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I dont mind a corporation making a decent profit. What I DO mind is being nickle and dimed to death with fees that serve no other purpose than to enrich the corporation at my expense. "It's called business" is not a blanket justification for predatory practices in business.
Paying a modest rental fee for an extra piece of hardware that allows you to gain many additional channels, On Demand content, program information, an EPG and everything else is not nickel and diming you. If you buy a new car and it has a navigation system are you ‘nickeled and dimed’ because it is an extra cost?
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Disney is one of the most rapacious corporations around, right on a par with time warner. Besides which, you keep talking about HD like it's normal and everyone has it or, the money for it. It's not and most people dont have it or the money to splurge on it.
Umm HD is the future and the future is now, it will be the norm so get used to it. I don't even think you can find a TV larger then 36" now that is not HD, and when current TVs die people will replace them with HDTVs. Besides HDTVs aren’t that much anymore.
I don't care about new standard def channels, I don’t want anymore, SD is useless. I want Versus HD so I can see my Sabres in the playoffs, I want ESPN 2 HD for more MLB action. The *evil* (  ) Disney will provide the *evil* ( ) Time Warner with ESPNEWS HD when it launches which will be great for sports fans. So take your anti-corporate BS somewhere else, because I don’t want to hear about it. And I want the removal of analog to ensure the most bandwidth be allot to HD. I DVR about 20 shows a week plus all my sports action, South Park, Family Guy and The Shield are the only two shows I watch on a regular basis that aren’t in HD and it is quite painful to watch, not as painful as seeing the #1 team in the NHL in SD though. That plain sucks.
Like it or not HD is the future and it’s here, I know many people who have gotten HD in the past year, it not just *evil* rich people anymore, I mean this is Buffalo, NY not exactly the best economical market in the county.
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The point that escapes you is that digital is the nature of the beast for satellite and it is a PROPRIETARY system. On the other hand, cable is not, nor has it ever been. Analog cable in it's basic form was nothing more than recieving the channel, either local or satellite, converting it to another channel, if required, amplifying it, then sending it to customers and they should be forced to pass on the digital signals in their original, standard format, like they do analog now so people can use their own equipment to receive it like they do now, without having to pay comcase for a box.
And times have changed. Cable is no longer about providing basic content in simple form. I don’t think most people have a problem with additional hardware, I mean there’s 28 million satellite TV customers now, add on the millions of Digital Cable customers and you’ll find every few people using their TVs cable ready tuner, now QAM that may be a different story. I know of no one that is an analog cable subscriber. I don’t know the Buffalo system, but for Time Warner Rochester digital cable is only $3 more than basic cable, plus the cost of the box and you get probably over double the channels and due to digital simulcast, almost every channel is digital.
As I said before, like or not, your side will eventually in time lose and mine will win. It may not be next month, or next year or even 2009, but in the not too distant future analog cable will be a thing of the past, maybe not completely, but to get anything more the locals and a CSPAN you'll be required to have digital, and that will be a beautiful day. I’m really glad more people like you aren’t around, maybe 12” black and white bubble TVs with 3 channels would still be the norm. Or what about the internet. Yeah 28K dial up is fast enough for every one. Always demand more, and never to satisfied with what you got. I have 17 channels in HD and 15Mb internet, not enough and too slow. I want 25 HD channels and 20Mb internet.
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1 edit | "Paying a modest rental fee for an extra piece of hardware that allows you to gain many additional channels, On Demand content, program information, an EPG and everything else is not nickel and diming you. If you buy a new car and it has a navigation system are you ‘nickeled and dimed’ because it is an extra cost?"
Many additional repeat channels and useless crap. I dont need "on demand" either. Program info which is just a continuing advertisment. Why should I pay them for that? It is nickle and diming you, that's why they add these so called "features" that are, generally, as worthless as tits on a boar. A navigation system (ever hear of maps?) is a option that you decide to pay for, not something included in your bill that you cant refuse.
The point is that currently, HD is NOT the norm and it wont be for years yet. You may not care about standard def, but other people do. If you dont like what I say, go somewhere else. No one says you have to respond or try to argue with me, do they? Yours is not the only possible viewpoint, my friend. My viewpoint is not any less valid simply because YOU dont agree with it.
And, as I said: Just because you have the money to spend doesn't mean everyone does. Nor is everyone a freek for HD either. 28 million satellite customers and maybe 20 million digital cable out of 300 million people...Yet, it is estimated that the "average" US household has 2-3 TV sets.
As you can see, analog still rules, with cable ready being the norm. Especially since it is easy to split the signals to multiple TV's. If the digital signals were simply passed on, people could get their own boxes and not have to pay comcast endlessly. That's the thing about renting: It never ends. At some point, regardless of when, it becomes profit, especially if you keep recycling the box with $29.95 "Installation" fees.
None of this alters the fact that cable is a different animal than satellite. People that want satellite know that they need a box. People on analog cable know they dont need a box unless they want HBO, etc. | |
RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to Steve Mehs
said by Steve Mehs:If you buy a new car and it has a navigation system are you ‘nickeled and dimed’ because it is an extra cost? Bad example. Nobody forces you to buy a new car, and especially one with a navigation system you don't want. To continue with your analogy, this is the manufacturer making you pay more to continue driving the car you already have.
This is a de facto price increase, and a hefty one at that, as I detailed elsewhere. Address that.
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