Re: Dead end in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18179972 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:49:10 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:49:10 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18183551 Dezbend : I believe the Embarq numbers are correct.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18183551 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:49:11 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18182076 anon : They have alot of free customers also... I wonder what those numbers are, its probably a pretty large number.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18182076 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:50:06 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18181544 hottboiinnc : AOL offers an unlimited account as well. just limited Tech support.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18181544 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:22:48 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18181531 roamer1 :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

NetZero = United Online, by the way.
and PeoplePC = Earthlink

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I knew AOL was losing subscribers quickly, but a 2 million drop in 1 qtr says AOL is bleeding so quickly that by this time next year they will be down to 3rd or 4th on the list.

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Which is actually their goal.
AOL decide to reconfigure themselves as portal/web service, and elimnate/reduce their presence as a as a dialup provider/broadband reseller. For them the cost of POP's and tech support was becoming increasingly expensive/unprofitable. They believe the profit is in the web presence/associeted advertising/ and extra services (AOL TV, AOL music, etc.)
By that measure they had a very sucessful quarter in downsizing their paid subscriber base.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18180443 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:00:33 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18180080 d_l : They didn't/couldn't count the AT&T Worldnet accounts, either dial up or DSL, in the SBC totals. SBC only reports their broadband totals. I suspect that there are at least 100 to 300K Worldnet subscribers after deducting the BYOA accounts.

Bellsouth had 3.6M DSL lines at the end of '06 according to the AT&T Q4 conference call.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18180080 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:48:33 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18180048 TKJunkMail :
said by carpdiem See Profile :

Why would people use a back up dial up at $9.95 with another ISP when with DSL (through AT&T at least) you get unlimited dial access?
For my sister, that isn't a backup internet access. That is her primary access from home.

If she needs fast access, she uses the computers at the school where she teaches.
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They've also used the Q3 SBC number there instead of their Q4, and something is wrong with the Embarq number, too. The whole thing seems kind of sloppy.

BS's three million plus subscriber base is not counted here since they did not report, says so right there on the page. If you add those to SBC's they're neck-and-neck with Comcast.
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Wouldn't Bellsouth's numbers be counted as AT&Ts?
Not yet. Doc is right, they don't include BellSouth's yet. I assume it's something regulatory in nature until all the I's are dotted. I think with them, AT&T is the largest ISP. Not sure if they surpass AOL though. I think they might.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179817 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:01:41 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179731 Jason Levine : And if you look at where they were in Q4 2005, you'll see that they've lost almost 6.3 million subscribers in the past year. In that time, Comcast added 2 million.

Back in May of last year, I made a prediction that in 3 years AOL would no longer be the biggest ISP anymore. I would like to revise that prediction. I think AOL will fall from the #1 spot by Q2 of this year. Q3 at the latest. (There's even a good chance that the Q1 results will show them to be in the #2 spot.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179731 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:46:15 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179685 TKJunkMail :
said by BF69 See Profile :

$25 a month for a back-up ISP?
AOL does offer a limited hours $9.95/mo plan. My sister uses it.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Many of those AOL folks are probably using it for backup or on -the-road access and are double-counted with a broadband ISP which does not offer such dialup access as a perk (most cable ISPs, for instance).
Good point. There is another chart that tries to account for double counting because of AOL's BYOA and because some AOL users access the internet thru cable and telco providers.

We try not to count any subscriber twice. For example, a subscriber to EarthLink DSL may also be counted in Covad's DSL numbers and in the ILEC's DSL numbers as well. We therefore do not count EarthLink and Covad broadband towards our total.

We assume that 20 percent of AOL's subscriber base obtains access through another ISP, either as BYOA, or in a more traditional broadband arrangement. As AOL and Road Runner work together more and more, we expect the subscriber bases to overlap more than they do today, and hope that AOL, which is very good about disclosure, will reveal the extent of the subscriber overlap.

This leaves us with the following unique subscriber numbers: [att=1]

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179681 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:36:39 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179660 BF69 :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

According to their methodology blurb they didn't count BellSouth,
Wouldn't Bellsouth's numbers be counted as AT&Ts?

Many of those AOL folks are probably using it for backup or on -the-road access and are double-counted with a broadband ISP which does not offer such dialup access as a perk (most cable ISPs, for instance).
$25 a month for a back-up ISP?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179660 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:33:52 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179641 RadioDoc : According to their methodology blurb they didn't count BellSouth, either, since BS didn't report. It doesn't look like BS's numbers are in the SBC numbers. Hard to tell since they did not gather the information themselves and make a lot of assumptions about it.

NetZero = United Online, by the way.

Many of those AOL folks are probably using it for backup or on -the-road access and are double-counted with a broadband ISP which does not offer such dialup access as a perk (most cable ISPs, for instance).
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I knew AOL was losing subscribers quickly, but a 2 million drop in 1 qtr says AOL is bleeding so quickly that by this time next year they will be down to 3rd or 4th on the list.

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I can't beleive that 13 million people still overpay for AOL. Looking at that link I don't see NetZero on that list so they have less than 100,000 customers same with PeoplePC. They spend a lot on advertising for so few customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179603 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:19:46 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179522 brianiscool : Fix the clot! Fix the clot! CLEAR lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179522 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:02:02 EDT Re: Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179402 TKJunkMail : I knew AOL was losing subscribers quickly, but a 2 million drop in 1 qtr says AOL is bleeding so quickly that by this time next year they will be down to 3rd or 4th on the list.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179402 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:33:45 EDT Dead end http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179372 brianiscool : Just give it a couple more years and AOL will just be a web portal and no longer an ISP. Comcast will continue to grow until they are stuck at their cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179372 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:26:41 EDT