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Mchart
Super Joe

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Gurnee, IL

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Funny

I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.

When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency?


EnasYorl
Thieves World

join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL


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said by Mchart See Profile :

I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.

When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency?
Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency.

Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts.

»www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details

GR_Thor

join:2007-03-12
Saint Louis, MO

reply to Mchart
The first gateway cities are Seattle, LA, Chicago, St Louis, Dallas, Atlanta, and NY. However at this time, only the StL gateway is up.

McHart, it's great that you found some servers to play on that ping well for you. If those are the only servers you use, GameRail probably isn't for you.

For me however, living in a place that does not have a direct internet drain (all of my traffic goes to Dallas or Chicago first, 98% of the time) I ping about 60ms to servers that are less than a mile away from me. Fire up GameRail, and it drops to 10-12ms. To the coasts, I regularly see improvements of ~40ms. This is all on my standard home connection, with no optimizations, or funny business. We can't, and never have, said that GameRail will work for everybody. The internet is a goofy place, and there will always be situations we unfortunately can't help with. That being said, there are lots of cases where we can.

But I guess the only way some people will accept that not everyone on the net is trying to pull one over on them is to try it, which you will be able to. If you don't like it, don't subscribe, but we think a lot of people will.


Mchart
Super Joe

join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
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·RoadRunner Cable

said by GR_Thor See Profile :

The first gateway cities are Seattle, LA, Chicago, St Louis, Dallas, Atlanta, and NY. However at this time, only the StL gateway is up.

McHart, it's great that you found some servers to play on that ping well for you. If those are the only servers you use, GameRail probably isn't for you.

For me however, living in a place that does not have a direct internet drain (all of my traffic goes to Dallas or Chicago first, 98% of the time) I ping about 60ms to servers that are less than a mile away from me. Fire up GameRail, and it drops to 10-12ms. To the coasts, I regularly see improvements of ~40ms. This is all on my standard home connection, with no optimizations, or funny business. We can't, and never have, said that GameRail will work for everybody. The internet is a goofy place, and there will always be situations we unfortunately can't help with. That being said, there are lots of cases where we can.

But I guess the only way some people will accept that not everyone on the net is trying to pull one over on them is to try it, which you will be able to. If you don't like it, don't subscribe, but we think a lot of people will.
Nah, it's just about choosing the correct ISP. Also, I don't appreciate you coming on here selling your product.


Jameson
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reply to Mchart
said by Mchart See Profile :

I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.
Then you're just special aren't you.
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Mchart
Super Joe

join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
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reply to EnasYorl
said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Mchart See Profile :

I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.

When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency?
Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency.

Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts.

»www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details
Says the funny man with Comcast.

Hint - It starts with your ISP.


Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:

reply to EnasYorl
said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Mchart See Profile :

I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.

When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency?
Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency.

Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts.

»www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details
I would say latency is part of bandwidth, not the other way around


EnasYorl
Thieves World

join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL


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reply to Mchart
said by Mchart See Profile :

said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Mchart See Profile :

I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.

When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency?
Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency.

Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts.

»www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details
Says the funny man with Comcast.

Hint - It starts with your ISP.
Guess you better re-read my post.

And I have Verizon as well for backup and it gives me different peering points for if I'm inclined to reduce latency to certain servers when possible.


EnasYorl
Thieves World

join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL


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reply to Cheese
said by Cheese See Profile :

said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Mchart See Profile :

I consistantly get ping times that are better then those presented in the youtube video; all on my $23 a month connection.

When will people realize that more bandwidth != low latency?
Good Thing Gamerail is NOT just about bandwidth and IS about latency.

Bandwidth is only a part of latency. Network design is what counts.

»www.gamerail.com/index.php?famil···,details
I would say latency is part of bandwidth, not the other way around
Latency is the time it takes to arrive from Point A to Point B.

The 1st Part of Latency is physical distance traveled. SPeed of light in a vacuum is 5.4microseconds/mile (Light in Fiber is slower)
The 2nd Part of Latency is number of routers that have to process the packet. This is where allot of latency is produced.
The 3rd Part of Latency is the Bandwidth of the pipes to each router and how much traffic is competing against other user traffic. If this Pipe isn't overloaded then the issue is how the network is built between Point A and Point B or how many available peering points there are.

You should really read the Gamerail presentation as they explain it pretty well.

But Bandwidth is only a slice of the Latency pie. You cannot say Latency is part of the Bandwidth Pie.


Cheese
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said by EnasYorl See Profile :

Latency is the time it takes to arrive from Point A to Point B.

The 1st Part of Latency is physical distance traveled. SPeed of light in a vacuum is 5.4microseconds/mile (Light in Fiber is slower)
The 2nd Part of Latency is number of routers that have to process the packet. This is where allot of latency is produced.
The 3rd Part of Latency is the Bandwidth of the pipes to each router and how much traffic is competing against other user traffic. If this Pipe isn't overloaded then the issue is how the network is built between Point A and Point B or how many available peering points there are.

You should really read the Gamerail presentation as they explain it pretty well.

But Bandwidth is only a slice of the Latency pie. You cannot say Latency is part of the Bandwidth Pie.
Thanks for making my point.


EnasYorl
Thieves World

join:2001-12-02
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said by Cheese See Profile :

said by EnasYorl See Profile :

Latency is the time it takes to arrive from Point A to Point B.

The 1st Part of Latency is physical distance traveled. SPeed of light in a vacuum is 5.4microseconds/mile (Light in Fiber is slower)
The 2nd Part of Latency is number of routers that have to process the packet. This is where allot of latency is produced.
The 3rd Part of Latency is the Bandwidth of the pipes to each router and how much traffic is competing against other user traffic. If this Pipe isn't overloaded then the issue is how the network is built between Point A and Point B or how many available peering points there are.

You should really read the Gamerail presentation as they explain it pretty well.

But Bandwidth is only a slice of the Latency pie. You cannot say Latency is part of the Bandwidth Pie.
Thanks for making my point.
Better read that again. I disproved your point.

Otherwise give us your technical explanation to backup up your claim that Latency is only affected by Bandwidth.


Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Cheese See Profile :

said by EnasYorl See Profile :

Latency is the time it takes to arrive from Point A to Point B.

The 1st Part of Latency is physical distance traveled. SPeed of light in a vacuum is 5.4microseconds/mile (Light in Fiber is slower)
The 2nd Part of Latency is number of routers that have to process the packet. This is where allot of latency is produced.
The 3rd Part of Latency is the Bandwidth of the pipes to each router and how much traffic is competing against other user traffic. If this Pipe isn't overloaded then the issue is how the network is built between Point A and Point B or how many available peering points there are.

You should really read the Gamerail presentation as they explain it pretty well.

But Bandwidth is only a slice of the Latency pie. You cannot say Latency is part of the Bandwidth Pie.
Thanks for making my point.
Better read that again. I disproved your point.

Otherwise give us your technical explanation to backup up your claim that Latency is only affected by Bandwidth.
If I had actually said latency is only affected by bandwidth...

You might want to get those eyes checked.

LightS

join:2005-12-17
Granbury, TX
·EarthLink

reply to Mchart
Ohh, I love that. He's basically defending against the other posters here who say that his product sucks. It's wrong for you to do, and he's merely defending it.

Also for you other people, this network is good -- They peer with your ISP so you don't have to go with their public network -- instead, the gaming packets are routed directly to the game server.

Please do a little bit of reading before you criticize..


EnasYorl
Thieves World

join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL

reply to Cheese
said by Cheese See Profile :

If I had actually said latency is only affected by bandwidth...

You might want to get those eyes checked.
The problem with your argument is you claim Bandwidth is the main reason and it's not.


Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Cheese See Profile :

If I had actually said latency is only affected by bandwidth...

You might want to get those eyes checked.
The problem with your argument is you claim Bandwidth is the main reason and it's not.
I did? Please, OH PLEASE, show me where I said that. Oh that's right! You can't because I didn't say it!

I said, and I will quote since you seem to have a reading comprehension issue.

"I would say latency is part of bandwidth, not the other way around"

See how it says "latency is part of bandwidth"? You said bandwidth is part of latency, um, without bandwidth, there would be nothing to have latency

Buy hey, why bother! You aren't going to get what I was trying to say anyway


EnasYorl
Thieves World

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said by Cheese See Profile :

said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Cheese See Profile :

If I had actually said latency is only affected by bandwidth...

You might want to get those eyes checked.
The problem with your argument is you claim Bandwidth is the main reason and it's not.
I did? Please, OH PLEASE, show me where I said that. Oh that's right! You can't because I didn't say it!

I said, and I will quote since you seem to have a reading comprehension issue.

"I would say latency is part of bandwidth, not the other way around"

See how it says "latency is part of bandwidth"? You said bandwidth is part of latency, um, without bandwidth, there would be nothing to have latency

Buy hey, why bother! You aren't going to get what I was trying to say anyway
No I understand your point. You missed mine that Latency is largely from Electronic processing and transport. It's already a given that you need Layer One Bandwidth to get to the 1st Router.

Thanks for the discussion.


Cheese
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Naples, FL
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said by EnasYorl See Profile :

No I understand your point. You missed mine.

Thanks for the discussion.
Your point is obviously missed then. When you can make a valid point, then we can call is a discussion.


EnasYorl
Thieves World

join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL


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said by Cheese See Profile :

said by EnasYorl See Profile :

No I understand your point. You missed mine.

Thanks for the discussion.
Your point is obviously missed then. When you can make a valid point, then we can call is a discussion.
I did. You don't comprehend Layer 1, Layer 2 and Layer 3 network operation and I'm done discussing it.


Cheese
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said by EnasYorl See Profile :

said by Cheese See Profile :

said by EnasYorl See Profile :

No I understand your point. You missed mine.

Thanks for the discussion.
Your point is obviously missed then. When you can make a valid point, then we can call is a discussion.
I did. You don't comprehend Layer 1, Layer 2 and Layer 3 network operation and I'm done discussing it.
Layer 1, Layer 2, and Layer 3 network operations have nothing to do with MY POST. That is what is LOST on you, and you assume I know nothing about this from? You just assume? What I do know or do not know has absolutely nothing to do with my original post but thanks for playing!


Mchart
Super Joe

join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
·RoadRunner Cable

reply to LightS
said by LightS See Profile :

Ohh, I love that. He's basically defending against the other posters here who say that his product sucks. It's wrong for you to do, and he's merely defending it.

Also for you other people, this network is good -- They peer with your ISP so you don't have to go with their public network -- instead, the gaming packets are routed directly to the game server.

Please do a little bit of reading before you criticize..
I never claimed his product sucks. I only claimed that various users ISP's suck.
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