jhankins
join:2007-04-10
Vancouver, WA | reply to AnClar
Re: haha
All of the voip modems locked by Vonage are already being unlocked without Vonage's help. Search the web, I have a few router/voip modem Linksys units I've opened and used elsewhere. |
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terogers
join:2003-12-19
Glenolden, PA | reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: Vonage is just the first!!!
Well, technically speaking SCO had Bill Gates' money to back them up, for a while. Verizon isn't Gates, but SCO is no Verizon without him. |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI | reply to priller
Your right.. Seen some postings that SR and others are next.. just the tip of the berg.  Never had any use for VoIP. After 2 attempts.. it's failed miserably. |
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Goober
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Naperville, IL
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1 edit | reply to TheBigCheese
Yup. Basic patent law statute. The patent holder has the right to exclude others from making, using, selling or importing the patented item.
Typically, the user or buyer has an IP indemnification clause in the buying agreement when it purchases the parts. So, it's usually not terribly expensive for the user to take care of the matter. But, it's enough of an inconvenience to the buyer as to tick them off regarding the seller. So, the seller risks losing the customer's business as to the infringed part as well as any other things it buys from the seller. |
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TheBigCheese
join:2002-08-05
Voorhees, NJ
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said by dcurrey  :If Vonage is using off the shelf hardware and Open source shouldn't Verizion be going after them not Vonage. Would that not be the equivalent of Company Y saying they have the patents on Gas Caps used in GM trucks then suing UPS for violating the patent. When in fact GM was a fault. (note: I don't know if UPS uses GM trucks or not just an example.) This is exactly what happens in many patent infringement cases. The law allows the patent holder to go after anyone using the patented idea even users. They will usually sue the users with the deepest pockets. |
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Goober
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Naperville, IL
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| reply to KrK
Re: haha
I don't see the injustice here. Litigation will eventually bring out more facts on which the ultimate resolution will be based. That's why we have the court system.
It's too early to say whether there was injustice. It's not an automatic that the little guy is not culpable. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| reply to Goober
IP is a constitutional right. Injustice isn't. I'm sure the founding fathers would be shocked at how far people have allowed our Government and civic duties to go off-track.
You see they had this idea that people would run for office, and that the voters would diligently make choices and vote for people that represent their positions and interests, and so you'd get a nice balance. The idea of a 2 party system would seem impossible to them. Then the people would pay attention to the workings of Government, and if the elected representatives failed at their duty or their performance was lacking, they'd be voted out quickly.
Like most great theories, it turns out while being a great idea it didn't quite work out that way in practice. And it's not their fault. It's ours. It was supposed to be the job of the citizenry to police the Government and get rid of bad politcians, laws, judges, officials, etc.
... but we don't.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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Goober
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| reply to KrK
You should probably take it up with the founding fathers then. IP is a constitutional right.
Article I, section 8, the U.S. Constitution:
Congress shall have power . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| reply to brianiscool
said by brianiscool :Goodbye Vonage. Now I get to taunt my friend about him saying they are the best. How lame. This is how so much of the so-called "Free Market" works in the USA these days.
Can't beat the competition with price, customer service, quality, or by offering what customers want? Use your big business corporate clout to unleash a barrage of lawyers to file lawsuits and use heavy Government lobbying to nuke your competition from being even allowed to exist.
Hoo-ray. NOT. Another lose-lose for consumers.
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pandora
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join:2001-06-01
Outland
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| reply to Goober
Re: Vonage is just the first!!!
said by Goober :Unfortunately, my work firewall blocks access to that site. If I recall though, wasn't the early N2P more of a PC to PC calling system? It was PC to phone network. I used it early on when it was free to make some long distance calls to friends with POTS. Quality wasn't great, and there was too long a lag. However, it was VOIP without any doubt.
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Goober
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | reply to pandora
Unfortunately, my work firewall blocks access to that site. If I recall though, wasn't the early N2P more of a PC to PC calling system? |
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pandora
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| reply to Goober
said by Goober :The thing is, a lot of these patent were filed 10 or so years ago. I can't recall the VOIP landscape back then. I know there were a few companies like Net2Phone that were messing around in that space several years ago, but was it prior to VZ's filings? According to the Net2Phone about page, they've been in business doing VOIP since 1996.
»www.net2phone.com/about/
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"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." |
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flawlessly
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join:2004-02-09
USA
clubs: | reply to brianiscool
I can't think of those paid for the service and got screwed.
It was like $100 for a year and a little more for two years of service, now, they are going to close and you people screwed. BIG TIME!
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Goober
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | reply to AJICQ499087
Re: Vonage is just the first!!!
Congress makes the patent laws. The intent explicitly is to grant a monopoly.
On the other hand, ocassionally compulsory licenses will be required. |
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AJICQ499087
join:2001-12-01
Louisville, KY
| reply to hayabusa3303
said by hayabusa3303 :said by AJICQ499087 :I doubt Congress will allow the courts to let Verizon's patent tricks kill off every VoIP company. Want to make a bet. Telco's lobby You mean you think Verizon will be the only company allowed to provide VoIP? That would mean no other telephone, cable or any other company could provide VoIP. It would be a court ordered monopoly given to Verizon. There is no way Congress would let that happen.
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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join:2005-06-29
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| reply to AJICQ499087
said by AJICQ499087 :I doubt Congress will allow the courts to let Verizon's patent tricks kill off every VoIP company. Want to make a bet. Telco's lobby |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to nixen
sco is dead , but the ripple it caused in the linux / unix world was heard.
Just like sco verizon may have a bad case but they have the money to back it up.
This if it goes mainstream will be a scare tactic to some business that was looking to migrate.
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nanoflower
join:2002-07-14
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They definitely won't have much luck against the cable companies. The major providers are using solutions that are based on Texas Instruments or Broadcom solutions so they have huge patent portfolios that they could use against Verizon. At worst they come to an accomodation that the cross licenses the patents that Verizon claims to have. At best the Verizon patents get revoked. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| reply to priller
Wow, looks like it's "Your mom's box" for Vonage.
I liked the service when I first got it. Had some problems towards the end. Overall, I thought it was a good value for someone who actually used the phone a lot. Since I work 2 jobs, it made no sense for me.
I'm neither dancing on Vonage's grave, nor feeling sorry for them.
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sitrix
join:2002-04-15
Tacoma, WA | reply to dcurrey
Verizon will, they just needed a win against a known company to reinforce their case...  |
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