Re: If you can't live with it depart with it in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18127368 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:35:38 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:35:38 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18135817 LilYoda : Depends how you "work" from home. Company I worked for kicked all the workers out of the office to save on office leasing costs.

One day, they said "now you're teleworking. No we don't pay for your internet access at home. Since you're saving on your gas mileage, fork up the internet connection cost. No we don't care that working on a customer grade connection is violating a TOS."

And I know of at least 1 other company that did the same thing. And I'm not talking 10 user employees. Our office had over 500 people, and we had over 100000 employees worldwide.

In my case, I had the choice to work on a basic $40 cable, or cough up an additional $150 a month to get a business grade cable or DSL connection. Hard to swallow if you ask me.
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"the two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity." (Harlan Ellison)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18135817 Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:45:34 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18129588 xsiddalx : Not intending to be snitty, but if you are dependent upon broadband for your business, those costs better be in your business model or you are in trouble. If you are depending upon consumer grade connections for something that puts bread on the table, perhaps you should be a fan of any internet access provider.

As a business person, you do realize there is a plethora of choices for connectivity that existed long before the consumer "broadband internet experience", right?

In either case, it still appears that you can work without a connection to the internet. So many possibilities of doing something and transmitting the data from point a to point b without the internet come to mind.

In principle I agree with you.

said by gefflong See Profile :

Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to say "no."

I, for one, use my connection for work. If I disconnect, I don't work. I don't work, I don't make money. I don't make money, I have no place to live. I think you get the idea.

If an internet connection is nothing but a luxury, I would agree... having none is an option. However, for those of us who work and make money with our connection, we don't have a choice if there's only one company.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18129588 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:11:17 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18128249 DaSneaky1D : And you are exactly the type of person I was thinking of.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18128249 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:59:14 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18128203 mrbueno : You guys have missed my point and here in lies the problem with the modern consumer mentality and businesses desire to market to it. Bit Torrent is a dedicated server, kazaa, limewire, bearshare, these are server apps. The current system they have was never meant for this.

They should do the smart thing and create a new system to accomodate these new consumer desires and charge accordingly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18128203 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:49:48 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18128061 JamesPC : YEP. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18128061 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:13:05 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127897 gefflong : Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to say "no."

I, for one, use my connection for work. If I disconnect, I don't work. I don't work, I don't make money. I don't make money, I have no place to live. I think you get the idea.

If an internet connection is nothing but a luxury, I would agree... having none is an option. However, for those of us who work and make money with our connection, we don't have a choice if there's only one company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127897 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:40:38 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127760 twizlar : Deffinately.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127760 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:17:40 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127699 ke4pym :
said by DaSneaky1D See Profile :

You don't even have the room to say "nothing at all" is a choice. There are people out there that have uses/obligations that can't be satisfied with "nothing at all" as an option. If this ISP is all that they have to work with, and they use their market stance to offer shoddy service, then people are at a disadvantage and don't really have any other option, do they?
Sure I do. Nothing at all is a choice for me as well. However, I'm realtivly content with my service providers, so I continue to pay for my choices. If I weren't and I felt that dialup or changing my lifestyle as to not rely or have use for the internet meant doing away with it, then that is a choice (one I'm willing to make, if it came to it).

People, anymore, refuse to go to the extreme of voting with their wallets by not having any service at all. And, as I said before, the companies know this. So that gives them all the room in the world they need to screw you in the current climate in the US.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127699 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:05:55 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127368 Karl Bode : There's also a difference between throttling some to manage capacity, and throttling in order to avoid spending money on necessary upgrades in the face of video demand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127368 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:02:52 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127322 DaSneaky1D :
said by ke4pym See Profile :

said by deadi See Profile :

Thats really a bold statement considering there is no real choice in most places.
There is -always- a choice. You can choose to have what you've got, or nothing at all. Nothing is always an option. But one most people won't take and the companies of the world know this.
Dude, you have reviews for two different ISP's and two different VOIP providers.

You don't even have the room to say "nothing at all" is a choice. There are people out there that have uses/obligations that can't be satisfied with "nothing at all" as an option. If this ISP is all that they have to work with, and they use their market stance to offer shoddy service, then people are at a disadvantage and don't really have any other option, do they?
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Users at some point have to realize that prices are low and margins are lower. Many of us don't want to play the transfer cap game, so throttling high demand users is a solution.

When business has bent over backwards for the last 12 years to drop the price of consumer bandwidth it has cost us in the realm of profit margins. Many broadband ISPs are taking a $200 to $400 loss on the front end hoping to see profit in 12 to 24 months.

DS-3's are not $19.95 per month. Sorry. Low prices are due to the high over-subscription rates we have been able to maintain as users went from occasional web surfing on dial-up to occasional video watching on broadband. Now the trends have changed to many people running dedicated servers (bittorrent or otherwise). This low price Internet ideal that people are holding on to is almost impossible to maintain when I go from a 20:1 subscription rate down to 5:1. Essentially the overhead in this case has increased nearly four times. Those aren't hard numbers, but you get the idea.

You are not paying for a dedicated and unlimited connection. If you are being told otherwise, then they should change their marketing.

We have a policy of letting people know exactly what is and is not allowed on our network. If they don't like that, they can go deal with someone who will lie to them. It won't be me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18127163 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:27:30 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18126906 ke4pym :
said by deadi See Profile :

Thats really a bold statement considering there is no real choice in most places.
There is -always- a choice. You can choose to have what you've got, or nothing at all. Nothing is always an option. But one most people won't take and the companies of the world know this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18126906 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:40:35 EDT Re: If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18126857 deadi : Thats really a bold statement considering there is no real choice in most places.
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Whats funny is all of the smaller ISPs do no such throttling. You would think these huge corporations would have pleanty of money for upgrades and bandwidth.
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Ipods SUCK]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18126793 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:18:32 EDT If you can't live with it depart with it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18126778 brianiscool : If you complain so much about the service jump ship!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18126778 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:15:57 EDT