Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18185139 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:13:55 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:13:55 EDT Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18187486 brianiscool : The talent is in top artist making the big bucks. The people are not famous are the ones with the worst music. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18187486 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:39:08 EDT Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18187037 RadioDoc : If anyone is interested, here is a description of what the court did, authored by the attorney representing the webcasters...

»www.broadcastlawblog.com/archive···als.html

Of particular interest is this little bit:

"It also did not even address the issue raised by the Broadcasters, pointing to the fact that SoundExchange had offered an expert witness in the satellite radio proceeding who contradicted the expert witness offered by SoundExchange in this case - the expert on whose testimony the CRB decision was based."
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said by Maxo See Profile :

said by nixen See Profile :

I wouldn't necessarily characterize either independent or RIAA content as inherently good or bad.
It's not inherently good or bad, but it does happen that most good music that I hear today is coming from the independent scene.
While that may be anecdotally true, you also need to factor in all of the truly horrid artists that are independent because they either haven't matured to the point of being of label interest or are just hacks that will *never* be good enough for you to ever hear and be artistically offended by.
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said by nixen See Profile :

I wouldn't necessarily characterize either independent or RIAA content as inherently good or bad.
It's not inherently good or bad, but it does happen that most good music that I hear today is coming from the independent scene.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18186633 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:07:04 EDT Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18186604 nixen :
said by Maxo See Profile :

said by brianiscool See Profile :

Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol
Most of the good music being produced today is not on RIAA contract.
I wouldn't necessarily characterize either independent or RIAA content as inherently good or bad. Where the independent might have an edge over RIAA-represented content would potentially be artistry and originality.
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said by hescominsoon See Profile :

yes..if the content is not licensed by the loons then there's no royalties.
I dunno... Given the whole Nine In Nails thing, where it was the artist giving away their own music with their label's knowledge, the RIAA still beefed. So, it's not hard to imagine the RIAA trying to shut them down "on behalf of under-represented artists".
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I remember a time when royalties were based on a percentage of your profits and not per unit sales. Copyright law is definitely being twisted to support the exact thing the law was made to protect. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18186471 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:35:59 EDT Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18186189 richardpor :
said by tapeloop See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Gee thanks... now I can't get the song "Mexican Radio" out of my head... I guess I owe the RIAA a million bucks :)
Just have some barbecue iguana. You'll be okay. :)
in Tijuana]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18186189 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:41:51 EDT Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18185392 pnh102 :
said by tapeloop See Profile :

Just have some barbecue iguana. You'll be okay. :)
Dude... that's just SICK!
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Gee thanks... now I can't get the song "Mexican Radio" out of my head... I guess I owe the RIAA a million bucks :)
Just have some barbecue iguana. You'll be okay. :)
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said by Kearnstd See Profile :

goto another country, stay on the air and give the RIAA the finger.
Gee thanks... now I can't get the song "Mexican Radio" out of my head... I guess I owe the RIAA a million bucks :)
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go off the air
stay on the air and get cashraped by the Record Mafia
Stay on the air and give the RIAA the finger.
goto another country, stay on the air and give the RIAA the finger.
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Mastadon (Another RIAA label)
TMBG (RIAA label)
Genghis Tron (Non-RIAA)

I'm not helping my case any.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18185283 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:54:00 EDT Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18185244 Derspankster :
said by Maxo See Profile :

said by brianiscool See Profile :

Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol
Most of the good music being produced today is not on RIAA contract.
There is good music being produced today?
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said by brianiscool See Profile :

Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol
Most of the good music being produced today is not on RIAA contract.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18185163 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:31:13 EDT Re: Can Decision Be Bypassed? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18185159 pnh102 :
said by brianiscool See Profile :

Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol
There are plenty of other formats besides music which a for-profit online radio station could consider. Or, if the previous poster is correct about the RIAA member companies not having jurisdiction over material owned by non-RIAA members, they could simply play that instead. Of course, that implies that each station would need to make some sort of arrangements with the owners of that material instead.
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