Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
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join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY | Glad I bought
Ok, so this $300+ one I have now is worthless? |
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Desdinova
join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD | I wouldn't think so. It still works doesn't it? It might not have all the features of the Elite but that shouldn't mean you can't continue to enjoy it. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | reply to Jafo232
Was it worthless when you bought it? You obviously didn't want those things when you bought it then, or at least perceived the value in not having them so nothing has changed. So if it wasn't worthless then, why would it be now? |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Not at all! You have to understand the flock of friends I have that were waiting for either a price drop or to buy mine! So really, I'll only pay difference of $180 for new one. Ofcourse, my friends will get the better deal (headset, 2nd controller, saved games, extended 2 years warranty..).
Now, to find one that ISN'T an ebay grab... |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
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IMO, the are all POS. Show of hands.. who thinks the failure rates will be better then the previous model. They may have a more robust gaming system but they can't touch Nintendo's reliability. I have every Nintendo unit every built with exception to the 8bit system. I've even had the PS1 and 2. Sega Saturn. Never had a failure or never burned down my house. Son is on his 2nd xbox. He has some gaming buddies who are on their 3rd unit in less then 2 years.
Now, lets slap a bigger hard drive on it (cripple it so it can use external drives from it's usb ports) add a new color and charge a couple hundred dollars more.. give me a break. Having HDMI isn't that much better if at all then what's there now.. Here is a outstanding article on the subject..
So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component? The answer--unsatisfying, perhaps, but true--is that it depends. It depends upon your source and display devices, and there's no good way, in principle, to say in advance whether the digital or the analog connection will render a better picture. You may even find, say, that your DVD player looks better through its DVI or HDMI output, while your satellite or cable box looks better through its component output, on the same display. In this case, there's no real substitute for simply plugging it in and giving it a try both ways.
»forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages···868.html |
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maartena
Stacked.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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said by Jafo232  :Ok, so this $300+ one I have now is worthless? Nah. But just with every other piece of equipment you have bought and will ever buy, it will be replaced with something better/faster/smaller/bigger/ etc within about a years time.
The lifecycle of electronics is very short.
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RR Conductor
RailRoadDude
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA | reply to Jafo232
No, but your posting tag is. |
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joako
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join:2000-09-07
/dev/null
·AT&T U-Verse
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said by tc1uscg :So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component? DVI vs HDMI vs Component.
First lets remove DVI, because HDMI is exactly the same signal specification as DVI + SPDIF Audio in one nice fancy cable.
Now we have HDMI vs Component. Let's see.
Component is analog
Component cant transmit 5.1 Audio
Component cant do 1080i
Just because your Verizon FIOS is slow doesnt mean that fiber optics aren't better than analog DSL lines. Just because you have a device with bad A-D circuit doesnt mean the entire DVI specification is crap.
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
| Component can do 1080i. In fact it's how many Xbox owners have their hooked up.
Component can't handle ICT which is a big problem if ever content makers decide to enable it.
HDMI is better if only that new receivers allow for simple switching which makes it so much easier to connect devices. Optical SPDIF can't handle uncompressed 5.1 LPCM which is a negative for audiophiles while HDMI 1.3 can.
Right now it all depends on what equipment you have. Eventually it'll be HDMI as everything is moving to support it. |
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joako
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join:2000-09-07
/dev/null | reply to Jafo232
Sorry I meant to say 1080p |
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laz45
join:2002-08-01
Orlando, FL
clubs: | Component "can" do 1080p |
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Tarheel72
join:2005-12-18
Plano, TX
| Component can transmit a 1080p signal. But if you use the add on HD-DVD drive with the xBox 360, you can only view a HD-DVD movie in 1080p via a VGA digital connection, not an analog component connection. The HDMI feature should eliminate that, giving you another option. So technically I think the reference here was to the ability of the component connection on the 360 to deliver a 1080p signal from the HD-DVD when viewing an encrypted movie. Games don't matter, a 1080p game will transfer just fine over component.
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Notorious
join:2001-03-30
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | reply to Jafo232
I just bought a premium about a month ago. While it would be nice to have HDMI and a larger HDD, I only use it for gaming and the component cables work fine. Now I just hope I never get a red ring of death.... |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
1 edit | reply to joako
You are incorrect. HDMI does 12bit DVI does only 10bit.
And component can and does do 1080i and it can do 1080p if the device allows it, which most don't. |
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astiyosti
join:2005-11-10
Asheville, NC | reply to Jafo232
i know if they want me to keep buying games they better give me a good trade in value or its playstation 3 for me. |
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Doh Nut
@execulink.com
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For playing games, no, the Elite isn't that much of an upgrade. It doesn't affect what games you can play.
If you mean in terms of resale value? Don't count on auctioning it on Ebay for thousands over sticker. Of course, it's been a long while since you could do that anyways. |
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Wolfie00
My dog is an elitist
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join:2005-03-12
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said by Tarheel72 :Component can transmit a 1080p signal. But if you use the add on HD-DVD drive with the xBox 360, you can only view a HD-DVD movie in 1080p via a VGA digital connection, not an analog component connection. The HDMI feature should eliminate that, giving you another option. So technically I think the reference here was to the ability of the component connection on the 360 to deliver a 1080p signal from the HD-DVD when viewing an encrypted movie. Games don't matter, a 1080p game will transfer just fine over component. VGA is analog, not digital. And it doesn't support HDCP, so any HD-DVD movie that had the ICT flag enabled (there aren't any yet and probably won't be for some time) would be downsampled to SD quality over anything other than HDMI. In the meantime component on the Xbox360 can do anything that HDMI can do. Absent the ICT issue, HDMI just provides more convenient connectivity. It's theoretically superior to component but I doubt anyone could see any difference. |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by bogey780 :HDMI is better if only that new receivers allow for simple switching which makes it so much easier to connect devices. The problem currently is that most receivers are just simple switches for HDMI. If you want a receiver that can actually extract the audio instead of having to get it via a separate feed, you are usually going to pay 2-3x the cost (presuming typical residential-grade equipment...higher end systems excluded).
If they could design an affordable receiver that would upconvert any input source into HDMI so that I have ONE input to send to my TV, I would be in heaven. As it stands now you have a HDMI for the DVD player, component for the gaming system, s-video for the satellite, composite for the VCR, coax for the OTA HD, etc. Too many connections.
Optical SPDIF can't handle uncompressed 5.1 LPCM which is a negative for audiophiles while HDMI 1.3 can. Not that I don't beleive you, but do you have a source for this? I can think of a technical reason why optical couldn't support it, other then content providers wanting to try to lock down and cripple the technology (e.g. HDCP)
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
| Try the Onkyo TX-SR804. Cost around 650$ and does all that. I just plugged mine in yesterday and it works fine for going from component to HDMI and pulling the audio from the HDMI link.
The optical SPDIF issue is just one of standards. They support Dolby and DTS just fine but it can only send the signal compressed to the receiver for decoding. HDMI 1.3 allows for 7.1 uncompresed PCM.
I don't have a link to confirm this but I've been told this by many audiophiles as to why I can't get 5.1 PCM across my toslink. |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by bogey780 :The optical SPDIF issue is just one of standards. They support Dolby and DTS just fine but it can only send the signal compressed to the receiver for decoding. HDMI 1.3 allows for 7.1 uncompresed PCM. I don't have a link to confirm this but I've been told this by many audiophiles as to why I can't get 5.1 PCM across my toslink. I wonder if it's kind of like trying to get a 10mbit NIC to work at gigabit speeds. It's not that the fiber itself can't handle it, rather the receiver (or transmitter) is using a outdated technology that doesn't work fast enough.
Interesting none the less. Did not know that if that is indeed the case.
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