Name Game
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Re: Latest Comodo BoClean Information
said by dadkins  :Yes friend! I know how BOC (is supposed to) work. NO ONE, for any reason gets me to kill my AV. LOL! My point is, having BOC sitting there doing - nothing, is a waste! It is! I have read MANY posts here at DSLR about BOC pouncing on whatever and saving someone from certain disaster. Ok, cool! Well, something must be wrong from the start if BOC ever gets to *SEE* the malware. That means, something FAILED in preventing the malware form getting on the machine. BOC only sees something if it is running in memory, right? Who dropped the ball and allowed ??? on the machine? No amount of me clicking on every freakin link I see has made BOC do - anything! No! My machine(s) are NOT locked down! I do NOT have stuff disabled - ANY of it! I run as Administrator at all times. I have ALWAYS ran as Administrator. Can anyone here explain how I(and many others) have ran this way for years without BOC and no infections? Naw, didn't think ya could...   you sure do have fun
»www.outpostfirewall.com/forum/sh···&t=20173
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2 edits | Right!
Thank you Name Game!
I like my Agnitum Outpost Firewall PRO!
I tried Agnitum's new baby, Outpost Security Suite PRO...
It Sucked Ass!
I had NO PROBLEM telling them that it sucked!
REMEMBER, this is a company that I like!
Something about "Keepin it Real" comes to mind, huh?
Y'all should try things from other points of view from time to time... it's really enlightening! 
YMMV.
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1 edit | How on earth did you even get a file like leaktest or Netbus even downloaded to yer PC...why your Suite or AVAST must have stopped it dead in it tracks before the first 2 bits hit your sandboxie.. and then swept it out the door of your router. Keep that up and your IPS will come after you for backing up the big pipes and charge you for a plumber.
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Ryan
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said by dadkins :Yes friend! I know how BOC (is supposed to) work. NO ONE, for any reason gets me to kill my AV. LOL! My point is, having BOC sitting there doing - nothing, is a waste! It is! I have read MANY posts here at DSLR about BOC pouncing on whatever and saving someone from certain disaster. Ok, cool! Well, something must be wrong from the start if BOC ever gets to *SEE* the malware. That means, something FAILED in preventing the malware form getting on the machine. BOC only sees something if it is running in memory, right? Who dropped the ball and allowed ??? on the machine? No amount of me clicking on every freakin link I see has made BOC do - anything! No! My machine(s) are NOT locked down! I do NOT have stuff disabled - ANY of it! I run as Administrator at all times. I have ALWAYS ran as Administrator. Can anyone here explain how I(and many others) have ran this way for years without BOC and no infections? Naw, didn't think ya could... Dadkins it completely depends on your browsing habits. Many users tend to get infected from social networking sites and p2p software which have constantly updated threats which can sometimes slip by your av. The whole point is that you have that extra layer of protection for when it does slip by it. No AV is 100% especially with detecting trojans. I agree with you that you dont need boclean or any AT, and I dont personally need it either, but peoples whose browsing habits are not up to par do need it especially with all the variants and packers/creators. Also how do you expect to test boclean without disabling your av maybe on a test machine or at least without getting the latest trojans of warez or p2p or social networking sites. |
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dadkins
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Thanks Again Name Game!
You see, all the BS about BOC and NetBus... well, I DID have a hell of a time with NetBus making it here for me to test.
That Damned AV I have running, huh?
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Name Game
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| said by dadkins :Thanks Again Name Game! You see, all the BS about BOC and NetBus... well, I DID have a hell of a time with NetBus making it here for me to test. That Damned AV I have running, huh? No wonder Comcast is having so much trouble..you are stacking up all those NetBus electrons on the big pipe and slowing the whole shebang for the rest of the customers..don't deny it now..you cant convince me otherwise. 
»www.boston.com/business/personal···g_users/
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said by Ryan :Dadkins it completely depends on your browsing habits. Many users tend to get infected from social networking sites and p2p software which have constantly updated threats which can sometimes slip by your av. The whole point is that you have that extra layer of protection for when it does slip by it. No AV is 100% especially with detecting trojans. I agree with you that you dont need boclean or any AT, and I dont personally need it either, but peoples whose browsing habits are not up to par do need it especially with all the variants and packers/creators. Also how do you expect to test boclean without disabling your av maybe on a test machine or at least without getting the latest trojans of warez or p2p or social networking sites. Look friend, the WHOLE point about all the people here turfing BOC is that even with an AV, shit gets by, right?
Ok, well, crunch these numbers if you would.
I *DO* use P2P!
I download from... where ever! Whomever!
I surf to "Less Than Friendly" sites daily... for kicks!
I surf all kinds of pr0n sites. Sue me!
So, I am supposed to kill my AV and allow BOC to protect me?
BS!
Y'all are missing a very important point here, AVs are now detecting trojans, keyloggers, worms... all kinds of "bad stuff".
So, what is BOC?
It started as an AT, right?
Is that all it is now? No!
Why?
Ok, fine!
Lets look at KAV.
With Extended Bases.
Is it merely looking for - viruses? No.
It's looking for all kinds of nasties, huh?
Why?
Ok, fine!
Let's look at sheer "numbers" of detected *bad guys*.
What is the current count for BOC?
278,xxx?
Cool!
Ok, let's look at... AVG/Ewido.
745,xxx.
Hmmm...
What sets BOC apart from *ANY* other resident?
All y'alls claims? That's not enough for some of us!
Is it better than... TH Guard?
The Cleaner?
a-squared?
AVG/Ewido?
{Insert Resident Here}________________?
If yes, how?
What makes BOC so superior?
REAL explanation please, no BS spin job.
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DAMN! I'm just KILLING the network, huh? :-D |
said by Name Game :said by dadkins :Thanks Again Name Game! You see, all the BS about BOC and NetBus... well, I DID have a hell of a time with NetBus making it here for me to test. That Damned AV I have running, huh? No wonder Comcast is having so much trouble..you are stacking up all those NetBus electrons on the big pipe and slowing the whole shebang for the rest of the customers..don't deny it now..you cant convince me otherwise. » www.boston.com/business/personal···g_users/ LMAO! Now THAT is funny!
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dadkins
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Well, y'all have fun with this!
I have to go to BestBuy and get something(BD time!).
I'll keep waiting for BOC to do... something. LOL!
Ya know, back when I had Giant... at least it did something!
Now, could it be that the AV companies have stepped it up and residents just don't get a chance anymore, or are the residents(including BOC) just not all that people claim any longer?
Hmmm...
AL well!
Thanks people!
Happy Downloading! 
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Name Game
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I'am gonna tell 
BTW- don't ever take a txt file..put bubble gum in it..then rename it netbus.exe and mail it to yourself..AVAST will start chewing on it and bust the bubble. then you will have to start using patch.exe.
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richter35
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*Yawn*
This little gem is so overrated, IMO. It does nothing special and yet it lacks a lot of things competition has been offering for quite some time.
It took them a month to insert a logo (which I personally don't like and would be better off without it)? Yes, they are updating infrastructure and it could be updating from new servers and all that. I get it. I just don't see what possibly would have to be changed for software which had no serial protection of whatever kind...so inserting logo almost doubles installation file?
Earlier I read that a guy got infected because he disabled BOC, then it was KAV's fault because it did not remove infection properly...Isn't BOC's MAIN marketing hype compatibility with 3rd party software and the fact that it acts BEFORE your antivirus? If KAV detected infection after guy got infected, then it would most likely kill it before it happened (as it had signatures), and how could KAV mess things up if everyone here said millions of times that it catches stuff before antivirus?
I can understand how this can be extra protection for those who are careless, but I just don't dig that „private club“ thing, that it's better than others and all that. We've no evidence and it's certainly nothing special. Detection rate, performance, features...it is behind competition (at this moment). See no advantage of using it at all as most decent antivirus got you covered well that it will get rid of things before BOC has a chance to remove infection in memory. Besides, noone can really tell how good it performs against others. The only thing now that will be said is: it's free. If you don't like it, don't use it. Which means that you can't say anything negative because you didn't pay for it. |
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Don Pelotas
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said by dadkins :Yes friend! I know how BOC (is supposed to) work. NO ONE, for any reason gets me to kill my AV. LOL!
My point is, having BOC sitting there doing - nothing, is a waste!
It is!
I have read MANY posts here at DSLR about BOC pouncing on whatever and saving someone from certain disaster. Ok, cool! Well, something must be wrong from the start if BOC ever gets to *SEE* the malware. That means, something FAILED in preventing the malware form getting on the machine. BOC only sees something if it is running in memory, right? Who dropped the ball and allowed ??? on the machine? No amount of me clicking on every freakin link I see has made BOC do - anything! No! My machine(s) are NOT locked down! I do NOT have stuff disabled - ANY of it! I run as Administrator at all times. I have ALWAYS ran as Administrator. Can anyone here explain how I(and many others) have ran this way for years without BOC and no infections? Naw, didn't think ya could... Actually it's the point of layered defense, David, your AV should do the majority of the work and only when this fails should whatever extra you use step in.
Don't get me wrong, i do not have the high opinion of BOClean that some have because i have seen it been shutdown by malware after telling me the malware is killed too many times.... so i do not trust it longer than i can throw it, but the point of layered defense is that it should step in after the AV fails and if AV handles everything...................then great IMHO, but you can't fault an AT/AS etc for not detecting what your AV has already nailed. |
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Name Game
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Isn't BOC's MAIN marketing hype compatibility with 3rd party software and the fact that it acts BEFORE your antivirus?
Just the opposite.. it acts when stuff tries to load in the memory..but the 'hype' you are talking about comes from people who have no idea even how their own AV works or when it loads or even what kind of engines their particular AV is ruinning in its real time detection mode.
To get an idea on what does happen..you can read this 3 year old write up
»www.anti-trojan-software-reviews···lean.htm
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said by richter35 :*Yawn* This little gem is so overrated, IMO. It does nothing special and yet it lacks a lot of things competition has been offering for quite some time. It took them a month to insert a logo (which I personally don't like and would be better off without it)? Yes, they are updating infrastructure and it could be updating from new servers and all that. I get it. I just don't see what possibly would have to be changed for software which had no serial protection of whatever kind...so inserting logo almost doubles installation file? Earlier I read that a guy got infected because he disabled BOC, then it was KAV's fault because it did not remove infection properly...Isn't BOC's MAIN marketing hype compatibility with 3rd party software and the fact that it acts BEFORE your antivirus? If KAV detected infection after guy got infected, then it would most likely kill it before it happened (as it had signatures), and how could KAV mess things up if everyone here said millions of times that it catches stuff before antivirus? I can understand how this can be extra protection for those who are careless, but I just don't dig that „private club“ thing, that it's better than others and all that. We've no evidence and it's certainly nothing special. Detection rate, performance, features...it is behind competition (at this moment). See no advantage of using it at all as most decent antivirus got you covered well that it will get rid of things before BOC has a chance to remove infection in memory. Besides, noone can really tell how good it performs against others. The only thing now that will be said is: it's free. If you don't like it, don't use it. Which means that you can't say anything negative because you didn't pay for it. Well put!
Thanks richter35!
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Thanks Don, I know this.
But if you have ever read some of the posts here from certain BOC users, seeing that I have it on my A Series laptop, my lawn should be greener and weed free!
Well, it just aint so!
*IF* I were to use a Resident anti-malware, BOC would not be it!
I call 'em as I see 'em...
BOC aint all that! 
Layers, ok, when do the layers become silly?
Av, AT, BOC, AVG/Ewido, Hosts, ProcessGuard, Proxomitron, WinPatrol, SpywareBlaster, SpyBot S&D TeaTimer, AdAware AdWatch... say when!
Where do *WE* draw the line?
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Where do *WE* draw the line?
Don't know about "WE". Do suggest you draw the line here and now. Yawn...your amateurish postings are so boring. So you don't fancy software X, right? Pick a different one and move on. It's as simple as that. |
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dadkins
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Where do *WE* draw the line?
Don't know about "WE". Do suggest you draw the line here and now. Yawn...your amateurish postings are so boring. So you don't fancy software X, right? Pick a different one and move on. It's as simple as that. Anon?
LOL!
Speaking of move on...
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Don Pelotas
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Re: Latest Comodo BoClean Information
said by dadkins :Thanks Don, I know this. But if you have ever read some of the posts here from certain BOC users, seeing that I have it on my A Series laptop, my lawn should be greener and weed free! Well, it just aint so! *IF* I were to use a Resident anti-malware, BOC would not be it! I call 'em as I see 'em... BOC aint all that! Layers, ok, when do the layers become silly? Av, AT, BOC, AVG/Ewido, Hosts, ProcessGuard, Proxomitron, WinPatrol, SpywareBlaster, SpyBot S&D TeaTimer, AdAware AdWatch... say when! Where do *WE* draw the line? I don't know where you draw the line, David, i only use a few tools at any given time, but have licenses for many simply because i have an interest in this. If it's any consolation for you BOClean would not be it either anymore for me, but i hope improvements is in the pipeline for those many that will now install it because it's free.
For most surfers an AV is enough still despite the doomsday tone sometimes, for others the apps you mention might not be enough!
I say it's up to the individual user what combination he/she prefers. |
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2 edits | Thank You Don!
A voice of reason... refreshing!
Yeah, I have licenses for ALL kinds of applications as well.
Most are collecting dust now though.
I scan with a "few" weekly - for the hell of it.
None of them ever find anything other than cookies...
Since I seem to never get "nasties" stored on the machines, something other than my AV running as resident looking for something to ru is... a waste of time and resources.
I have several I *could* run, but why?
No one has ever given me a clear reason as to why BOC is the best.
All I ever get is BS and double talk.
Well, you know what they say about BS.
Well, cookies are harmless. If "x" wishes to remove a few(dozen) cookies cool! I'l get more! LOL!
Currently, 890 cookies on this new laptop... no telling how many on my A Series laptop!
*I* am not worried about cookies, Ya know? |
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