :huh:

There's still nothing at PSC "Latest news & updates", or the BOClean product page. If you click on the image of the BOClean box or "PLACE BOCLEAN Order" Box you're taken to Comodo page.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083138 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:20:56 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082980 Taget :
said by PissedDay :

If you bought something and within the next two months, it becomes free. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

Do you get it?
I bought it three months ago. Feel kinda meh since I could've waited and gotten it free. On the other hand it is a good program and it's not like it cost big money (though certainly there are other things I could've spent it on). Nothing worth getting bitter about. Just hope the product stays as is.

Seems to be it is a program that would be worthwhile for Comodo to continue to support. A good solid clean lightweight engine is something that has value beyond the BoClean product and can be integrated into other value added products in the future. It also has little risk of cannibalizing other product lines as long as it stays light.

Why are most products bloated? People like bloat. They look at a product like boclean that just sits there and does NOTHING unless it has to and they just don't feel as satisfied as they are with something with multiple pointless bells and whistles. Naturally that is a view hopefully most of us here don't have.

Providing free simple yet effective tools to power users who are often influential in shaping peoples perceptions to help promote future integrated "feature rich" products aimed at less knowledable consumers doesn't seem like that bad of a business model.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082980 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:52:44 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082853 Cudni :
said by ZZZZZZZ See Profile :

I think it would have been nice to receive an email telling those who paid good money for this product WTH was happening and WTH is going to happen!

they could have emailed and risk prison as the prior knowledge could and would affect the price and potentially make somebody gain unfair advantage; see
»www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost···count=71

Cudni
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said by madirish See Profile :

threads back up
Yes, indeed. Thanks. I quickly read it in case they decide to remove it again. I don't know what it was that caused the lock but now it is well sanitised yet still worth a look :)

Cudni
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As far as I'm concerned,all this cloak and dagger crap is bs!
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edit ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082577 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:30:24 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082554 Ryan : Everyone just leave it at that or this thread will be closed also.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082554 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:25:46 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082496 Larenda : I was reading the thread when it was taken off. Do you think it was because of the remarks he made about DSLR?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082496 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:13:45 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082468 Mele20 : Nothing was OT and no flames. The truth was finally told by Kevin but Wilders could have been liable if they let the thread stand and that is why it was removed. Kevin's posts also explained why he and Nancy chose not to post in this thread. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082468 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:09:06 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082455 Cudni : so what did Kevin say, truth should not be hidden

Cudni]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082455 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:05:01 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082452 jack b : As long as comments don't get personal or too far OT there should be no issue.

Yes, Locked and cleaned but remaining visible would be preferable.

Unless Kevin requested the removal and lock, then fine. Otherwise it should remain public.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082452 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:03:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082450 Cudni :
said by jack b See Profile :

Lemme guess, since I missed the fun...
Would it have anything to do with Flames???
Nah...didn't think so.
Nah, not the flames, they make things go brown. Pity the threads are removed with all the interesting info instead of maybe the topic cleaned and locked but visible.

Cudni
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082447 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:02:41 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082438 Buddel :
said by jack b See Profile :

All the discussion threads at Wilders have been removed.
Let's hope the same thing will not happen with this thread. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082438 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:00:32 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082430 Larenda : Any ideas on why they closed the threads?

L]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082430 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:58:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082422 jack b : Lemme guess, since I missed the fun...
Would it have anything to do with Flames???
Nah...didn't think so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082422 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:57:43 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082398 Cudni :
said by jack b See Profile :

All the discussion threads at Wilders have been removed.
do you know/guess why?

Cudni
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MVP, Microsoft Windows Security 2006]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082398 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:53:44 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082383 jack b : All the discussion threads at Wilders have been removed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082383 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:50:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081702 bettywont : tempnexus
Well answered!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081702 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:07:19 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081628 anon :
said by dadkins See Profile :

said by EGeezer See Profile :I read that, but can see a shorter work day in a consulting capacity for them, and more time and a few bucks for fun things. Something like that is quite common when folks past the "raising kids" stage sell a business. But then, it's just speculation until they decide to share their plans.
Not you EGeezer, the anon poster that quoted you.

I wish Kevin and Nancy all the best!
I also look forward to test-thrashing the freebie.

Not that I think I really need it here, but I like new shiny things! LOL! :D
Come on dadkins, lighten up! Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, the thumbs up was for quieting the bashers, not Nancy & Kevin's retirement.
Sparrow See Profile :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081628 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:54:35 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081553 Mele20 :
said by JimmyD See Profile :

For those interested, I asked Melih this question in the Comodo forums. He basically said that nothing will change and he welcomes any malware providers to try and sue them.

See his reply #45 in this thread:

»forums.comodo.com/index.php/topi···.45.html
Did he understand the question? From his answer it appears not. That was a childish boast he gave, not a reasoned answer that his attorneys would approve or that has merit. I want to hear what his legal counsel has to say about this. Or Melih can answer the question in a SUBSTANTIVE MANNER instead of letting his ego talk for him. In contrast, recall reading some of Alex Eckelberry's reasoned blogs and posts here regarding the squeezing put on him a couple of years ago, how his attorneys advised him in one direction and he didn't want that, and the difficult moral decisions he had to make?
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081553 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:41:46 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081417 anon : Hehehe looks like I'll FINALLY get to test Boclean to see if it's worth buying......oh yeah, it's going to be free now lol. ;) :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081417 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:17:18 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081383 danny9 : Well answered and I agree with you.
It is always said there is a first time for everything.
BOClean may actually be the first to get better after a buy out!!! :)
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I know I am being pessimistic about this, but that is life and so far my life has been through the school of hardknocks which thought me to be "waery"...especially in the field of security.

However, after fully reading his reply I do feel reassured. I really do HOPE that he will be able to do everything he wants to do. He has, the brains, the drive/desire and the knowhow to make it perfect...all he needs now is to be allowed to do it all that he wants to do.

I guess, all in all only time will tell. I have nothing but my deepest respect for Kevin and Nancy, I just do not want their wonderfull product getting ruined.

P.S.
It's just that in the past when a bigger company swallowed the smaller one, then the once great product of the smaller company really suffered.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081335 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:37:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081320 bettywont : I'am shocked with your supercilious remarks and assumptions
You should really R E A D --What Kevin wrote
»www.wilderssecurity.com/showthre···st973209 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081320 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:30:24 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081311 Mowergun : Well, I just read the posts by Kevin and Nancy over at Wilders and I feel much reassured. :)

It sounds as if there are exciting things to come! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081311 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:26:18 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081225 CajunTek :
said by NetFixer See Profile :

I really don't understand all of the animosity being expressed toward Comodo Group.

Their primary business is supplying web site SSL and other security certificates. I was impressed by all the hoops I had to jump through to prove to them that I was who I said I was and that the company and web site were legitimate when I applied to get an SSL certificate for a web site a number of years ago. From my experience, that company takes security very seriously.
Exactly, and many folks have been extolling the virtue of the Comodo firewall here for some time.. and now all of sudden they buy BOClean and they are the devil and his minions... Shoot, I hope that they do a great job with this.. and I'll go a step further, I expect they will do a great job with it..

Whatever happens.. I'm going to give it a spin and see..
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Their primary business is supplying web site SSL and other security certificates. I was impressed by all the hoops I had to jump through to prove to them that I was who I said I was and that the company and web site were legitimate when I applied to get an SSL certificate for a web site a number of years ago. From my experience, that company takes security very seriously.
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Test your firewall.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081124 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:25:06 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081109 dadkins : Thanks justin1278! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081109 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:18:52 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081059 justin1278 :
said by dadkins See Profile :

said by justin1278 See Profile :

Hello everyone,

My name is Justin and I am a moderator over on the Comodo Forums.

The entire PSC product line will now be free of charge, also Nancy and Kevin will continue to work on the products! They will now have a bigger team and more resources to make a better product, and now it will be offered free along with all of the other software products.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
WHEN?

When will all locations have live download links so we can "Take her for a spin"?

Thanks justin1278!
David
You can expect BoCleaner to be available again sometime next week. I cannot confirm the other products however, but I would expect them to be released around the same time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18081059 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:05:10 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080952 danny9 :
said by mongol See Profile :

A very good post by him. Good to read his explanation of what's going on here.... :)
Yes it is and I believe him.
Any man that stakes his life and reputation on this desrves that chance.
He has my support and we'll see what the near future holds.

With Kevin there now, who knows. Comodo just may come up with one of the best av's on the market!

As far as the knocks Mileh?? is getting about his ego, I disagree with that. He should be applauded.
Ego is what drives us. If he had no ego he'd still be on the streets talking about his great idea. :)
Ego is the confidence we have in ourselves and knowing that what we do or have is good, or I believe in myself!
The warped philosophy going around that egos, money and success is bad is totally wrong.
What a person does with it could be wrong but of itself is a good thing.
Just ask anyone who is one step up from the lemmings! :)
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To Think or not to Think: That is the real question. VoicePulse 07/29/04]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080952 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:37:34 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080892 tempnexus : I am indeed really happy for them since from all of my convos with Kevin I knew how hard they had to work. However, it takes time for me to trust any company and I really trusted NSclean with my system to the point where it was the first thing I installed.
Now I will have to once again give this new spawn a test of time. I just hate to have a very good thing slip away, and now have to give it months to years of "trust time".
I know that Kevin will try to keep the new product up to it's highest standard but since he will no longer be the one making the final decisions, I know that some of the things and some of the new decisions will be made by the new company and unfortunately he will have to accept them even if they do not agree with his philosophy.
That is the difference of working for somone or being your own boss. :(
I have never really trusted Comodo, It would take a lot more then few years to really get used to them.
That is my only gripe, a surefire security company with my full trust has just given away to still great security company but under an umbrella of not so great corporation.

As everyone else has said...only time will tell.

P.S.
This would explain the False Positive I got last week, where Boclean ID a windows update executable as a Trojan. :) I guess Kevin was training the new guys and they missed a few. :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080892 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:25:20 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080806 mongol : A very good post by him. Good to read his explanation of what's going on here.... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080806 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:09:37 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080762 danny9 : Kevin has just put up a post at Wilders.

»www.wilderssecurity.com/showthre···st973209
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To Think or not to Think: That is the real question. VoicePulse 07/29/04]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080762 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:01:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080758 balloonshark : at the moment we will keep it as Comodo BOClean.
»forums.comodo.com/index.php/topi···msg55255
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If we quit voting, will they all just go away?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080758 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:00:58 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080721 danny9 :
said by SnowyOne See Profile :

said by danny9 See Profile :

Some one at Wilders posted it as BOModo! :)
As long as they stay away from any version of "CommodeClean" I'm OK with a name change. :)
LOL! Good one! :)
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To Think or not to Think: That is the real question. VoicePulse 07/29/04]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080721 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:55:58 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080712 SnowyOne :
said by danny9 See Profile :

Some one at Wilders posted it as BOModo! :)
As long as they stay away from any version of "CommodeClean" I'm OK with a name change. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080712 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:53:24 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080676 danny9 :
said by Owlbet See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Kevin will continue at COMODO with BOClean(or whatever they decide to call it).
BOComodo, perhaps? :p

Now past my initial shock that Kevin & Nancy have passed the reins to Comodo, I've no choice but to take a wait and see attitude.
Some one at Wilders posted it as BOModo! :)
Good name also.
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To Think or not to Think: That is the real question. VoicePulse 07/29/04]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080676 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:45:31 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080659 La Luna :
said by pissedday :

That quote comes from Nsclean.
I have talked to almost every company in the business. Only two others pursued this beyond blowing me off.
So? You seem to be very angry about this, more than anyone else. Not sure why that would be.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080659 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:42:36 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080658 Ryan : I dont feel as worried anymore, between the responses from comodo and nsclean i dont think anyone should worry. If comodo keeps their word then it will benefit everyone. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080658 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:42:26 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080637 La Luna :
said by dadkins See Profile :

WHEN?

When will all locations have live download links so we can "Take her for a spin"?

Thanks justin1278!
David
I think they said over there that they hope to have it available next week sometime.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080637 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:39:08 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080631 anon : That quote comes from Nsclean.
I have talked to almost every company in the business. Only two others pursued this beyond blowing me off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080631 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:38:48 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080593 bettywont : You are ass u ming and have no proof that no one else wanted BOCLEAN.They have worked day and night for 10 years
Seems to me Comondo got the golden nugget!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080593 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:30:48 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080449 anon : »www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost···count=71
quote:
Unfortunately the business law in the US does not allow that.

In fact, we've been at this for months along with struggling to stay afloat. I have talked to almost every company in the business. Only two others pursued this beyond blowing me off. One decided it would "be too expensive to integrate it" into their product, the other claimed they are "already doing this" though we know they aren't. Since there's nondisclosures with both as well signed during negotiations I will not name names.

Seems they are "forced" to sold to Comodo since no one wants them. Is this good?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080449 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:01:14 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080441 dvd536 :
said by HA Nut See Profile :

FWIW, I don't see this as a good thing either. :huh:

I run BOClean at home and we run it on 20 or so PCs at work. It was a key component of my/our defense for all these PCs.

I agree that Privacy Software probably sold to the wrong company. :(
I bet the privacy policy goes out the window too.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Kevin will continue at COMODO with BOClean(or whatever they decide to call it).
BOComodo, perhaps? :p

Now past my initial shock that Kevin & Nancy have passed the reins to Comodo, I've no choice but to take a wait and see attitude. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080438 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:58:37 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080425 bettywont : I have to believe that Kevin and Nancy would have set their terms and conditions; with their high standards
before selling their company.They worked day and night
to keep the highest standards.BOCLEAN will become even
better cause Keven is only one person, and with a team
behind him, he will be able to fulfill his dreams and make his product even better.
I wish Nancy and Kevin the very best of luck for the future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080425 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:56:02 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080314 tempnexus : Will we still able to use our CURRENT version of Boclean and update that or will we be forced to download the new "FREE" version? Will the udpate servers still remain the same?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080314 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:40:06 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080261 doormans : Found this over at GSF:
»gladiator-antivirus.com/forum/in···ic=52426

More information regards BoClean

Well, we will continue with the whole product range. We will make available sizeable amount of resources to Kevin so that he can take all these products to next level. Kevin will be responsible (as he was) for taking these products to next level and we as Comodo will support him fully by enabling much more resources for him.

All we want to do is to continue the great tradition that Kevin & Nancy has successfully carried out and enable Kevin to make his products even better. He just has more resources to achieve it now.

Melih

Grand Dad

Sigh. :p ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080261 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:30:36 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080241 dadkins :
said by justin1278 See Profile :

Hello everyone,

My name is Justin and I am a moderator over on the Comodo Forums.

The entire PSC product line will now be free of charge, also Nancy and Kevin will continue to work on the products! They will now have a bigger team and more resources to make a better product, and now it will be offered free along with all of the other software products.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
WHEN?

When will all locations have live download links so we can "Take her for a spin"?

Thanks justin1278!
David
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said by EGeezer See Profile :

I read that, but can see a shorter work day in a consulting capacity for them, and more time and a few bucks for fun things. Something like that is quite common when folks past the "raising kids" stage sell a business. But then, it's just speculation until they decide to share their plans.
Not you EGeezer, the anon poster that quoted you.

I wish Kevin and Nancy all the best!
I also look forward to test-thrashing the freebie.

Not that I think I really need it here, but I like new shiny things! LOL! :D
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Think outside the Fox... Opera]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080227 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:25:43 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080218 Curley :
said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by Ryan See Profile :

said by Mowergun See Profile :

said by Kevin :
Strange legal situation for us under New York State law - we got sued a number of years ago over a backdoor turned "commercial" called "Netbus" ... every other vendor caved to their "do not detect us" demand whereas we stood up to them in agreeing to offer removal as an "option" rather than a promise. Our legal basis for the precedent was that we were not legally considered a "common carrier" by nature of our not distributing our software to the "general public" and legally, that constituted the equivalent of a "private club" wherein we were required to satisfy the requirements of our "members" as to what we covered. Long and thin of it was that we are not held to the same legal standards as "publicly available" software. That's always been our ace in the hole over the years, and the reason why when certain "spyware" companies threatened us, we could legally thumb our noses at their requests NOT to detect them on the basis of "our customers can choose to exclude and not detect."

To our lawyers, if we cross that line and "go public" with a freebie, then that precedent could be eroded.


This is what concerns me.

Anyway, I wish Kevin and Nancy the best. You have given me my money's worth many times over. I will choose to remain optimistic about the future. :)
I believe with the way comodo does things you will still have to register with an email and name. By registering you are joining their "club" which is no different then bocleans current status except the price will be $0.
I'm not an attorney but I strongly believe that is not the same thing at all and that BoClean has, under the law, lost its protection.

I agree strongly with the poster here who said that it should have been sold to Sunbelt. Alex Eckleberry has spoken eloquently of the difficult struggles facing him and all anti-malware vendors regarding the pressure from the sleazeballs. He cares like Kevin and together they would have been a great team.l I also think Eset would have been a fine choice or Frisk. Comodo is the LAST solution that should have been considered. With no legal protection now, I don't believe for one minute that Melih will stand up to the pressure although I think in the beginning he will make it appear that he has ...in his bombastic way. Even if this is a acquisition similar to Microsoft's acquisition of SysInternals, I still would mourn the loss.
If they offer any kind of free or trial version to the general public then yes it sounds like they then lose that special privilege they once had and open themselves up to possible lawsuits by certain vendors if they do not remove them from there detection. It was one of the things that made BoClean so unique and special over their competition.

Boclean was very focused on doing one thing really well, whereas Comodo wants to try to do everything for everyone. That can't be good over the long term. The quality of Boclean will certainly deteriorate with time as it becomes less and less important over all.

I wish Boclean could of went to a better home as well. I am not very impressed with Comodo's beta quality products or its CEO and his ego. I hope Kevin and Nancy got paid really well for there efforts because they deserve it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080218 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:24:32 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080170 rotty97 : I'm no lawyer but if Comodo charged 5 cents to be able to use BOClean then they would still be covered under the same laws
????]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080170 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:17:30 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080164 JimmyD :
said by Mowergun See Profile :

If BOClean becomes free, then I wonder what happens to the immunity from intimidation by bad guys that the makers of BOClean have as a consequence of the NY court ruling. My understanding is that since they have not in the past made available a free evaluation version, they have a right to detect whatever they want on behalf of their subscribers.
For those interested, I asked Melih this question in the Comodo forums. He basically said that nothing will change and he welcomes any malware providers to try and sue them.

See his reply #45 in this thread:

»forums.comodo.com/index.php/topi···.45.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080164 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:17:01 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080161 justin1278 : Hello everyone,

My name is Justin and I am a moderator over on the Comodo Forums.

The entire PSC product line will now be free of charge, also Nancy and Kevin will continue to work on the products! They will now have a bigger team and more resources to make a better product, and now it will be offered free along with all of the other software products.

If you have any questions feel free to ask. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080161 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:31 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080131 EGeezer : I read that, but can see a shorter work day in a consulting capacity for them, and more time and a few bucks for fun things. Something like that is quite common when folks past the "raising kids" stage sell a business. But then, it's just speculation until they decide to share their plans.
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said by CS Anon Style :

said by EGeezer See Profile :

I just hope they got enough money out of the sale to be able to at least semi-retire and tell all the personal bashers to kiss off :D

Maybe Kevin (AKA Selkirk TMO) and Nancy will start their own trolley museum!!! :)
AMEN!!
You rock! :D

Best of luck to Kevin and Nancy and pass the Guinness! :)
Didn't read did you?
Kevin will continue at COMODO with BOClean(or whatever they decide to call it).

Kevin is still in it.

"BOClean has a very effective engine and more importantly top notch expertise and people in the field. We are happy to announce that Kevin will be joining forces with Comodo and work with us to create world's best Anti malware/virus/trojan/spyware/rootkit product around for FREE!"

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said by EGeezer See Profile :

I just hope they got enough money out of the sale to be able to at least semi-retire and tell all the personal bashers to kiss off :D

Maybe Kevin (AKA Selkirk TMO) and Nancy will start their own trolley museum!!! :)
AMEN!!
You rock! :D

Best of luck to Kevin and Nancy and pass the Guinness! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080103 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:04:15 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080078 HA Nut : FWIW, I don't see this as a good thing either. :huh:

I run BOClean at home and we run it on 20 or so PCs at work. It was a key component of my/our defense for all these PCs.

I agree that Privacy Software probably sold to the wrong company. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080078 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:58:00 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080075 Name Game :
said by Mele20 See Profile :

I'm surprised at you. :(

Melih is a real piece of work. I see nothing good in this except Kevin and Nancy finally have some money.
No you are not..you're just too busy slamming developers personally all over the Security Forums on the BOClean rant..you think it detracts from the ability of the product and the technology put into it.
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said by Name Game See Profile :

A learned friend suggested....

"When Comodo releases BOClean it may really change the whole landscape of the HiJackthis world. For instance we'll have to change our "Guidelines" to

1. Download and install Comodo's BOClean
2. Have a nice day"

;)
Seems reasonable boclean for free where is the harm?
I don't use Windows, but for windows users would this not be a plus?
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said by PissedDay :

If you bought something and within the next two months, it becomes free. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?
It wouldn't bother me that much. I purchased Opera & their upgrades for years and now it's free. I'm not banging my head over it. If you make a purchase, you must think it's worth it at the time.

The only time I get upset is when I purchase plane tickets and the next day they drop $100. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080038 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:51:10 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080032 anon : The sky is falling...

The sky is falling...

Speculation is cheap and like opinions... Maybe just wait and see what happens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18080032 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:49:25 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079945 Mele20 : I'm surprised at you. :(

Melih is a real piece of work. I see nothing good in this except Kevin and Nancy finally have some money. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079945 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:36:09 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079924 tempnexus : Among many things I don't like about this change is that soon we might have to install the Cumodo Suite or Cumodo Firewall in order to employ the BoClean support. I personally care less for Cumodo Firewall since I have my own and I like my own firewall. I will hate to be forced to use Cumodo firewall in order to use Boclean capability. :( Let's hope it does not come to that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079924 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:32:32 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079897 anon : If you bought something and within the next two months, it becomes free. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

Do you get it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079897 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:27:06 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079891 Name Game : A learned friend suggested....

"When Comodo releases BOClean it may really change the whole landscape of the HiJackthis world. For instance we'll have to change our "Guidelines" to

1. Download and install Comodo's BOClean
2. Have a nice day"

;)
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said by doormans See Profile :

It would be great if someone from Boclean would post somewhere and be a little more specific to put the loyal users and PURCHASERS of it at ease about what is going to happen.
The one post by Nancy made in the Wilders thread is quoted here: »Re: Comodo acquires BOClean.
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079882 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:24:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079850 doormans : This is all speculation that we have going on here. Will we still get lifetime updates? Who knows. Will the comodo clean team cave to pressure from malware vendors to exclude them from detection? Who knows? All I know is that I want Boclean to sit there silently, updating and do its thing. I speculate that that will shortly become a thing of the past. It would be great if someone from Boclean would post somewhere and be a little more specific to put the loyal users and PURCHASERS of it at ease about what is going to happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079850 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:17:22 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079791 JimmyD :
said by PissedDay :


But what do BOClean customers get? Nothing. I'm pissed because I bought it for less than 4 months.

This is a win win situation for the developers but us customers? We lose out!
How exactly do "us customers" lose out? Kevin now works for Comodo. BOClean will continue to be developed (maybe the name will change to ComodoClean.) "Us customers" will continue to get updates. Once again, how do we lose out??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079791 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:03:35 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079622 anon :
quote:
That's my main concern as well as,will BOClean go the way Ewido did when Avg bought them, don't get me wrong Ewido was a great program and still is as Avg, all i am saying is that i hope BOClean stays the way it has been over the years and Comodo doesn't force Kevin to change anything or turn it into a suite, BOClean is fine the way it is.

At least ewido customers get to keep their lifetime license. At least they protect their customers.
But what do BOClean customers get? Nothing. I'm pissed because I bought it for less than 4 months.

This is a win win situation for the developers but us customers? We lose out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079622 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:25:55 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079608 Mele20 :
said by Ryan See Profile :

said by Mowergun See Profile :

said by Kevin :
Strange legal situation for us under New York State law - we got sued a number of years ago over a backdoor turned "commercial" called "Netbus" ... every other vendor caved to their "do not detect us" demand whereas we stood up to them in agreeing to offer removal as an "option" rather than a promise. Our legal basis for the precedent was that we were not legally considered a "common carrier" by nature of our not distributing our software to the "general public" and legally, that constituted the equivalent of a "private club" wherein we were required to satisfy the requirements of our "members" as to what we covered. Long and thin of it was that we are not held to the same legal standards as "publicly available" software. That's always been our ace in the hole over the years, and the reason why when certain "spyware" companies threatened us, we could legally thumb our noses at their requests NOT to detect them on the basis of "our customers can choose to exclude and not detect."

To our lawyers, if we cross that line and "go public" with a freebie, then that precedent could be eroded.


This is what concerns me.

Anyway, I wish Kevin and Nancy the best. You have given me my money's worth many times over. I will choose to remain optimistic about the future. :)
I believe with the way comodo does things you will still have to register with an email and name. By registering you are joining their "club" which is no different then bocleans current status except the price will be $0.
I'm not an attorney but I strongly believe that is not the same thing at all and that BoClean has, under the law, lost its protection.

I agree strongly with the poster here who said that it should have been sold to Sunbelt. Alex Eckleberry has spoken eloquently of the difficult struggles facing him and all anti-malware vendors regarding the pressure from the sleazeballs. He cares like Kevin and together they would have been a great team.l I also think Eset would have been a fine choice or Frisk. Comodo is the LAST solution that should have been considered. With no legal protection now, I don't believe for one minute that Melih will stand up to the pressure although I think in the beginning he will make it appear that he has ...in his bombastic way. Even if this is a acquisition similar to Microsoft's acquisition of SysInternals, I still would mourn the loss.

This does seem to be the year for large, mostly faceless corporate entities to gobble up the smaller guy...all to our peril. We are getting a Super Walmart here (only one in the state) and the local grocers, including Safeway (which as a chain is surprising it is concerned), are very worried. The other two grocery stores are local and the best one, with the lowest prices and best customer service, is really vulnerable to a SuperWalmart. What a bummer if we end up with only one grocery store. These giants think only of themselves and never the customers and ultimately leave the customers with impoverished choices.
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Maybe Kevin (AKA Selkirk TMO) and Nancy will start their own trolley museum!!! :)
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»Spam, Scam and Phishbusters]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079431 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:41:27 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079302 mers2 :
said by SnowyOne See Profile :

said by mers2 See Profile :

Any idea how to do this now that the company has been sold?
I'd email support@nsclean & ask them what the procedure is.
Tried that and got a message that support@nsclean is rejecting email, which may be a temporary problem. I'm trying other means at the moment to get that information.

Didn't mean to sound negative in the above posts. Kevin and Nancy provided an outstanding product and above and beyond customer support. They earned the trust and respect of their customers. Comodo is relatively new and a lot of their products still have to have the bugs worked out. They haven't yet earned the respect and trust.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079302 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:17:53 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079176 SnowyOne :
said by mers2 See Profile :

Any idea how to do this now that the company has been sold?
I'd email support@nsclean & ask them what the procedure is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079176 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:55:27 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079130 mers2 :
said by SnowyOne See Profile :

said by mers2 See Profile :

I owe someone an apology. I convinced them to buy BoClean about a week ago.
Time to make use of the 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee.
Any idea how to do this now that the company has been sold?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079130 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:45:59 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18079037 dadkins :
said by Jrb2 See Profile :

Completely old and now useless discussion about Netbus.

BOClean does not have that option anymore.
Right! But... I didn't bring it up!
Talk to Mowergun about his post.

Still wondering if BOClean will ever get a full fledged scanner option instead of a single file only.

Doesn't really matter to me though, does it?
I never get hit with anything. :huh:

Ah well, sorry to everyone that has paid for the soon to be freebie BOClean.

As a side note... *I* paid for Opera way back when... now y'all get to download it for free - and it is STILL the best browser available. ;)
Although, Opera still owns Opera.
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Yes it is, well free to me lol, but now anyone else will be able to install it for Free too. And also you as well, err ligit this time !

Spanner
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said by mers2 See Profile :

I owe someone an apology. I convinced them to buy BoClean about a week ago.
Time to make use of the 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078825 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:45:34 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078749 Jrb2 : nm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078749 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:33:20 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078736 MarkAW :
said by ZZZZZZZ See Profile :

So what happens to those that paid for Boclean for life?
That's my main concern as well as,will BOClean go the way Ewido did when Avg bought them, don't get me wrong Ewido was a great program and still is as Avg, all i am saying is that i hope BOClean stays the way it has been over the years and Comodo doesn't force Kevin to change anything or turn it into a suite, BOClean is fine the way it is.
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said by mers2 See Profile :

I'd feel better if either Kevin or Nancy posted in this thread, or if they had at least given a heads up to customers.
Nancy posted at Wilders:
»www.wilderssecurity.com/showthre···t=169978
reply # 35

quote:
Hello everyone,

Thanks so much for your good wishes. It was a long and hard decision for us to make, for us and our customers. I feel that the best possible choice was made.

Support of existing users will continue. There is now an analysis group dedicated to supporting BOClean, so you can continue to expect the same level of update support as you've had in the past. Comodo shares the same commitment as PSC in fighting malware, regardless of consequences. I foresee nothing substationally changing for BOClean users.

Kevin will be able to, with all the resources now available to him at Comodo, to make BOClean everything we always wished we had the time and resources for.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078722 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:28:17 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078711 SnowyOne :
said by ZZZZZZZ See Profile :

So what happens to those that paid for Boclean for life?
I'm sure that 'for life' refers to the life of the company & not the life of the product. It was an unsustainable offer in the first place. It doesn't matter how good a program is, without a regenerating cash source, it's doomed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078711 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:25:38 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078678 bellgamin :
said by Graycode See Profile :

I don't comprehend why Comodo wants to give out BoClean for free though.
It's an interesting question.

I wonder if it won't eventually turn into a pattern that some of us have witnessed too many times before. Namely, a store owned by a *big box* corporation moves into an area that is presently serviced by local (Mom & Pop) stores. The BIG store undersells the local stores. Local stores die. BIG store becomes free to do whatever it bloody wants to do.

For another instance -- just try & find a TV that is still made in whatever nation you live in. Try find tech support that's still in your home country. Is there a pattern here? One can but wonder. :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078678 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:19:49 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078670 mers2 :
said by Ryan See Profile :

SAID BY COMODO CEO Melih »forums.comodo.com/index.php?topic=7549.15

"Well, we will continue with the whole product range. We will make available sizeable amount of resources to Kevin so that he can take all these products to next level. Kevin will be responsible (as he was) for taking these products to next level and we as Comodo will support him fully by enabling much more resources for him.

All we want to do is to continue the great tradition that Kevin & Nancy has successfully carried out and enable Kevin to make his products even better. He just has more resources to achieve it now."

So kevin is also working with comodo now. This might not be as bad as everyone thinks.
If Kevin remains behind the product, I feel a little better. But I really have a bad feeling about this. I've seen this movie too many times in recent years and it never ends well.

I'd feel better if either Kevin or Nancy posted in this thread, or if they had at least given a heads up to customers.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078670 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:18:15 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078655 ross :
said by Mowergun See Profile :

If BOClean becomes free, then I wonder what happens to the immunity from intimidation by bad guys that the makers of BOClean have as a consequence of the NY court ruling. My understanding is that since they have not in the past made available a free evaluation version, they have a right to detect whatever they want on behalf of their subscribers. Like a private club...
THAT is the primary question for me as well. As ludicrous as the need for such protection seems, it is pure buffoonery to throw it away and open yourself to lawsuits from malware writers, or to reducing the effective protections of the program due to threats of legal action from black-hats.

I paid for BOClean, and I'm a more than a little disturbed that it will be given away for free. "FREE" usually results in NO OBLIGATION to maintain and improve the product, and inevitably leads to it becoming either ineffectual, discontinued, or both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078655 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:15:43 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078639 mers2 : I owe someone an apology. I convinced them to buy BoClean about a week ago. If I had known Kevin and Nancy were even thinking about this I would not have encouraged the sale. I understand why they might have done it, but I'm still extremely disappointed by this. And that that Kevin and Nancy never gave even a hint they were thinking of selling.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078639 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:13:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078638 ZZZZZZZ : So what happens to those that paid for Boclean for life?
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said by SpannerITWks See Profile :



As you can several detects right there !

Spanner
Is that a free version you are using Spanner :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078579 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:02:21 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078576 Jrb2 : Completely old and now useless discussion about Netbus.

BOClean does not have that option anymore.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078576 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:01:14 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078571 FiOS Dan :
said by Graycode See Profile :

I don't comprehend why Comodo wants to give out BoClean for free though :huh:
You just watch, there will be a light version called "BOClean Free" and a fee-based, full-featured version called "BOClean Pro" or something like that. As the saying goes, "There's no cross on the top of the Comodo building." They didn't shell out the money to buy BOClean for altruistic reasons. :(
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078571 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:00:55 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078402 dadkins : No, I did not!
Netbus is a critter that is bad, from ANY point of view!
Many scanners DO see it as "bad".

BOClean is not the only app that sees Netbus as "bad".

so far, I have 5 different apps that see Netbus as "bad"... even Outpost's scanner!

Second item that I didn't miss from your post:
Keven stated(whenever) that it wouild erode the precedent about telling Netbus off and still detecting it if a freebie was ever released.
Sorry, but some freebies *DO* detect it!
Pretty sure BOClean will also still detect it when it is released as a freebie.

Pay vs Free means nothing!
It either works, or it does not work.

This is just PROOF that we are all human and we all have the capability of making untrue remarks and violating our own principles.

Kinda sucks, huh?

You know the saying - "Money talks... "

I run my machine by the seat of my pants.
Don't care what anyone says about anything!
*I* thrash s***!
If it works *HERE* on *MY* machines... that's what matters *TO ME*.
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avast has a hissyfit! :D
This is the All New "LEGIT" critter... avast don't like it!
I can't do anything with the file... avast locks and kills it! ;)

Could some of y'all with other AVs see what they do with the new netbus download?
Thanks!

»www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=NetBus

AVs are getting more agressive everyday. Sorry, but if the AV(s) y'all are using is allowing crap to get past to where ya need something like BOClean... turn it up a bit!
Maybe, replace it!
the avast I am using is a freebie!
I have it turned up a little past default.
I don't get s*** on my laptops!

EDIT: AVG/Ewido don't like Netbus either!
asquared doesn't like Netbus...

Any other scanner I should throw at it while I have avast turned off?
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Who? Netbus?
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078276 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:07:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078269 Ryan : SAID BY COMODO CEO Melih »forums.comodo.com/index.php?topic=7549.15

"Well, we will continue with the whole product range. We will make available sizeable amount of resources to Kevin so that he can take all these products to next level. Kevin will be responsible (as he was) for taking these products to next level and we as Comodo will support him fully by enabling much more resources for him.

All we want to do is to continue the great tradition that Kevin & Nancy has successfully carried out and enable Kevin to make his products even better. He just has more resources to achieve it now."

So kevin is also working with comodo now. This might not be as bad as everyone thinks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078269 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:06:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078264 Jimbo40 : This is very sad news indeed.

I will no longer be using the product. I wish Kevin and Nancy all the best and thank than for their support, hard work and dedication in a product they truly believed in. Good luck to both of you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078264 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:05:23 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078234 Ryan :
said by Mowergun See Profile :

said by Kevin :
Strange legal situation for us under New York State law - we got sued a number of years ago over a backdoor turned "commercial" called "Netbus" ... every other vendor caved to their "do not detect us" demand whereas we stood up to them in agreeing to offer removal as an "option" rather than a promise. Our legal basis for the precedent was that we were not legally considered a "common carrier" by nature of our not distributing our software to the "general public" and legally, that constituted the equivalent of a "private club" wherein we were required to satisfy the requirements of our "members" as to what we covered. Long and thin of it was that we are not held to the same legal standards as "publicly available" software. That's always been our ace in the hole over the years, and the reason why when certain "spyware" companies threatened us, we could legally thumb our noses at their requests NOT to detect them on the basis of "our customers can choose to exclude and not detect."

To our lawyers, if we cross that line and "go public" with a freebie, then that precedent could be eroded.


This is what concerns me.

Anyway, I wish Kevin and Nancy the best. You have given me my money's worth many times over. I will choose to remain optimistic about the future. :)
I believe with the way comodo does things you will still have to register with an email and name. By registering you are joining their "club" which is no different then bocleans current status except the price will be $0. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078234 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:01:05 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078173 Mowergun :
said by Kevin :
Strange legal situation for us under New York State law - we got sued a number of years ago over a backdoor turned "commercial" called "Netbus" ... every other vendor caved to their "do not detect us" demand whereas we stood up to them in agreeing to offer removal as an "option" rather than a promise. Our legal basis for the precedent was that we were not legally considered a "common carrier" by nature of our not distributing our software to the "general public" and legally, that constituted the equivalent of a "private club" wherein we were required to satisfy the requirements of our "members" as to what we covered. Long and thin of it was that we are not held to the same legal standards as "publicly available" software. That's always been our ace in the hole over the years, and the reason why when certain "spyware" companies threatened us, we could legally thumb our noses at their requests NOT to detect them on the basis of "our customers can choose to exclude and not detect."

To our lawyers, if we cross that line and "go public" with a freebie, then that precedent could be eroded.


This is what concerns me.

Anyway, I wish Kevin and Nancy the best. You have given me my money's worth many times over. I will choose to remain optimistic about the future. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078173 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:49:47 EDT Re: BOClean has always had a trial http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078150 dadkins :
said by jack b See Profile :

...in a sense, since...forever,
in the form of a no-questions-money-back-guarantee.

I can't recall ever seeing threads, where people had a rant about, or didn't get satisfaction from NSClean.

On another note, I wish nothing but the best for Nancy and Kevin, (and Company) and hope the new owners have the same passion for the program and customer base which they have acquired.
No, you see... I would have had to shell out money/credit in some form without knowing if it would even run on my machine.

Return policy or not... not happening!
I can recall at least one "bad" experience of return from NSClean:
»BOClean not processing my refund!!

YES! It was resolved... but that is a headache I would rather not fight with.
YMMV.

*I* prefer to see the program, install it, test thrash it to make sure that is plays nice with my machine and everything that is here running - THEN I decide whether or not to buy it.

Trials sell products.
No trial, no sale.
No idea if it will play nice, not paying *ANYONE* a penny until I know it will work on my machine.

Seeing as how limited the program is(no scanner other than a single file?)... not that interested.
No trial on top of that shortcoming? I'll pass!

What other security app out there practices this no trial idea?
Ever wonder why?

No offense, but from *MY* point of view, NSClean has been shorting themselves all this time.
LOTS of people want to see the item first!

Oh well, huh?
Now I will get to see if it does anything that *I* deem valuable. For FREE!

Looking at it all from my point of view, I doubt that I will need it.
My weekly scans(with more scanners than most people can imagine) turns up - cookies! BFD, huh?

Something is happening on these laptops of mine that keeps things off of them.
Is it me? Doubt it! LOL!
Is it SpywareBlaster? Could be!
Is it avast? Also, could be!
Is it Outpost? Who knows...
Those three items are All I use(SB doesn't run)... you make the call!

I don't get bad guys on these machines - for whatever reason!
I'm ok with that, ya know?

Don't realistically see BOClean becoming a part of my running apps... but ya never know. ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078022 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:22:20 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077918 Mowergun : I am glad to hear that support for 9x will continue. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077918 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:03:23 EDT BOClean has always had a trial http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077915 jack b : ...in a sense, since...forever,
in the form of a no-questions-money-back-guarantee.

I can't recall ever seeing threads, where people had a rant about, or didn't get satisfaction from NSClean.

On another note, I wish nothing but the best for Nancy and Kevin, (and Company) and hope the new owners have the same passion for the program and customer base which they have acquired.
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A trial (at least) has been needed for... ever!
Freebie now?
Cool! Might install it and see what it does.
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I Can confirm that support for Win 9x will be continue i'm pleased to say !

Kevin will be kept very busy coding the brand new gear.

Some of you might not be aware that Kevin has been working almost non stop every day, evey week, every month for years on it's customers behalf, and mostly on his own. Both he and Nancy havn't had a holiday for years either. So now it's their turn to reap some rewards, and for that much needed long over due and well deserved quality time at last.

I wish Kevin and Nancy and Commodo all the best for the future.

Spanner
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said by tempnexus See Profile :

Aww fck!
Yeap there goes another one.
I predict about 7 months to 1 year of Boclean quality and then bleh...failings due to the pressure of the bigger company and eventual ineffective bloat ware. :(

I am sad very very very sad. :(
I agree with tempnexus See Profilethis is a bad move for BOClean. Now that it is going to be free watch how all these hacked version start showing up on the net. :mad:
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I don't comprehend why Comodo wants to give out BoClean for free though :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077075 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:26:34 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076692 centacre : Oh, no! One of the last hold-outs gets swallowed. We'll see what happens, but I too don't have a good feeling about this. When javacool goes this way, then it's time to pack it up, or maybe get a Mac. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076692 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:04:17 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076651 Ryan :
said by Alwill See Profile :

You were indeed fortunate but what about those guys who recently purchased the program? ---- I wonder has any thought been given to them.

Also it would have been nice if Nancy and Kevin had paid their faithful customers the courtesy of informing them of the decion; I can find no mention of it either on nsclean's website or BOClean's Gladiator forum.
Yes and I do feel very badly. This has happened to me on more then one occasion. Sygate is the first to come to mind. One of the reasons I hate purchasing software seems like whenever I do it gets bought out or turns into bloat and gets completely ruined. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076651 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:56:43 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076560 fphall : I would feel a lot better if Sunbelt had acquired them instead of Comodo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076560 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:37:58 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076484 Bubba17 :
said by danny9 See Profile :

I can't see the high quality of standards held by BOClean being maintained by Comodo.
I agree. It's not going to happen.
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maybe it'll be the exception that breaks the bloatware rule. we shall see, we shall see]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076453 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:12:17 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076373 Alwill :
said by Ryan See Profile :

Was just about to buy this. WOOOO I would have been pissed. :p
You were indeed fortunate but what about those guys who recently purchased the program? ---- I wonder has any thought been given to them.

Also it would have been nice if Nancy and Kevin had paid their faithful customers the courtesy of informing them of the decion; I can find no mention of it either on nsclean's website or BOClean's Gladiator forum.
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I wish I had a good feeling about this. but I'll reserve my final comments until I see how this transfer plays out.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076355 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:46:39 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076336 fphall : Awww Balls! I hope it does not turn into another useless Ad-Aware cookie scanner type thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076336 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:39:46 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076323 Name Game :
said by Mele20 See Profile :

The CEO is ...well, I don't want to get this deleted...stick in something not flattering.

The CEO got himself banned at Wilders Security last year and I saw the whole thing unfold. It is difficult to get banned there..he is in an "elite" club and he deserved it.

So, the fact that he posts in his own forums is not worth 2 cents. Kevin, I guess, has no idea who he has sold to. BoClean is GONE. Forget it...it will die a slow, choking death... but it's gone as of now.

I still wish Kevin and Nancy the best and hope they got a lot of money.
BOClean is still the better biffer ;)

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Nice.

Cheer up, folks.

:)

Nothing is permanent inside Samsara, hence suffering is constant if one is attached to the contents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076269 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:19:02 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076268 Kayrac : sadly i uninstalled boclean because of the vista update issue, i guess we'll see how this pans out]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076268 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:19:01 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076259 Ryan : Mele your killing me here. Just agree with me so i dont have nightmares tonight. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076259 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:15:16 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076234 Mele20 : The CEO is ...well, I don't want to get this deleted...stick in something not flattering.

The CEO got himself banned at Wilders Security last year and I saw the whole thing unfold. It is difficult to get banned there..he is in an "elite" club and he deserved it.

So, the fact that he posts in his own forums is not worth 2 cents. Kevin, I guess, has no idea who he has sold to. BoClean is GONE. Forget it...it will die a slow, choking death... but it's gone as of now.

I still wish Kevin and Nancy the best and hope they got a lot of money.
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076234 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:08:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076191 Ryan : Was just about to buy this. WOOOO I would have been pissed. :p

Although this is very sad. What im scared for is comodo to get rid of boclean line and just use their integrated product. However if they offer both that would be awesome. I suggest everyone who is worried about the merger and your requests go to the comodo forum. The ceo actually participates on the forums and listens to his users, something you dont see very often. I hold comodo group very high for user based security group and as long as people speak their minds comodo most likely wont mess it up. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076191 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:49:50 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076161 FiOS Dan :
said by Moody See Profile :

Everyone seems to be missing the fact that Kevins on board at Comodo now and that can't be a bad thing for several reasons I can think of, but I'm not going to speculate on what changes will come about.
I sure hope you are right, Gary, but nonetheless I'm suspicious. This is a typical part of any acquisition or "merger", namely that the same fine management team will remain on board...blah, blah, blah. It usually doesn't mean a hill of beans, except perhaps that Comodo made it a condition, for appearances sake, that Kevin and/or Nancy stay for a prescribed period. No, I fear that things will never be the same again. :(
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076161 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:37:42 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076124 dvd536 : I guess everyone has their price. 'tis a sad day indeed.
I imagine the level of service we got used to with nsclean will go the way of any decent company that sold out to a corporate entity :mad: :mad: :hmm: :huh:
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said by dannyboy 950 See Profile :

Well I see the post in their forums but I found no Official Press release yet. So I guess it is not public yet.
If you go to »www.nsclean.com/index.html and click on the link to purchase BoClean this is what you get:

"This is a courtesy message for Privacy Software Corporation customers

Comodo has acquired Privacy Software Corporation. All existing Privacy Software Corporation customers will continue to be protected by Privacy Software Corporation products and will receive automatic software updates as usual.

New Comodo and existing Privacy Software Corporation customers will be able to download products formerly licensed to Privacy Software Corporation from »www.comodo.com, »www.privsoft.com and »www.nsclean.com very shortly."

»www.comodo.com/products/privsoft.html

Comodo is oh so slick looking, sexy too...that is really what I need. :(
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076119 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:23:20 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076088 Buddel :
said by tempnexus See Profile :

Aww fck!
I couldn't have said it better. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076088 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:05:07 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076086 dannyboy 950 : Well I see the post in their forums but I found no Official Press release yet. So I guess it is not public yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076086 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:04:28 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076068 Moody :
said by Cudni See Profile :

I can't help thinking these are good news for both the companies involved and all their present and future customers.

Cudni
I have to agree with you and think Nancy and Kevin put a lot of thought into this before selling their baby! Like others have said, only time will tell.

Everyone seems to be missing the fact that Kevins on board at Comodo now and that can't be a bad thing for several reasons I can think of, but I'm not going to speculate on what changes will come about.

I'm sure sooner or later Nancy will drop by and give us a little insight into the whats and whys, but I'm sure she couldn't do it until the official announcement was made at Comodo.

Gary
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I hate to see a product shift from free to paid, or paid to free, as the consequences are not usually desirable.

All the best to Kevin and Nancy. Hope the reward is as strong, as the product and support have been over the many years we've used it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076049 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:52:44 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076008 doormans : This is very sad to hear for me. Over the years I have changed AV,AT, and firewalls but Boclean has remained the one consistent thing that always went on my computers. I fear that all the updates and quick responses to threats will soon die out also. I cant wait for the popup when updating that says I need to upgrade to version 4.23 with its sparkling new gui. Good luck to Kev and Nancy and we'll see where Boclean is in 3 to 6 months.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076008 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:26:01 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075928 danny9 :
said by Cudni See Profile :

I can't help thinking these are good news for both the companies involved and all their present and future customers.

Cudni
Cudni, I hope you are right but I can't share your enthusiasm at this point.
I can't see the high quality of standards held by BOClean being maintained by Comodo.
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Time will tell if this was a wise move.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075914 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:02:40 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075894 Cudni : I can't help thinking these are good news for both the companies involved and all their present and future customers.

Cudni]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075894 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:48:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075864 bellgamin : At least they didn't sell out to Microsoft. Microsoft bought RAV & converted it to M$-mediocrity. I'm sure they would have done the same to BOC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075864 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:25:54 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075857 Mowergun : I think so. Oh by the way, I guess I should have said "a union between Eset and Privacy Software Corporation" (makers of BOClean). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075857 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:21:47 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075847 Mele20 :
said by Mowergun See Profile :

If it was destined to happen, I would have prefered a union between Eset and NSclean.
Yeah, wouldn't that have been a fine union!
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075847 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:14:49 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075836 Mowergun :
said by tempnexus See Profile :

Aww fck!
Yeap there goes another one.
I predict about 7 months to 1 year of Boclean quality and then bleh...failings due to the pressure of the bigger company and eventual ineffective bloat ware. :(

I am sad very very very sad. :(
It could be worse, at least they didn't sell out to Symantec.

If it was destined to happen, I would have prefered a union between Eset and NSclean.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075836 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:08:43 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075822 anon : Seeing how Comodo has so many problems with their Firewall. Sighs. I hope BOClean does not become like that!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075822 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:58:03 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075807 tempnexus : Now I am just dreading the day when my boclean tells me "No New updates" :( and I am forced to take whatever cumado is offering...which I don't give 2 cents about.
There is no longer the trust of knowing that Kevin and Nancy is out there hunting down no matter what and including it. Now how certain am I that all of sudden Cumodo decides to look another way due to pressure or fear of legal action?

My iron clad 2ndary backup defense has now gone down :(.

What other good backups are there? That are as light on resources as Bo? I mean Bo was soo effective and soo light on resources I never knew it was there! Bo was the first thing I installed when I reformatted my system...it was installed prior to my AV! :)
And now in my mind Bo is gone. :( 1 year and 8 months after another beloved anti-malware TDS-3 closed it's doors.

Well another win for the bad guys. :(
Now if only KAV, and NOD32 can follow suit then we can really start renaming the next gen Internet experience to Botweb 3.0.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075807 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:49:06 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075803 Mele20 :
said by Mowergun See Profile :

If BOClean becomes free, then I wonder what happens to the immunity from intimidation by bad guys that the makers of BOClean have as a consequence of the NY court ruling. My understanding is that since they have not in the past made available a free evaluation version, they have a right to detect whatever they want on behalf of their subscribers. Like a private club.
That's an excellent point! And another reason I feel bad about this.
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075803 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:44:41 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075799 Mele20 :
said by tempnexus See Profile :

Aww fck!
Yeap there goes another one.
I predict about 7 months to 1 year of Boclean quality and then bleh...failings due to the pressure of the bigger company and eventual ineffective bloat ware. :(

I am sad very very very sad. :(
Me too. I do hope the McAleaveys got a great price. But I have a very bad feeling about this. I don't like Comodo at all and I think this is a sad day for us users....but I wish Kevin and Nancy the best and we do what we have to do ...all of us.
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»www.msfirefox.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075799 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:42:16 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075798 Mowergun : If BOClean becomes free, then I wonder what happens to the immunity from intimidation by bad guys that the makers of BOClean have as a consequence of the NY court ruling. My understanding is that since they have not in the past made available a free evaluation version, they have a right to detect whatever they want on behalf of their subscribers. Like a private club.

I was afraid this would happen some day. I can't blame Kevin and Nancy, they no doubt could use a rest, but I fear for the future of BOClean.

Will support for Win 9x be continued? Will the program remain light on resources? Will they stay ahead of the curve of bad stuff like they have in the past?

I have my fingers crossed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075798 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:41:34 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075796 danny9 :
said by tempnexus See Profile :

Aww fck!
Yeap there goes another one.
I predict about 7 months to 1 year of Boclean quality and then bleh...failings due to the pressure of the bigger company and eventual ineffective bloat ware. :(

I am sad very very very sad. :(
Me too! It does seem of late that good products seem to go downhill after being bought out.
Hopefully this won't happen with BOClean but only time will tell.
The level of trust I did have in this product, after all these years, has just gone down considerably.
At least Kevin and Nancy will get a much deserved rest.
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said by rotty97 See Profile :

FROM:
»forums.comodo.com/index.php?topi···opicseen

Today Comodo Acquired BOClean (www.nsclean.com) . One of the oldest and most respected Anti Trojan companies around.

BOClean has a very effective engine and more importantly top notch expertise and people in the field. We are happy to announce that Kevin will be joining forces with Comodo and work with us to create world's best Anti malware/virus/trojan/spyware/rootkit product around for FREE!

Comodo is totally committed to create a world leading Anti-Malware product for FREE! We have now assembled a world class team of people who will take us to next level. So expect some good stuff from us.

thanks
Melih

PS: We will now make BOClean a free product and continue to deliver top notch support.
This horrible. Er, when will I be able to download my free copy? ;)


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Yeap there goes another one.
I predict about 7 months to 1 year of Boclean quality and then bleh...failings due to the pressure of the bigger company and eventual ineffective bloat ware. :(

I am sad very very very sad. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075764 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:22:33 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075718 greenhatch : Another independent bites the dust! However as it's Comodo doing the taking over, whose firewall has such a good reputation, I'm hoping the efficiency of the Boclean program won't be compromised. Good luck to the McAleaveys: I hope they got a great price. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075718 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:43:31 EDT Re: Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075709 j2 : lol nice! Comodo really need's to improve it's antivirus rates and the performance!Comodo's antivirus had missed a worm on my machine! but now that they had acquired BoClean they will improve it's antivirus signatures for sure! and yet it will be free for everybody :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075709 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:38:18 EDT Comodo acquires BOClean http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075683 rotty97 : FROM:
»forums.comodo.com/index.php?topi···opicseen

Today Comodo Acquired BOClean (www.nsclean.com) . One of the oldest and most respected Anti Trojan companies around.

BOClean has a very effective engine and more importantly top notch expertise and people in the field. We are happy to announce that Kevin will be joining forces with Comodo and work with us to create world's best Anti malware/virus/trojan/spyware/rootkit product around for FREE!

Comodo is totally committed to create a world leading Anti-Malware product for FREE! We have now assembled a world class team of people who will take us to next level. So expect some good stuff from us.

thanks
Melih

PS: We will now make BOClean a free product and continue to deliver top notch support.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075683 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:25:18 EDT