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Re: WARNING, parents:your child @ school & porn sites
said by whocares  :IF some parents raised their children RIGHT their children would not even be thinking of porn in the 1st place... What does it mean to "raise your children RIGHT"?
And what the hell has that to do with porn, anyways?
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Mchart
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Gurnee, IL | reply to whocares
Would you please stop posting these utterly worthless threads? Seriously. Kids will find any way possible to view porn. They aren't as innocent as you like to think. Stop making these absurd threads and get a grip on your life. |
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MooJohn
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I think the wrong issue is being discussed. Yes, porn is accessible in many schools. We all know that filtering isn't 100% effective. Fixes using this technology are just band-aids for the real issue.
I want to know why nobody is questioning the SUPERVISION of these students while they're using the computers. Too often, school computers are treated as electronic babysitters, as if they were just some sort of over-complicated CD player.
Computers need to be positioned so that monitors are visible to others. Someone needs to be doing their job and watching the students while they're in class. The computer is just the medium; it could just as easily be a porn magazine or a "travel-size" DVD player loaded with the latest Girls Gone Wild.
I say take the focus off of what they're using to view porn and work on how and why they're able to do it in the classroom in the first place.
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Mchart
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| said by MooJohn :I think the wrong issue is being discussed. Yes, porn is accessible in many schools. We all know that filtering isn't 100% effective. Fixes using this technology are just band-aids for the real issue. I want to know why nobody is questioning the SUPERVISION of these students while they're using the computers. Too often, school computers are treated as electronic babysitters, as if they were just some sort of over-complicated CD player. Computers need to be positioned so that monitors are visible to others. Someone needs to be doing their job and watching the students while they're in class. The computer is just the medium; it could just as easily be a porn magazine or a "travel-size" DVD player loaded with the latest Girls Gone Wild. I say take the focus off of what they're using to view porn and work on how and why they're able to do it in the classroom in the first place. Hint - It is hard for a single teacher to keep track of the alt-tabbing activities of 50+ kids at the same time. |
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Pake
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2 edits | Placing a person of power behind the students rather than in front or to the sides makes people more hesitant to Alt+Tab to those types of sites. |
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Mchart
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2 edits | said by Pake :Placing a person of power behind the students rather than in front or to the sides makes people more hesitant to Alt+Tab to those types of sites. 50+ students would make it difficult, but there should never be more than 25 students to 1 administrator anyways. You could do that with a group of 10 kids. Unfortunatly it is way more then 10 kids.
Apparently you are unaware of the allready-here (Not-looming like it was) teacher:kid ratio.
You have teachers with class sizes of 30+ kids. In the library you have 3-4 classes at a time with at most 4 teachers. 4 teachers at most are in no way able to monitor the actions of that many students. |
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Pake
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| said by Mchart :said by Pake :Placing a person of power behind the students rather than in front or to the sides makes people more hesitant to Alt+Tab to those types of sites. You could do that with a group of 10 kids. Unfortunatly it is way more then 10 kids. The rule of thumb is generally no more than 25 students to 1 teacher. Any more than that and the problem should not be able computer filtering, but rather student to teacher ratio. |
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Mchart
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| said by Pake :said by Mchart :said by Pake :Placing a person of power behind the students rather than in front or to the sides makes people more hesitant to Alt+Tab to those types of sites. You could do that with a group of 10 kids. Unfortunatly it is way more then 10 kids. The rule of thumb is generally no more than 25 students to 1 teacher. Any more than that and the problem should not be able computer filtering, but rather student to teacher ratio. DING DING DING!!! What do you think is happening to the majority of the public schools across America due to the lack of federal funding? |
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2 edits | said by Mchart :DING DING DING!!! What do you think is happening to the majority of the public schools across America due to the lack of federal funding? And that has absolutely nothing to do with pornography filtering, which is the topic of this thread. |
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| said by Pake :said by Mchart :DING DING DING!!! What do you think is happening to the majority of the public schools across America due to the lack of federal funding? And that has absolutely nothing to do with pornography filtering, which is the topic of this thread. "The rule of thumb is generally no more than 25 students to 1 teacher. Any more than that and the problem should not be able computer filtering, but rather student to teacher ratio."
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Horny1
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Big deal, so lil Johnny sees a penis penetrating a vagina. Whoooopeeee!
If you want to rally behind a cause, go after movie content like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. (Saw the OnDemand previews, now that sh!t actually turns my stomach.) |
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Pake
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said by Mchart :said by Pake :said by Mchart :DING DING DING!!! What do you think is happening to the majority of the public schools across America due to the lack of federal funding? And that has absolutely nothing to do with pornography filtering, which is the topic of this thread. "The rule of thumb is generally no more than 25 students to 1 teacher. Any more than that and the problem should not be able computer filtering, but rather student to teacher ratio." k Complain about the funding then, but this isn't about funding, it's about how to prevent students from viewing material the school doesn't want them to view. You can also limit the number of computers to 25, that's VERY easy to do. |
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said by Mchart :Hint - It is hard for a single teacher to keep track of the alt-tabbing activities of 50+ kids at the same time. Absolutely, but the goal is not to stop every instance of pr0n, but to find the kids that do it repeatedly. This means that if the teacher can always see your screen, you'll eventually get caught and identify yourself as a non-compliant student.
The fear of getting caught goes a long way to cutting down on inappropriate activity.
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ric b
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PARENTS need to take responsibility & teach their children right from wrong,morals & BE A PARENT,
um, that should NEVER include censorship. Morals/right from wrong and censorship, are not the same thing (totally). You are teaching your children to believe what YOU believe, not letting them make up their own minds, based on right from wrong, or even basic morals. If you want to take away internet acess, then you must, as someone already said, take away everything else, music, books etc. (EVERYTHING).
By taking away EVERYTHING that can in some way teach a child pretty much whatever they want to know, then you are living your childs life for them. YOU are censoring your own children. If that's what a person likes to do, then that's great. Do it to your OWN children, not everyone elses children.
This USED to be the land of the FREE. Now everyone wants to be in everyone elses business and telling them how to live their lives. When I think about it, telling "you" to stay out of other people's lives, is being a hypocrite too. The difference is, I prefer to let my children, and everyone elses child too, to live their OWN lives.
A Child can drive a car at the age of 16, but can't buy cigarettes until the age of 18. What's wrong there? They can be driving the car and be killed on the way home from getting their license, but they have to wait to kill themselves with cigarettes, until they are a much old age, and the disease will take years to kill them. Heck, I say ban cars.  |
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Mchart
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said by Pake :Complain about the funding then, but this isn't about funding, it's about how to prevent students from viewing material the school doesn't want them to view. You can also limit the number of computers to 25, that's VERY easy to do. Right, because it is totally realistic to make a bunch of classrooms of only 25 computers at a highschool that has an incomming freshmen class size of nearly 3000 kids. |
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JammerMan79
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said by fatness : quote:
"I went into Kroger and their were two young girls," she said. "I said, 'Are you in high school' and they said 'Yes, we are.' I said, 'Have you all ever accessed porn or know anybody who did on the computer' and they said, 'Yes, all the time'&at school"
Sounds like a thoroughly-researched and convincing study to me.  LOL... that's exactly what I was thinking.
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Pake
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said by Mchart :said by Pake :Complain about the funding then, but this isn't about funding, it's about how to prevent students from viewing material the school doesn't want them to view. You can also limit the number of computers to 25, that's VERY easy to do. Right, because it is totally realistic to make a bunch of classrooms of only 25 computers at a highschool that has an incomming freshmen class size of nearly 3000 kids. Realistically any school district would build a new school when it reaches those numbers. If they aren't, complain about that.
Unrealistically would they ever dream that 3000 freshman would be acceptable.
And honestly, I'm confused at why we're arguing when many of us have said something similar to your statement here in this thread:
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Would you please stop posting these utterly worthless threads? Seriously. Kids will find any way possible to view porn. They aren't as innocent as you like to think. Stop making these absurd threads and get a grip on your life.
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heels_fan
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Kids looking at porn on the internet is the same as kids stealing their daddy's Playboy magazines years ago.
Kids(boys in particular) have been secretly looking at porn forever.
You are not going to stop it totally, matter of fact, I dare to say it will get harder to stop unless other measures be put in place. (Rap music ect)
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whocares
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said by Mchart :Would you please stop posting these utterly worthless threads? Seriously. Kids will find any way possible to view porn. They aren't as innocent as you like to think. Stop making these absurd threads and get a grip on your life. Mchart
IF you don't want to read or discuss the issue thats fine,& you don't care about how or what your kid becomes,
but MAYBE,just MAYBE,the post WILL cause other parents to teach their child or children right from wrong,porn is like cigarettes or drugs,you have to talk to your children about them & teach them its wrong
as far as contiuing this post,[b]what was posted HAS BEEN GIVEN a good discussion by most
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i'll let the teens, kids & people that like to argue among themselves,have this post |
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fivetimeparent
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porn is like cigarettes or drugs,you have to talk to your children about them & teach them its wrong
Sorry, but stating porn is on one and the same level as cigarettes or even drugs and wrong is a gros misconception. People, children included, have been growing up with porn and sex as far back as the old Greeks and Romans. That's the way it has been and always will be. Nothing wrong with that. Learn your children what it's all about and provided you do it the right way, there's nothing to worry about. |
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