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Re: WARNING, parents:your child @ school & porn sites
said by whocares  :But also believe that any public school, library,ect SHOULD block any type of porn,games,music,links that are offesive in language,image's or words[/b[ & and PARENTS HAVE A RIGHT to expect this type of protection for their children,you can call it CENSORSHIP,or freedom of speech or whatever, but when you,([B]NOT YOU PERSONALLY but a public school,library,ect) where my son or daughter is concerned, then you have no freedom speech around my loved one So, are you the type that is in favor of banning classic books such as Huckleberry Finn and Catcher in the Rye because they may contain "offensive language?" And exactly who is in charge of deeming what is "offensive" and what isn't? Banning pornography from public school computers is one thing, but the rest of what you are asking for is downright scary and represents everything that is wrong with "parenting" in this country at present. | |
SimbaTLK1
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said by Pake :If it were up to me, there wouldn't be any filtering on any computers in schools or libraries, because in actuality they are more detrimental to learning than they are beneficial at blocking pornography. My point exactly. Thank you.
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| said by SimbaTLK1 :said by Pake :If it were up to me, there wouldn't be any filtering on any computers in schools or libraries, because in actuality they are more detrimental to learning than they are beneficial at blocking pornography. My point exactly. Thank you. --Matt those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornography
kinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you..
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Pake
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1 edit | said by whocares :said by SimbaTLK1 :said by Pake :If it were up to me, there wouldn't be any filtering on any computers in schools or libraries, because in actuality they are more detrimental to learning than they are beneficial at blocking pornography. My point exactly. Thank you. --Matt those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornographykinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you.. Viewing pornography has never killed anyone. | |
RogerADSL
join:2004-12-10
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The Teacher's union would ban the study of what the difference between a Democracy and a Republic are. If the kids watch porn at school, then they don't have enough homework. | |
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said by whocares :said by SimbaTLK1 :said by Pake :If it were up to me, there wouldn't be any filtering on any computers in schools or libraries, because in actuality they are more detrimental to learning than they are beneficial at blocking pornography. My point exactly. Thank you. --Matt those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornographykinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you.. There is nothing wrong with pornography. | |
galacticroot
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"Click on images, so we did that and you have the option at the bottom to filter or not," she said. "I said, 'Take the filter off' and she did and asked 'Now what?' and I said 'Type in spank.' And then she pressed 'go' and two minutes later, it was full of naked women all over the screen." It sounds like they are talking about Google image search.
Most filtering software works by blocking specific sites, images, pages with keywords, etc... Since one instance of "spank" probably isn't enough for most keyword filters to block the page, and the images are thumbnails which have been processed by Google, I doubt many filters will selectively block images on GIS without blocking the whole thing.
The option to turn off the filter is given by Google, not the school.
Anyway, what I remember most about the filter we had in high school (N2H2 Bess), is that it wasn't very accurate. First, I will say that it was reasonably good at not blocking appropriate pages as porn. Unfortunately, the administrator had enabled a bunch of other banned categories, which were not as conservative in their filtering.
Often, completely benign pages were blocked under some random category, like "Sexual content" or "Hate speech". Often, the reason was that there was someone elsewhere on the site which met one of those categories and the whole site was blocked.
While porn is not usually found alongside legitimate research material (for high school students anyway), certain kinds of other banned material maybe. Among the most problematic categories were (I don't remember the names exactly): "Hate speech", which often included anything that wasn't politically correct. "Drugs/gambling", which meant anyone doing a research paper on substance abuse was in for a difficult time. "Sexual content", a very wide category which would include anything from many health sites to actual pornography. As everyone already knows, the "Nudity" category frequently blocks entire art sites because of (gasp!) nudity. Oh, and last, but not least, my favorite "Crimes/Illegal activities", which frequently included things like legitimate computer security sites.
The net result was that it frequently got in the way of legitimate research. Once, I wrote a research paper on Internet censorship. That one was especially difficult to research at school, since the filter also blocked pages related that gave information about filtering software. A friend had a similar problem when doing a research paper that was related to computer games. The filter also blocked game related sites.
Frequently, I would be trying to find a page about a legitimate topic (I was one of the kids who didn't use the computers to search for porn), and would get a blocked page message. I would go to my trusty encrypted off-site proxy, and visit the page anyway. 80% of the time, it would be completely benign (and I would think to myself "WTF is with this filter?"). 15% of the time, there would be something on the page which could explain why it was filtered, but wasn't really that bad (a health site with some articles on sexual topics, a computer security site which has information about exploits, the site has an article about drug abuse, etc...). Only around 5% of the time would the page actually have anything that would make sense to filter.
As I said before, the filtering of porn actually worked OK (at least as far as having few false positives), but the other categories were very subjective and often included things which were not really appropriate to block for high schoolers. It probably would have worked much better had they limited it to blocking porn and only porn. Very rarely were any of the false positives categorized as porn.
As for the effectiveness in actually blocking porn, I can't really say much, since I didn't test it, although I know it didn't block GIS with SafeSearch turned off either. | |
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said by Pake :... stories on kidnappings, molestations, brutalizations, and killings. Porn does not cause people to do those acts. True, porn does not cause people to do those acts. Porn is but one of a number of passive media that cannot "cause" anybody to do anything. Behavior is a choice. But porn arguably does have an effect on people, if only to create in them a desire to see more of it or view nastier and more-explicit forms of it. If a person is inherently unstable or secretly fantasizes heavily about certain behavior, porn can encourage them to put thought and suggestion into action. And perhaps even show them how. Far too many serial killers and child molestors have come down the path with a documented history of severe porn fixation to ignore the connection in their lives and choices. That is not the same thing as saying porn causes such behavior... but it can and does influence it. Alcohol does not cause traffic accidents, but it has an influence on people who do cause accidents. Perhaps the most damning thing is that porn, by its inherent focus on self-gratification, leads to viewing people as mere objects for achieving self-gratification, much of the time at the expense of the other person's dignity. In the wrong minds, that can be as destructive as dynamite. And to the minds of the young, that viewpoint is as damaging as poison.
It never ceases to amaze me that folks who argue vehemently that media like TV, video, computers, books, etc can be such positive and effective tools to educating, improving, and motivating people (especially the young) will go into equally vehement denial that such media can be used destructively or have a negative impact or motivation on those same people.
But as to how best to raise a child in the real world, I agree with those who have indicated that the key lies in communicating with them openly and often about values and the choices they'll face or already are facing, and discussing with them the reasons for and consequences of those choices.
edit: clarified para 2
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Look maybe parents should tell their kids not to do stuff and the kids should listen. If you want to have a some software babysit your kid, maybe you shouldn't have kids. | |
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said by ric b :... um, that should NEVER include censorship. Morals/right from wrong and censorship, are not the same thing (totally). You are teaching your children to believe what YOU believe, not letting them make up their own minds, based on right from wrong, or even basic morals. If you want to take away internet acess, then you must, as someone already said, take away everything else, music, books etc. (EVERYTHING). By taking away EVERYTHING that can in some way teach a child pretty much whatever they want to know, then you are living your childs life for them. YOU are censoring your own children. If that's what a person likes to do, then that's great. Do it to your OWN children, not everyone elses children. This USED to be the land of the FREE. Now everyone wants to be in everyone elses business and telling them how to live their lives. When I think about it, telling "you" to stay out of other people's lives, is being a hypocrite too. The difference is, I prefer to let my children, and everyone elses child too, to live their OWN lives. ... Wow, that's pretty much my whole view about all censorship..
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Pake
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said by Blackbird :said by Pake :... stories on kidnappings, molestations, brutalizations, and killings. Porn does not cause people to do those acts. True, porn does not cause people to do those acts. Porn is but one of a number of passive media that cannot "cause" anybody to do anything. Behavior is a choice. But porn arguably does have an effect on people, if only to create in them a desire to see more of it or view nastier and more-explicit forms of it. If a person is inherently unstable or secretly fantasizes heavily about certain behavior, porn can encourage them to put thought and suggestion into action. And perhaps even show them how. Far too many serial killers and child molestors have come down the path with a documented history of severe porn fixation to ignore the connection in their lives and choices. That is not the same thing as saying porn causes such behavior... but it can and does influence it. Alcohol does not cause traffic accidents, but it has an influence on people who do cause accidents. Perhaps the most damning thing is that porn, by its inherent focus on self-gratification, leads to viewing people as mere objects for achieving self-gratification, much of the time at the expense of the other person's dignity. In the wrong minds, that can be as destructive as dynamite. And to the minds of the young, that viewpoint is as damaging as poison. It never ceases to amaze me that folks who argue vehemently that media like TV, video, computers, books, etc can be such positive and effective tools to educating, improving, and motivating people (especially the young) will go into equally vehement denial that such media can be used destructively or have a negative impact or motivation on those same people. But as to how best to raise a child in the real world, I agree with those who have indicated that the key lies in communicating with them openly and often about values and the choices they'll face or already are facing, and discussing with them the reasons for and consequences of those choices. edit: clarified para 2 Every single thing in the world has some effect or another on a person, but to cherrypick and say that this or that are the exact reasons that a person grows up to be this or that is ignorance. As I previously mentioned before, the only way to stop a person from being effected would be to shut them out from all forms of media and society. Even then, now you are influencing them in another way, but at least now the person can influence them exactly into believing what they want.
Most people know that all forms are media come with positive and negative impacts. Also, the same can be said about those who argue that media is nothing but negative and deny all that is positive about it. | |
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HI Jazzy,
My focus has always been on the perverts. Our society seems to be afraid of the naked body and when some adults see one they have mixed reaction. Children are curious as they go through puberty..usually before that time they will tell you "if you have seen one, you have seen them all" since we are born naked.
Children are vulnerable...Those adults that exploit that vulnerability are wicked and a menace to society.
The issue for children will always be exposure. Parents now days do not know who they can trust.
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The introduction of computers into the schools goes way back now. Apple gave them away but they were not internet ready.
I do not have a solution today for the porn exposure in schools..since parents have come to realize they can not even control it at home on their own systems effectively much less ones their children use.
I would suggest to any school that has computers with internet access that they could have parents sign a waiver since it is a fact no admin could effectively guarantee NO EXPOSURE.
Those parents who do not want to sign the waiver should get with their school board and see if it is possible for computer with no internet access and still accomplish The Schools "goal statements" in training, skills, and testing at the various age levels that parents are most concerned.
There are other solutions..VNP to only inter school training or approved training sites with no exposure to the
the rest of the internet.
On windows machines The HOSTS file can be used not only for block black lists..but more importantly ALL white list ONLY..then block all other Sites. There are also then ways to lockout anyone from changing that HOSTS file.
And IE does have security settings under Internet Options.
Once set..there are ways to lock out a user from changing them..and even hide the control panel.
Some will now post that kids of any age could hack into a PC and change it all around then still get on the Internet and get porn..  True..and then those are the kids you had better watch real close for some day they too will be adults.
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said by whocares :said by SimbaTLK1 :said by Pake :If it were up to me, there wouldn't be any filtering on any computers in schools or libraries, because in actuality they are more detrimental to learning than they are beneficial at blocking pornography. My point exactly. Thank you. --Matt those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornographykinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you.. dont force your moral and/or religious intolerance on anybody Jazzy
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3 edits | the post was ABOUT a parent TRYING to protect her daughter and get get "PARENTS" thinking about their own children,
Do filters to block porn on school computers work?
Humble ISD officials say they're aware students can access material over the Internet that is inappropriate for school age children.That's why they take steps to prevent it.
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[b]REALLY GOOD comments/REPLIES by "SOME"that saw the problem this woman & many parents were/are going through,
and I AM NOT trying force anyone to see right or wrong,[b]it is not MY moral and/or religious intolerance on anybody, the post was ABOUT a parent TRYING to protect her daughter and get get "PARENTS" thinking about their own children,[b]
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Mchart
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It's allready difficult reading your posts. Loose the bold and font size changes. | |
heels_fan
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Jazzy I was replying to you when you said,
said by whocares :those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornography kinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you..auty or BEST in people And
said by whocares :IF you don't want to read or discuss the issue thats fine,& you don't care about how or what your kid becomes, but MAYBE,just MAYBE,the post WILL cause other parents to teach their child or children right from wrong,porn is like cigarettes or drugs,you have to talk to your children about them & teach them its wrong Those feelings are not expressed by all here. You should not tell someone what or how to think.
I am not saying that it is wrong or right, but you should always remember your way of thinking is not like everybody else's.
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| Those feelings are not expressed by all here. You should not tell someone what or how to think.
I am not saying that it is wrong or right, but you should always remember your way of thinking is not like everybody else's.
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those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornography
kinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you..
the post was ABOUT a parent TRYING to protect her daughter and get get "PARENTS" thinking about their own children,
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Dear lady,
After reading your posts over and over again, It looks like you are the one having problems with sex and porn - not your children/daughter. Although personally I do admire parents wanting the best for their offspring and in principal that does include you: please consider professional counceling on this subject. You would do both yourself as well as your children/daughter a tremendous favor.
I sincerely do hope and wish with good help all ends well. | |
heels_fan
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said by whocares :Those feelings are not expressed by all here. You should not tell someone what or how to think. I am not saying that it is wrong or right, but you should always remember your way of thinking is not like everybody else's. ============================================== those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornography kinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you.. the post was ABOUT a parent TRYING to protect her daughter and get get "PARENTS" thinking about their own children, If that is the case Jazzy, do not inject your personal feelings about pornography!!
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said by heels_fan :Jazzy I was replying to you when you said, said by whocares :those that enjoy looking at pornography,do not & CANNOT see anything wrong with pornography kinda like telling someone using hard drugs,thats its bad for you..auty or BEST in people And said by whocares :IF you don't want to read or discuss the issue thats fine,& you don't care about how or what your kid becomes, but MAYBE,just MAYBE,the post WILL cause other parents to teach their child or children right from wrong,porn is like cigarettes or drugs,you have to talk to your children about them & teach them its wrong Those feelings are not expressed by all here. You should not tell someone what or how to think. I am not saying that it is wrong or right, but you should always remember your way of thinking is not like everybody else's. Yup..it's getting hard for kids at school now days getting it 'both ways' from people who not only want to control what they think..but also what they say.
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