kt1g
join:2006-07-30
East Hartford, CT | reply to RideRed
Re: Why can't they bury them?
Take VZ's example and do FTTH.
and give us the same package/price |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to RideRed
downside to FiOS is that it isnt stock holder friendly, probally why ATT is going the VRAD route as it is more stockholder friendly.
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degauss1
join:2001-07-02
Hillsboro, OR
 ·ViaTalk
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
·Axvoice
| reply to ArgMeMatey
Re: Why can they bury them?
You hit it right on the head. They had a choice of what technology the deployed. If they had chosen FTTP it would have cost more money - but they would not have had to use these big RT cabinets. The VDSL was cheaper to deploy but requires these huge cabinets.
All that and they are going to have to eventually move to fiber anyway. What a huge waste of money and time not to mention the aggravation to the public. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to Ahrenl
Re: Why can't they bury them?
That was my thought. I was thinking not hydraulic but work-gear jack. The maintenance worker could connect a truck-powered portable electric motor to the jack socket. Hook it up, flip the switch and watch it rise out of the ground.
Ventilation and drainage might be a challenge but I'd rather have a ground-level grate in my front yard than a puke green monolith. |
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Clemcon
@ameritech.net | reply to dynodb
Re: Why can they bury them?
ATT in Michigan has several first generation RTs that are underground with very good access from ground level. 2nd generation units are all above ground in brick buildings/huts while the newest units are housed in above ground cabinets. |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| reply to ArgMeMatey
said by ArgMeMatey  :
In order to do this, you'd need a very large hole... and then there'd be complaints about the 10 x 10 x 10 foot hole being dug in someone's yard.
Like he said, cost. Many people would give them a long term lease on a 10'x10' patch with an access hatch and landscaping, for a price! Not easy, not convenient, but if it didn't cost so much why wouldn't they avoid the aggravation?
ATTENTION VZ:
I will give you all the space you want to put in any kind of equipment in my yard you want.
No lease, no strings, just BRING THE FIOS ON!
So long as I get Fios DATA I don't care. Less I have to mow.
Oh... no need to worry there won't be any landscaping around it either unless VZ is doing it an plans on keeping it up. Droughts smoughts.... grass dies, it will grow a again.
Need space for a self supproting tower...NO PROBLEM. Now there will be some strings attached to that one. I need 5-6 spaces at about 50-60 ft. for some antennas and we have a deal.
Just cut the whiners off! |
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to dynodb
said by dynodb :RT's need to be accessed on a pretty regular basis- exactly how would you accomplish this with it buried underground? ... In order to do this, you'd need a very large hole... and then there'd be complaints about the 10 x 10 x 10 foot hole being dug in someone's yard. Like he said, cost. Many people would give them a long term lease on a 10'x10' patch with an access hatch and landscaping, for a price! Not easy, not convenient, but if it didn't cost so much why wouldn't they avoid the aggravation?
Electric utilities can put entire substations underground if so ordered, but they usually can charge ratepayers instead of having to worry about being profitable.
AT&T also could have run fiber direct to homes, but they decided to try this instead because it's cheaper.
When people say "It's just not practical" they often mean "That would cost too much."
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to moonpuppy
FIOS, IPTV and cable broadband are completely different technologies with different infrastructure- you can't compare them.
Yes, it would be possible to put RT's underground, and yes it would be more expensive... but more importantly it's not terribly practical, especially considering the drawbacks (access to the RT, flooding, snow, etc) and that the only benefit is aesthetics.
Seriously, I doubt it even would occur to the telcos to put them underground. The company I work for has over 10,000 RTs and I've not once even heard the possibility of them being installed underground even mentioned, much less considered. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to dynodb
said by dynodb :It's not "plain and simple" cost; you people sure have a way of beating a dead strawman. RT's need to be accessed on a pretty regular basis- exactly how would you accomplish this with it buried underground? Keep in mind you'd need access all sides of the cabinet with room to work, while also keeping it protected from the elements and accessable even when there's a foot of snow on the ground, and providing for airflow for the fans in the Summer. In order to do this, you'd need a very large hole... and then there'd be complaints about the 10 x 10 x 10 foot hole being dug in someone's yard. So tell me then how can Verizon do FIOS without those boxes? I have it in my neighborhood and nothing that big is in my area and the cable junctions are smaller than the in-ground feed points for electrical service.
Thank you for proving my point. It would cost more to submerge the RT than do do it above ground.
ATT is trying to get off doing this the easy way. They either need more thought or a better plan. Until the higher ups have one of these on their property, then they need to be more attentive to the citizens they deploy to.  |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to wstwrdho
Re: Why can't they bury them?
LOL...thats great "wstwrdho"....SO TRUE! |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to RideRed
COST |
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JazzJRabbit
join:2003-09-27
Wheaton, IL | reply to Ahrenl
Good solution but still more expensive than just putting one in the neighborhood and there are other potential problems. I'm not an expert in any way, but I would imagine there would be heat and humidity issues if you place it underground. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to idjk
What about a box that could hydraulically lift itself out of the ground for access? That MUST be cheaper than building a giant underground bunker. |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to moonpuppy
Re: Why can they bury them?
said by moonpuppy :said by RideRed :Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? Cost. Plain and simple. It's not "plain and simple" cost; you people sure have a way of beating a dead strawman.
RT's need to be accessed on a pretty regular basis- exactly how would you accomplish this with it buried underground? Keep in mind you'd need access all sides of the cabinet with room to work, while also keeping it protected from the elements and accessable even when there's a foot of snow on the ground, and providing for airflow for the fans in the Summer.
In order to do this, you'd need a very large hole... and then there'd be complaints about the 10 x 10 x 10 foot hole being dug in someone's yard. |
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idjk
@sprintlink.net
| reply to morbo
Re: Why can't they bury them?
If they put them it what is called 'CEV' controlled environment vault (kinda of like a old bomb shelter or a 8x8x12 room about 12-15 feet down).
There is still a fair sized box up top about 4x6x 2 feet high that has the locked door access to ladder and the a/c unit and blower for 'controlled environment'- can't be to hot or damp.
But because of the expense these are usually only put at industrial parks or entrance to very large neighborhoods, they usually have fiber meet points for mux's and still have above ground cross boxes around the area that are not much smaller that these boxes. |
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jsinaiko
Premium
join:2001-04-25
Chicago, IL
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Like the cable vaults on my block that the Comcrap guys go into all the time.
Right.
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wstwrdho
join:2007-03-15
Riverton, UT
| reply to RideRed
Don't want to bury them in any area with a real winter.
It goes like ....... customer outage Feb 1st.
Tech is dispatched.
Opens lid.
solid Ice.
Here comes the repair army. Dump trucks, backhoes, service trucks everywhere. Total mayhem, destruction of property.
Article on broadbandreports.com saying why didn't the idiots put them above ground. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to RideRed
said by RideRed :Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? How about it because it would make them unserviceable unless the cabinet was mounted on a hydraulic lift.
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs:
·Charter Pipeline
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to RideRed
said by RideRed :they can same themselves from political grief if they were a bit more sensitive not to the city, but to local residents. that's just it though. THEY DON'T CARE. giving into this city equals even more cities that will put up similar fights, and so on. the process of suing the cities that try to stop them is so much cheaper to do than to bury all the boxes. it's a business decision by the deathstar...which is almost completely operational. |
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RideRed
Vista needs a popup blocker for Vista
Premium
join:2005-06-18
USA
1 edit | reply to gpidock
Even if they don't bury them everywhere, they can same themselves from political grief if they were a bit more sensitive not to the city, but to local residents. Bury it where it may impact the value of people's homes, but don't when they're located on city thoroughfares or commercial properites where the looks don't have quite the stunning impact.
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