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<description><![CDATA[brianiscool posted : The talent is in top artist making the big bucks. The people are not famous are the ones with the worst music. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[RadioDoc posted : If anyone is interested, here is a description of what the court did, authored by the attorney representing the webcasters...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/archives/internet-radio-copyright-royalty-board-denies-rehearing-motions-next-stop-court-of-appeals.html" >www.broadcastlawblog.com/archive&middot;&middot;&middot;als.html</A><br><br>Of particular interest is this little bit:<br><br>"It also did not even address the issue raised by the Broadcasters, pointing to the fact that SoundExchange had offered an expert witness in the satellite radio proceeding who contradicted the expert witness offered by SoundExchange in this case - the expert on whose testimony the CRB decision was based."<br><SMALL>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:19:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Maxo posted : I think we are arguing two different things.  I'm not saying that independent music has a higher percentage of talent.  I am saying that a higher percentage of the talent lies in the independent scene.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:42:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[nixen posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/715380" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=715380');">Maxo</a>:</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/698757" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=698757');">nixen</a>:</SMALL><br><br>I wouldn't necessarily characterize either independent or RIAA content as inherently good or bad.</DIV>It's not inherently good or bad, but it does happen that most good music that I hear today is coming from the independent scene.<br> </DIV>While that may be anecdotally true, you also need to factor in all of the truly horrid artists that are independent because they either haven't matured to the point of being of label interest or are just hacks that will *never* be good enough for you to ever hear and be artistically offended by.<br><SMALL>--<br>Everyday, thousands of new cars are delivered to their new owners with poorly-selected radio station presets.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:30:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Maxo posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/698757" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=698757');">nixen</a>:</SMALL><br><br>I wouldn't necessarily characterize either independent or RIAA content as inherently good or bad.</DIV>It's not inherently good or bad, but it does happen that most good music that I hear today is coming from the independent scene.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:07:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[nixen posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/715380" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=715380');">Maxo</a>:</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/186811" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=186811');">brianiscool</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol</DIV>Most of the good music being produced today is not on RIAA contract.<br> </DIV>I wouldn't necessarily characterize either independent or RIAA content as inherently good or bad. Where the independent might have an edge over RIAA-represented content would potentially be artistry and originality.<br><SMALL>--<br>Everyday, thousands of new cars are delivered to their new owners with poorly-selected radio station presets.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:02:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[nixen posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/772673" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=772673');">hescominsoon</a>:</SMALL><br><br>yes..if the content is not licensed by the loons then there's no royalties.<br> </DIV>I dunno... Given the whole Nine In Nails thing, where it was the artist giving away their own music with their label's knowledge, the RIAA still beefed. So, it's not hard to imagine the RIAA trying to shut them down "on behalf of under-represented artists".<br><SMALL>--<br>Everyday, thousands of new cars are delivered to their new owners with poorly-selected radio station presets.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:00:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[SRFireside posted : There is always the Appeals Court as an option. There is a slight chance this decision can be overturned. If not then you have congress. Time Warner is one of the big boys who doesn't want this to happen. Maybe that along with enough letters to your congressman may help change royalty rate laws. <br><br>I remember a time when royalties were based on a percentage of your profits and not per unit sales. Copyright law is definitely being twisted to support the exact thing the law was made to protect. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:35:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[richardpor posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/1031550" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1031550');">tapeloop</a>:</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/625141" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=625141');">pnh102</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Gee thanks... now I can't get the song "Mexican Radio" out of my head... I guess I owe the RIAA a million bucks :)<br> </DIV>Just have some barbecue iguana.  You'll be okay. :)<br> </DIV>in Tijuana]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:41:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[pnh102 posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/1031550" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1031550');">tapeloop</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Just have some barbecue iguana.  You'll be okay. :)<br> </DIV>Dude... that's just SICK!<br><SMALL>--<br>Only SHATNER is Kirk.</SMALL><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18185392?c=1153004&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODE4NjYzMy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="827 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=109 HEIGHT=46 SRC="/r0/download/1153004~4a301072dec6b6a49050e5b294cd7983/avatar.png"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:15:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[tapeloop posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/625141" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=625141');">pnh102</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Gee thanks... now I can't get the song "Mexican Radio" out of my head... I guess I owe the RIAA a million bucks :)<br> </DIV>Just have some barbecue iguana.  You'll be okay. :)<br><SMALL>--<br>I cannot stand demagoguery.  If you disagree with my stance, you're a blithering twit. You're not a twit, are you?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:09:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : only if you stream your head to one listener will it be as cheap as a million bucks.<br><SMALL>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:01:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[pnh102 posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/567879" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=567879');">Kearnstd</a>:</SMALL><br><br>goto another country, stay on the air and give the RIAA the finger. </DIV>Gee thanks... now I can't get the song "Mexican Radio" out of my head... I guess I owe the RIAA a million bucks :)<br><SMALL>--<br>Only SHATNER is Kirk.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:58:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : well they basicly have four choices.<br><br>go off the air<br>stay on the air and get cashraped by the Record Mafia<br>Stay on the air and give the RIAA the finger.<br>goto another country, stay on the air and give the RIAA the finger.<br><SMALL>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:57:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Maxo posted : Dragonforce (RIAA label I believe)<br>Mastadon (Another RIAA label)<br>TMBG (RIAA label)<br>Genghis Tron (Non-RIAA)<br><br>I'm not helping my case any.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:54:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Derspankster posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/715380" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=715380');">Maxo</a>:</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/186811" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=186811');">brianiscool</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol</DIV>Most of the good music being produced today is not on RIAA contract.<br> </DIV>There is good music being produced today? <br><SMALL>--<br>I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:46:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Maxo posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/186811" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=186811');">brianiscool</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol</DIV>Most of the good music being produced today is not on RIAA contract.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:31:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[pnh102 posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/186811" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=186811');">brianiscool</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol  </DIV>There are plenty of other formats besides music which a for-profit online radio station could consider.  Or, if the previous poster is correct about the RIAA member companies not having jurisdiction over material owned by non-RIAA members, they could simply play that instead.  Of course, that implies that each station would need to make some sort of arrangements with the owners of that material instead.<br><SMALL>--<br>Only SHATNER is Kirk.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[brianiscool posted : Yeah, but who would want to listen to your radio station? lol ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[hescominsoon posted : yes..if the content is not licensed by the loons then there's no royalties.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[pnh102 posted : If these websites do not play any music owned by RIAA member labels, would they be off the hook from paying these royalties?<br><SMALL>--<br>Only SHATNER is Kirk.</SMALL>]]></description>
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