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Re: WARNING, parents:your child @ school & porn sites
said by whocares  :IF you don't UNDERSTAND the problem,then you cannot possibly understand how to solve it,or protect our children I understand the problem perfectly well.
I believe that keeping kids from harmful images is a fine idea. Schools need to do some level of filtering so that education is not a porn-filled day, but I don't take the position that seeing the occasional two people gettin' it on is really all that damaging for a teenager.
There is also only so much that one can do in a large school of 2,000 kids to keep them from doing things they should not, and overreacting to images of naked people sends the message to kids that adults have a poor sense of perspective when it comes to what's important and what's not.
It's in the same class as this "zero-tolerance" nonsense regarding drugs: it's a dangerous message to give children.
But you've said that if parents raised their kids right, the kids would not want porn in the first place, and I think this reflects upon your understanding of adolescents, and in that manner casts a pall over the rest of your assessment of the issue.
If you want to pretend you didn't say that, well, I guess that's your prerogative.
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said by whocares :i give up IF you don't UNDERSTAND the problem,then you cannot possibly understand how to solve it,or protect our children No filter can be fully effective in blocking access to porn sites. People who expect schools and libraries to have 100% effective filters in place to do that are simply living in a fantasy world.
Also, what some people call "porn" varies considerably. Some people would call anything they find objectionable, including sex education materials, "porn" and go on crusades for censorship. In the end, nothing can take the place of having the kids themselves well adjusted enough to turn away from truly pornographic stuff when they stumble upon it. The stumbling upon that stuff is inevitable--it is how kids react to it that should be a realistic target for the efforts here, not an impossible sanitizing of the whole world in which they live. | |
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said by fivetimeparent :
This is turning the world upside down. I've raised five, all have had their fair share of porn one way or the other (Playboy in the old days, internet lately). No harm done and all of them ended up very well,both emotional as for having a decent job.
pick yourself a less rigid and more open minded school.
yes have to agree with SOME you about your statement,but thats as you said was a different time period,your sons,(men now)but back when you were raising your sons how many times did you hear of a young boy or girl being kidnapped,molested,killed or brutalized,& i would also dare say when playboy was being sold they were kept mostly behind the counter,
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pick yourself a less rigid and more open minded school.
oh you mean a school that allows teachers to molest students,or allows students to make out & get into some heavy " petting or necking" in the halls?? & not have to learn anything.
that argument fails, [b]anyway post says what needed to be said,PARENTS protect your children even while at school
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whocares
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claud,Also, what some people call "porn" varies considerably. Some people would call anything they find objectionable,including sex education materials,
understood as you saying good sound argument,,what some people call "porn" varies considerably,
and yes nothing will be done UNLESS parents who care about their child's education ban togeather & to force the pron out of the schools & libraries,
THERE is a time & place for everything but a public school & a library isn't the place for porn
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said by whocares :said by fivetimeparent :
This is turning the world upside down. I've raised five, all have had their fair share of porn one way or the other (Playboy in the old days, internet lately). No harm done and all of them ended up very well,both emotional as for having a decent job.
pick yourself a less rigid and more open minded school.
yes have to agree with SOME you about your statement,but thats as you said was a different time period,your sons,(men now)but back when you were raising your sons how many times did you hear of a young boy or girl being kidnapped,molested,killed or brutalized,& i would also dare say when playboy was being sold they were kept mostly behind the counter, *********************************************** pick yourself a less rigid and more open minded school. oh you mean a school that allows teachers to molest students,or allows students to make out & get into some heavy " petting or necking" in the halls?? & not have to learn anything.
that argument fails, [b]anyway post says what needed to be said,PARENTS protect your children even while at school Ask yourself how many people during that time had access to national and world media sources that spend most of their time doing nothing but writing up stories on kidnappings, molestations, brutalizations, and killings. Porn does not cause people to do those acts. These are not new topics. You are just able to receive more news from around the world than you were previously and news sources have found that these are the types of stories that interest people and increase their ratings.
There is no chance a school can protect your child 100%. For every 100 ways to filter, there are 100 ways to get around those filters. Technology has not advanced to a point where the computer can say "Hey, this is pornography, so I should filter it!"
If you truly want to protect your child from everything "negative" in the world, shut off the TV, shut take away ALL their video games, take away ALL their music, take away ALL their books, stop accepting the newspaper, stop accepting magazines, pull them from school and stick them in homeschooling, because otherwise it's just a matter of time before they run across something you don't like and go on a "WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!" rampage. | |
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said by whocares :claud,Also, what some people call "porn" varies considerably. Some people would call anything they find objectionable,including sex education materials, understood as you saying good sound argument,,what some people call "porn" varies considerably, and yes nothing will be done UNLESS parents who care about their child's education ban togeather & to force the pron out of the schools & libraries, THERE is a time & place for everything but a public school & a library isn't the place for porn As in a coalition. You expect everything to be 100% perfect? Nothing is this perfect..and that includes internet filters.
And I think you are acting PARANOID about your children, not everyone who uses the school computers or the library just to look at porn. One image isn't going to damage a HIGH SCHOOL kid in any way, shape, or form.
Also, you can't say you were an angel child when you were in your teenage years either.
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This was said before but I want to re-iterate....
This mother is doing more harm to her daughter than good by not allowing her on the internet at school. Also changing schools wont help anything either because I am betting that they all have some sort of site filter in place. The filters are not infallible, It could be some obscure porn site that was not blocked, or it could be the kids actively finding proxies to beat the filters. Basically this is going to happen where ever anyones kid goes to school....teenagers want porn and they will find work arounds to get it...
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I'm smelling a thread-lock here, but any school or parent can put as much computer-filtering applications they want, but kids will still find a way to access what they're looking for.
Lets forget about Internet porn for a second.
When I was in high school from 1989 till 1993, the Internet really wasn't what it is today. If y'all can remember back that far, you might remember such terminology as "BBS's", "PCBoard", "14,400", "USR Robotics Dual Standard", and so on. Sure, a few people (like myself and some friends) used our 14,400's to dial into a local BBS to download some porn. I also checked the weather, read news, and researched.
After my high school years, I went off to an accredited institution, earning a degree in Economics, hold two jobs right now, and have a wonderful girlfriend and great family life. I turned out just fine, and I'm proud of who I am.
The vast majority of kids when I went to high school didn't even have computers yet, much less were they on the Internet as it existed then. Yet kids still fooled around in the bathrooms, and , people still got pregnant at the ripe old age of 17! Who woulda thunk it?
It's a reasonable assumption to want to filter content in schools for all sorts of reasons, but filtering adult content to "protect the children" is a battle that will always be lost. The argument that "bad kids only look at porn" is something I have an issue with, both personally and professionally.
Use filtering to minimize abuse on school machines and hope for a civil outcome.
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I rather have my kids watch a R or X rated sex movie then a horror movie. Making love is good. Killing people is not. | |
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My High School is utterly worthless. They use the iPrism "St. Bernard" filtering hardware/software combo, and I'm not sure if it is the device itself, or the idiots that set it up, but regardless of what it is supposed to do, its nothing but a mere annoyance.
The system in place winds up blocking more legitimate sites than bad ones (In fact it misses many "bad sites"). And not only does it simply miss many things, but there are so many easy ways around the blocks that the majority of the student body/teachers are well aware of how to use. For example, in my graphics class, we often need to find things on the internet to use in projects. Simply navigating to images.google.com turns up blocked but images.google.us which immediately redirects to .com is ok. That is how we work around things to get work done. When the teacher has to instruct their students how to circumvent the blocks to get the school completed, you know there is a problem.
Also, this site, Broadband reports is blocked, however, its IP address is not. So htt p:// 209.123.109.175 works fine.  Some more good sites that are blocked include (even for research/learning purposes)Message boards, NEWS SITES (Good thing we're blocking whats going on in the world, we wouldn't want our students to know that!), physics sites with flash videos and animations...the list goes on.
The truth is, that their filtering system does nothing. Block game sites? Kids find more. Block youtube, kids use google video. The system is nothing more than a giant frustration. Everyone that thinks filtering systems are terrific needs to see what happens when those systems get in the hands of a "highly qualified" IT, which in my school means someone with an art degree that knows how to use the Internet.
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Porn, kidnapping, what has the world coming too?
I yearn for the good old days, when clearly none of that ever happened.
Oh wait, I forgot about the lynchings, discrimination, abused workers, unequal rights for women, ect.
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but back when you were raising your sons how many times did you hear of a young boy or girl being kidnapped,molested,killed
Yes! You got it, no one was ever kidnapped, raped, molested or killed until those bastards put the first porn site up in the internet! Curse this dirty dirty world. | |
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not everyone who uses the school computers or the library just to look at porn
There is no chance a school can protect your child 100%. For every 100 ways to filter, there are 100 ways to get around those filters.
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PhoenixAZ,lopinboy good argument/counter point,but then also guess you don't mind tax payers $$ being wasted,because a PUBLIC SCHOOL or library that we pay for will not install filters,.
again not talking private,but a PUBLIC place.
where childrens mind are still being developing.
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I do not think that the government should be responsible for censorship. In all schools in my district we are to sign a contract stating that we will not use the schools internet for yatta yatta yatta. One of those lines lists access to any pornography.
If the student is too immature enough and his parents do not give him a nice smack in the ass every now and then he will lose his privilages and let the parents deal with how he/she will do an assignment on the computer.
With your thinking because a teenager bought a car he has the capability of running someone over so we should ban cars to teenagers.
Now the school is simply providing access to the internet, whether you like it or not you can use the internet to do a research project or to look at sex. If you want to protect your daughter or son get out of your ass from that couch and go take them to the library and help them out with their project but also monitor what sites they go too.
Also sex is part of education and if you want to restrict your son or daughter and have them choose who to marry because simply you do not agree with their decisions then go to these Saudi Arabia.
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loker, dang smart SENIBLE reply, thats one i/nor other parents never thought about, guess filters are like firewalls or SPAM they are not going to "catch" everything".
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said by Michieru2 : In all schools in my district we are to sign a contract stating that we will not use the schools internet for yatta yatta yatta. One of those lines lists access to any pornography. With your thinking because a teenager bought a car he has the capability of running someone over so we should ban cars to teenagers. Michieru,no my #1 argument is PARENTS need to take responsibility & teach their children right from wrong,morals & BE A PARENT,
and in the new article the also showed where the student HAS TO sign a contracting stateing what you have mentioned.
so yes MAYBE mother should "talk to other parents" & to the school board,
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said by whocares :not to get into any arguments, but maybe IF some parents raised their children RIGHT their children would not even be thinking of porn in the 1st place, Raise them right so they wouldn't even think of porn? Do you castrate your high school kids to cut off any sexual instincts? And what's the deal with all the bold tags? | |
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Its your problem if you raised your kids to want porn. Sooner or later they will see it, and its better if they know what it is and ignore it, than see it and loose their minds. Its upto a kid to not search for it, than for a school to stop it. The kids has to know its not alright, and he has to leave the page, if he cant handle that, why is he on a computer in the first place?
A poster was right, lock your kid in a straight jacket in a cage if you dont want him to be "tainted". The straight jacket is to prevent him from going blind and growing furry palms, and getting cancer (the devils disease) and burning in the arms of Satan and Witches for Eternity. | |
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said by whocares :not everyone who uses the school computers or the library just to look at porn There is no chance a school can protect your child 100%. For every 100 ways to filter, there are 100 ways to get around those filters. ======================================================= PhoenixAZ,lopinboy good argument/counter point,but then also guess you don't mind tax payers $$ being wasted,because a PUBLIC SCHOOL or library that we pay for will not install filters,. again not talking private,but a PUBLIC place. where childrens mind are still being developing. Our tax money is wasted on far more other useless projects that the amount wasted on filtering is extremely minuscule. If it were up to me, there wouldn't be any filtering on any computers in schools or libraries, because in actuality they are more detrimental to learning than they are beneficial at blocking pornography. The best form of filtering would simply be having all the computers face the same exact direction and position the librarian or another person in a way that they can monitor computer activity. | |
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Oh my, Jazzy, you have completely overlooked the real issue here: the reason these kids are so interested in porn is because of that naughty rock & roll and rap music that they listen to. Now run off to the RIAA- maybe they'll lend a sympathetic ear.  | |
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said by CPM :I rather have my kids watch a R or X rated sex movie then a horror movie. Making love is good. Killing people is not. I certainly agree. Our society feels it's all right to let kids see absolutely any form of violence 24/7. But, not nakedness and certainly NO love-making. We are a sick society.
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