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Re: Can't you see?
said by phiber  :I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation! Think of the children!
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Man , baby boomers started the divorce rift. Porn became main stream in what the 80's ? Late 70's perhaps ? Yet the divorce rate slowly started creeping up in the late 50's early 60's.
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said by phiber :And then we wonder why the divorce rate is so high compared to 50 years ago... why rape, molestation, and child abuse has sky rocketed, why family values are no longer talked about at the family table, why long and meaningful commitments have been traded for quick, cheap fixes that do not carry any risks...why more than a million abortions occur each year in America Sorry those things existed for THOUSANDS of years before porn. 50-100 years ago victims of rape and child abuse didn't talk about it so they suffered in silence. Doesn't mean there was les of it. You are soooo ignorant.
I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation! Wake up people and open up your eyes.
First of all, PARENTS should be parenting the kids not the government.
Secondly these law will NOT protect children. You're just drinking the kool-aid they are feeding you. You don't like porn then don't view it. Who in the hell are you to dictate how other adults live their lives?
China and Iran ban porn. You think rape and child abuse are less there? You are free to move to either if you want to feel safer. NOW LEAVE!
Funny these groups are form Utah. State of Mormons. You know the religion that belives a man can marry many woman and even teen-age girls. |
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OK.
So how pray tell , do we enforce this on the WORLD WIDE WEB , the law itself would be a US based law ?
I really need this answered ! This could solve the worlds economic issues.
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Hmm.
Divorce
Rape
Child molestation and abuse
Lack of long meaningful relationships
Abortions
And an increase of this is all directly attributable to the availability of porn?
I suppose it couldn't possibly have to do with a general decline of moral values in the country related to numerous other issues. The part I find strange is the fact that in the "Bible Belt"--an area in which I live and presumably the most religious region of the U.S. has divorce rates that are among the highest in the country.
Please cite credible resources that link all of the aforementioned social problems to availability of on-line porn. . .
It's one thing to blame the ills of society on something you may personally object to, but sooner or later, someone's going to ask for indisputable proof of your claims.
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I think he--karlmarx--got turned around trying to follow your inescapable logic... "an enigma, wrapped up in a puzzle, wrapped up in a conundrum" will get'em every time.
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said by moonpuppy :I do support libraries that want to do some filtering but they should be turned off for adults and kids should have a separate area for library internet access. It's all or nothing. Filter or no filter EVERYWHERE.
You can't have it both ways.
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gateguy
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Please provide references to your claims.
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said by manfmmd :[That's part of the problem, with more and more mothers working and not staying home with the kid(s) (with the father working too), there is not the level of supervision that was available 20-50 years ago. The availability of porn is much higher now as well. I think any tool that can be made readily available, should be utilized as we (parents) cannot be there 100% of the time. Public places like Internet Cafe's and Library's should be able to easily filter their traffic... If you don't have the time or money for kids, don't have them. It's really that simple.
I don't want/need a nanny state because people can't figure out birth control.
Tax dollars for people that didn't realize kids need supervision? No thanks. |
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The only other thing that burns my ass is.....a flame about 3 feet high.
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Jason Levine
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said by phiber :And how is creating an .xxx domain forcing legislation? It does not block the content, but rather, it gives parents the ability to block it and protect their kids! And how will the porn sites get on the XXX domain? Some will go of their own volition, but most will likely keep their .com domain name or register .XXX domain names to go with their .com domain names. Without legislation to force them onto it, all .XXX does is give a little more money to the registrars. With legislation, it's still ineffective because most porn sites originate from outside the USA. (US Federal law doesn't apply in China.) |
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said by gateguy :said by moonpuppy :I do support libraries that want to do some filtering but they should be turned off for adults and kids should have a separate area for library internet access. It's all or nothing. Filter or no filter EVERYWHERE. You can't have it both ways. Yes, you can. Libraries won't lend out certain books to minors, why shouldn't they restrict what some minors can see on the internet?
People like you (the all or nothing crowd) are half of the problem in this country. You think compromise is failure. The other half are the people with the directly opposite view of you.  |
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said by BosstonesOwn :OK. So how pray tell , do we enforce this on the WORLD WIDE WEB , the law itself would be a US based law ? And here ladies and gentlemen is the bigger question. Why even bother debating the morality of doing something that is not possible to do? Pron was available long before the Internet, yet when I was much younger I didn't have any problems getting it. We as a society need to let parents parent, not do it for them. I do not want my money wasted like this.
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Jason Levine
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said by phiber :And then we wonder why the divorce rate is so high compared to 50 years ago... why rape, molestation, and child abuse has sky rocketed, why family values are no longer talked about at the family table, why long and meaningful commitments have been traded for quick, cheap fixes that do not carry any risks...why more than a million abortions occur each year in America All of this because of PORN!!!
Seriously, though, if porn has an influence in any of these things, it's minimal. Divorce rates were lower 50 years ago because a woman couldn't survive without being married to a man. Plus, a divorce was harder to obtain back then. Nowadays, a woman is perfectly able to make her own way in the world without a man's help.
In addition, marriage itself has been seen as more temporary and less serious by the past couple of generations. 50+ years ago, you married someone and stayed with them no matter what they did. Nowadays, you can drop by Vegas, get hitched, figure out that you're not compatible, and get divorced all within a couple of days. None of this is thanks to porn.
Rape, molestation and child abuse have sky rocketed because of increased reporting. If a woman was raped 50 years ago, she didn't have much recourse. Getting the rapist arrested and punished was a long shot. Most likely, he'd claim it was consensual, would be believed and she would be looked upon as the town slut. As bad as it seems, it was better for her to keep quiet about it than to risk the public shame.
Nowadays, we've (mostly) gotten over the "she must have been asking for it" syndrome so rapes are more easily reported and prosecuted. Same goes for molestation and child abuse.
As for the decline of the family dinner table and long meaningful commitments, I blame a couple of things (none of which are porn). 1) Rising costs of living force both spouses to work. This means that things are more rushed at home and families have less time for each other. 2) People see celebrities have quickie marriages and even quicker divorces so they start to think that that sort of behavior is normal.
Finally, your abortions stats are a bit off. In 2003, there were just over 850,000 abortions, not the million plus that you claimed. The data that I found only shows back to 1973 (when abortion became legal), but the 1973 number appears to be about 600,000. This, combined with the following quote:
After 1973, legalization of abortion led to an approximately ten-fold increase in the total number of abortions.
leads me to believe that the reason there are so many more abortions today than 50 years ago is that abortion is safe and legal now instead of unsafe and illegal.
said by phiber :I don't understand why so many are against protecting children from the negative consequences and addictiveness of pornography, speaking as if though porn has fantastic and positive repercussions on our generation! Wake up people and open up your eyes. There are good and bad ways of protecting children from seeing things they shouldn't see. Parents can install filters. Parents can talk with their kids (that family values talk you mentioned earlier). Parents can put the computer in the family room instead of in the kid's room. See a pattern? Parents taking action instead of the government trying to legislate actions for everyone to take. |
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| said by Jason Levine :As for the decline of the family dinner table and long meaningful commitments, I blame a couple of things (none of which are porn). 1) Rising costs of living force both spouses to work. This means that things are more rushed at home and families have less time for each other. 2) People see celebrities have quickie marriages and even quicker divorces so they start to think that that sort of behavior is normal. I agree, but would like to add that watching TV during family dinners is not conducive to any type of discussion.
Most Friday and Saturday nights, and occasional holidays, we break out the tray tables and eat in front of the TV. It's a treat.
But the rest of the days, TV is off and we sit together at the table (assuming I can get home in time, which I usually can). Sometimes it's sullen silence as kids grump. Sometimes it's yelling about dumb behaviour that day. Sometimes it's a good laugh about whatever. Sometimes it's a good discussion about world events (my favorite).
I strongly feel that everyone together at the dinner table, conversation or not, is a critical family requirement. The ability to have such dinners may change if the wife has to work and as kids grow older and schedules are all over the place...but I'll sure try to keep it to at least a couple no-TV family dinners a week...
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said by Maxo :[ As a parent I work every day to keep my kids from being exposed to harmful subject materiel. Pornography is hardly the worst thing out there I have to worry about. I spend more time worrying about how to keep my kids from being caught in the overconsumption, McKid mentality. This is a much more harmful battle that needs to be fought more vigorously. Well said.
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It's pretty plain and simple if you ask me. Over the years society has simply been diluted because an increasing number of lower income, undereducated couples continue popping out children left and right. It is these couples that tend to get divorced (if married at all) and/or that have no regard for responsible parenting. Unfortunately it is the higher income, educated couples of society, which tend to practice responsible parenting and get married (or at least stay committed to one another), that are losing the procreation battle. Of course this is a very broad statement, and, yes, I realize that there are some lower income, undereducated couples that do stay together and are responsible parents, but lets not kid ourselves of the general trend here.
My question... what the hell ever happened to only the strong survive? That still seems to be the golden rule in the rest of the animal kingdom. Why the hell is it that the "strong" in our society, in general, feel this incessant need to help the "weak"? I mean really, it is only perpetuating the problems of society and in my opinion will eventually lead to the downfall of modern civilization.
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said by fireflier :It's one thing to blame the ills of society on something you may personally object to, but sooner or later, someone's going to ask for indisputable proof of your claims. Proof??
Not required for Drive-by Posting Snipers....
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Just because you couldn't control the fire in your loins enough to keep from squeezing out rugrats doesn't mean the rest of us should be held accountable for your absentee parenting.
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