Topic 'Re: Glad I bought' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18076506 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:11:24 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:11:24 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18091929 --
Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18091929 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:23:05 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18088328 said by joako:

said by tc1uscg:

So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component?
DVI vs HDMI vs Component.

First lets remove DVI, because HDMI is exactly the same signal specification as DVI + SPDIF Audio in one nice fancy cable.

Now we have HDMI vs Component. Let's see.

Component is analog
Component cant transmit 5.1 Audio
Component cant do 1080i

Just because your Verizon FIOS is slow doesnt mean that fiber optics aren't better than analog DSL lines. Just because you have a device with bad A-D circuit doesnt mean the entire DVI specification is crap.
nor does it make it any better. That's the point. Too many ands, if's or but's to run out and scrap all that hardware purchased over the past 2 years just because some POS gaming system is going to include it. The 360 w/Component provides just a good picture at 720P, 1080i/p as it would if it was pumping the sig over a hdmi cable. Sound? That's what the fiber cable hook up is on the back of the component cable is for. I don't any issue blasting the family room with surround sound while playing games. :) :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18088328 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:09:37 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18084913 said by bogey780:

The optical SPDIF issue is just one of standards. They support Dolby and DTS just fine but it can only send the signal compressed to the receiver for decoding. HDMI 1.3 allows for 7.1 uncompresed PCM.

I don't have a link to confirm this but I've been told this by many audiophiles as to why I can't get 5.1 PCM across my toslink.I wonder if it's kind of like trying to get a 10mbit NIC to work at gigabit speeds. It's not that the fiber itself can't handle it, rather the receiver (or transmitter) is using a outdated technology that doesn't work fast enough.

Interesting none the less. Did not know that if that is indeed the case.
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The optical SPDIF issue is just one of standards. They support Dolby and DTS just fine but it can only send the signal compressed to the receiver for decoding. HDMI 1.3 allows for 7.1 uncompresed PCM.

I don't have a link to confirm this but I've been told this by many audiophiles as to why I can't get 5.1 PCM across my toslink.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18084289 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:59:50 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18082251 said by bogey780:

HDMI is better if only that new receivers allow for simple switching which makes it so much easier to connect devices.The problem currently is that most receivers are just simple switches for HDMI. If you want a receiver that can actually extract the audio instead of having to get it via a separate feed, you are usually going to pay 2-3x the cost (presuming typical residential-grade equipment...higher end systems excluded).

If they could design an affordable receiver that would upconvert any input source into HDMI so that I have ONE input to send to my TV, I would be in heaven. As it stands now you have a HDMI for the DVD player, component for the gaming system, s-video for the satellite, composite for the VCR, coax for the OTA HD, etc. Too many connections.

Optical SPDIF can't handle uncompressed 5.1 LPCM which is a negative for audiophiles while HDMI 1.3 can.
Not that I don't beleive you, but do you have a source for this? I can think of a technical reason why optical couldn't support it, other then content providers wanting to try to lock down and cripple the technology (e.g. HDCP)
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Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18082251 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:23:53 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18081652 said by Tarheel72:

Component can transmit a 1080p signal. But if you use the add on HD-DVD drive with the xBox 360, you can only view a HD-DVD movie in 1080p via a VGA digital connection, not an analog component connection. The HDMI feature should eliminate that, giving you another option. So technically I think the reference here was to the ability of the component connection on the 360 to deliver a 1080p signal from the HD-DVD when viewing an encrypted movie. Games don't matter, a 1080p game will transfer just fine over component.
VGA is analog, not digital. And it doesn't support HDCP, so any HD-DVD movie that had the ICT flag enabled (there aren't any yet and probably won't be for some time) would be downsampled to SD quality over anything other than HDMI. In the meantime component on the Xbox360 can do anything that HDMI can do. Absent the ICT issue, HDMI just provides more convenient connectivity. It's theoretically superior to component but I doubt anyone could see any difference.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18081652 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:19:47 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18081398
If you mean in terms of resale value? Don't count on auctioning it on Ebay for thousands over sticker. Of course, it's been a long while since you could do that anyways.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18081398 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:38:58 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18079393 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18079393 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:33:41 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18079026
And component can and does do 1080i and it can do 1080p if the device allows it, which most don't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18079026 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:25:52 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18078696 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18078696 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:23:04 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18078096 --
Go Heels!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18078096 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:37:00 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077758 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077758 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:37:36 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077724 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077724 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:30:59 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077667
Component can't handle ICT which is a big problem if ever content makers decide to enable it.

HDMI is better if only that new receivers allow for simple switching which makes it so much easier to connect devices. Optical SPDIF can't handle uncompressed 5.1 LPCM which is a negative for audiophiles while HDMI 1.3 can.

Right now it all depends on what equipment you have. Eventually it'll be HDMI as everything is moving to support it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077667 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:17:52 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077575 said by tc1uscg:

So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component? DVI vs HDMI vs Component.

First lets remove DVI, because HDMI is exactly the same signal specification as DVI + SPDIF Audio in one nice fancy cable.

Now we have HDMI vs Component. Let's see.

Component is analog
Component cant transmit 5.1 Audio
Component cant do 1080i

Just because your Verizon FIOS is slow doesnt mean that fiber optics aren't better than analog DSL lines. Just because you have a device with bad A-D circuit doesnt mean the entire DVI specification is crap.
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Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, und programmier' die Zukunft mir]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077575 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:03:06 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077376 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077376 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:24:07 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077100 said by Jafo232:

Ok, so this $300+ one I have now is worthless?Nah. But just with every other piece of equipment you have bought and will ever buy, it will be replaced with something better/faster/smaller/bigger/ etc within about a years time.

The lifecycle of electronics is very short.
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Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18077100 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:30:13 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18076958 Now, lets slap a bigger hard drive on it (cripple it so it can use external drives from it's usb ports) add a new color and charge a couple hundred dollars more.. give me a break. Having HDMI isn't that much better if at all then what's there now.. Here is a outstanding article on the subject..

So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component? The answer--unsatisfying, perhaps, but true--is that it depends. It depends upon your source and display devices, and there's no good way, in principle, to say in advance whether the digital or the analog connection will render a better picture. You may even find, say, that your DVD player looks better through its DVI or HDMI output, while your satellite or cable box looks better through its component output, on the same display. In this case, there's no real substitute for simply plugging it in and giving it a try both ways.

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Now, to find one that ISN'T an ebay grab...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18076701 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:06:13 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18076646 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18076646 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:56:25 EDT Re: Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18076526 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Glad-I-bought-18076526 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:30:54 EDT Glad I bought http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Glad-I-bought-18076506 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Glad-I-bought-18076506 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:27:03 EDT