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2 edits | Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com I was just contacted by telephone and email by Nicholas Papadopoulos of updated.com regarding a post I made in this thread: [Read this before copying and pasting] on September 29, 2004. He wanted me to delete or edit the post, but that is not possible for such an old post. I am therefore creating this new thread so that he can publicly state his own case. I hope he will take advantage of this opportunity, as I certainly had no intention of falsely maligning either him or updated.com.
The contents of his email to me:
said by Nicholas Papadopoulos :
Hi there,
Are you NetFixer the author of these posts?
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11455660
You have made a statement on a public forum calling me "infamous".
Can you please send me links to the document(s) you read and how it is you verified the validity and accuracy of such statements that made you decide to state that I am "infamous"?
in·fa·mous
–adjective 1. having an extremely bad reputation:
2. deserving of or causing an evil reputation; shamefully malign;
detestable: an infamous deed.
I hope you remove the posts and that this gets resolved in good faith. I am sure you can find other real infamous people to illustrate your arguments and not my name.
Regards,
Nicholas Papadopoulos
email address removed. --WCB!
My email reply to him:
said by NetFixer  :The dslreports.com post you referenced was made on September 29, 2004, and the policy at dslreports.com does not permit me to either edit or delete a post that old. Perhaps you can use the http://www.dslreports.com/contacts link for that web site to see if the site operator can/will edit/remove whatever portions of that thread you find offensive. I will start a new thread in the dslreports.com security forum describing your displeasure, and you will certainly be free to post your own comments in that thread. At the time that post was made, there were a great many postings on numerous web sites related to updated.com not honoring it's obligations to it's pay for click affiliates, and it was also listed on numerous blacklists. Almost three years after that post was made, I can not recall any specific search engine results. If you do a Google or Yahoo! search for the words "updated.com". "scam", and "blacklist" I think that you may still be able to find a few results. I found at that time by doing a whois query on updated.com that the domain name's owner was Nicholas Papadopoulos. That information is currently masked from public view, which I find interesting, but that was not the case in September, 2004. If I have unfairly maligned you, I apologize, but my comments on September 29, 2004 in the dslreports.com security forum were based on a profusion of publicly available information at that time. Royce Shofner AKA NetFixer mailto:dslreports@dcs-net.net --
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Yorba Linda, CA | Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com Isn't "GFY" the proper response here? | |
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| Absolutely Steve, if you want to provoke litigation and have the mental age of a five year old.
One would think that at the very least the events of the past week would make you think twice before needlessly provoking a confrontation that would easily be avoided by using a modicum of tact and diplomacy, somewhat more befitting a consultant I would think than throwing insults around.
NetFixer's response seemed far more mature and a lot less smart-assed. But you're always welcome to try jabbing Papadopooulos a few times in the eye and report back how it turns out for you. | |
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by Blue2 :Absolutely Steve, if you want to provoke litigation and have the mental age of a five year old. Anybody asking somebody to edit a 2-year-old post is just being ridiculous (especially since they can start their own thread), but I suppose I could tone it down and suggest "get lost".
Suggesting that this might lead to litigation is way more than silly.
Steve
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by Steve : Anybody asking somebody to edit a 2-year-old post is just being ridiculous (especially since they can start their own thread), but I suppose I could tone it down and suggest "get lost". Suggesting that this might lead to litigation is way more than silly. Steve
He did not ask to have the post "edited". He asked for it to be removed. There's a difference. One could imagine that he thought (rightly or wrongly) that the post could be considered libelous, slanderous, or calumnious.
slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit... (See: defamation, fair comment)
»legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona···/slander
That is why NetFixer's response was a far more intelligent reply that he was merely quoting what he had read and considered "public knowlege".
It doesn't matter two cents what you think, unless you are going to be the judge or pay the legal expenses. I imagine that the statute of limitations for the printed word is longer than two years.
But like I said, don't take my word for this. By all means, if so inclined, go ahead and make a few disparaging comments yourself (Disclaimer: Not to be construed as legal counsel.) and report how it turns out. I for one, would refrain from ever giving legal advice that others might pay dearly for if I were wrong. | |
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com Good job Netfixer for at least giving him a chance to defend himself in public. Everybody deserves that.
"GFY" really is probably the correct answer for such an old post.
I find it sad how people think that litigation threats can prevent the truth/the opinion of a majority.
Remember that the public judges you and litigation threats just make you seem more dubious to us the majority.
Netfixer even apologized *if* you were actually treated unfairly? Would you care to elaborate on your case? | |
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com Hopefully NP after requesting removal of a 2 year old post, will actually have something to say here, in this present thread, as it seems nothing has been posted yet. Look forward to any comment, as all of us would.
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| I don't think that Mr. Nicholas Papadopoulos will be responding to this thread, which is his loss if he truly feels maligned and wants to publicly set the record straight. 
This is his most recent email communication to me:
said by Nicholas Papadopoulos :
Dear Mr. Royce Shofner
Please send an email to take the post down and I will follow up with it as you recommended since you made that post.
http://www.dslreports.com/contacts link
I called and asked you in the most polite manner to remove what you wrote about me. I hope you know that I am serious and that you will be responsible for what you stated on that public forum so be prepared to defend your actions in the right forum.
I ask that you dont post anything further or my offer to resolve this friendly without litigation will be withdrawn and then be prepared to hire an attorney to defend your unlawful acts.
You told me people have written bad things about you and or your company and that you don't approve in that conduct. You said you relied on information that you found on the net and I asked you to send it, now you can't find it. You will need all that information and evidence to support your "infamous" statements and if you dont have it be prepared to bare the costs to defend your self and if you loose additional damages and my attorney's fees if applicable by the law.
We never met, we never did any business, I don't owe you anything, you dont know me, and I don't know you so Mr. Royce Shofner you accused me personally and that's NOT right. Consider that if any corporation was unable to pay an electric bill once or twice that doesn’t mean the administrative contact of the domain name of their website is an "infamous" person or do you think it does?
Don't you rather focus on real productive work?
Let me know by Monday or I will call and have my attorney take immediate steps to resolve this in the court of law.
Sincerely,
Nicholas Papadopoulos
This is my response to the above email:
said by NetFixer :I have done better than sending an email to the administrator of dslreports.com. I have opened a public thread in their security forum (the same forum in which the post to which you object was made). In this new thread I have attempted to explain your objections, and to give you the chance to publicly explain your position in your own words. I strongly suggest that you take advantage of that opportunity. The URL for that thread is http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18208144 Royce Shofner AKA NetFixer He also sent an email to dslreports.com and I received a CC of that communication. Since that message was not directly sent to me, I will not reproduce it here. Suffice it to say that it contained a drastically edited version of the reply I originally sent to him.
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Bronx, NY | Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com Is it really worth the trouble to possibly go to court for something as silly as requesting from the administrators or moderators at DSLreports to remove that post, or the thread altogether? | |
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1 edit | Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by mike31mets :Is it really worth the trouble to possibly go to court for something as silly as requesting from the administrators or moderators at DSLreports to remove that post, or the thread altogether? NP has himself officially made such a request to dslreports.com at my suggestion based on the following paragraph of the DSLR TOS:
said by DSLR TOS :
If you believe that material posted is defamatory, obscene or otherwise unlawful, and you are, or represent, the person or entity whose rights are being violated, please contact dslreports.com via this page. Include full details including your contact information and the location of the material, and we will respond.
My ability to do anything about that post is explained quite clearly in this paragraph of the DSLR TOS:
said by DSLR TOS :
Once you post here, your post becomes the property of the site. You have no control over what happens to it from that point onward. It may be deleted, edited or, as with the vast majority of posts, left alone. The decision to post or not, according to these rules, is your own.
I believe that this thread could be considered an adequate implied consent on my part for the management of dslreports.com to edit or delete the disputed posts at their discretion (not that my permission is required or even relevant).
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| Mr. Royce Shofner you have made your case worst than it was, you are drawing attention instead of minimizing your exposure you multiplied it.
Mr. Royce Shofner if you want to resolve this it would take 1 message/20 sec to the Administrator of the board and this issue would be resolved.
Mr. Royce you rather keep us up all night and take up a battle with me and force that I hire an attorney to defend my name? Is that what you want?
Mr. Royce Shofner would you like that when your kids or your wife or your friends visit the web tomorrow that they find 1,000 posts like yours from someone you never met and be asking you to about them?
Mr Royce Shofner we never met, you don't know me, we never had any business. I hope you sincerely and in good faith send a message to the Administrator to edit or delete your posts and parts of this thread.
Sincerely
NP | |
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original message(s) posted in September 2004...
where where you then and why did you wait almost three years to complain about this? | |
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1 edit | said by N_P :
Mr. Royce Shofner you have made your case worst than it was, you are drawing attention instead of minimizing your exposure you multiplied it.
My intent was to draw attention to your objections, and give you a place to set the record straight in your own words. You are free to use that opportunity or not.
said by N_P :
Mr. Royce Shofner if you want to resolve this it would take 1 message/20 sec to the Administrator of the board and this issue would be resolved.
said by N_P :
Mr Royce Shofner we never met, you don't know me, we never had any business. I hope you sincerely and in good faith send a message to the Administrator to edit or delete your posts and parts of this thread.
If you go back and read the post to which you replied: »Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com and also the TOS link included in that post, you will see that your email to dslreports.com has already initiated whatever action the dslreports.com management is inclined to take, and that my rights (or more accurately my lack of rights) under that TOS do not permit my to directly do anything about such posts. This thread, which will give you a chance to publicly state your case, is the best I can do to remedy the situation should dslreports.com choose to ignore your request.
said by N_P :
Mr. Royce you rather keep us up all night and take up a battle with me and force that I hire an attorney to defend my name? Is that what you want?
Mr. Royce Shofner would you like that when your kids or your wife or your friends visit the web tomorrow that they find 1,000 posts like yours from someone you never met and be asking you to about them?
I am usually up most of the night, as that is when I get the peace and quiet I need to do programming and web site coding.
Perhaps you should have consulted a lawyer before making what sounds very much like a threat in a public forum.
To summarize, you have an opportunity here to explain why the negative publicity updated.com received in the past was not justified and set the record straight from your perspective, or you can make threats and lower public perception of you and your company.
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| I have a Question Mr.Papadopoulos
Why does your website with only one visit and page open to it make my router Nat table look like this
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693 172.016.001.163:01861 038.119.096.103:00080 60825 00007 TCP
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722 172.016.001.163:01920 038.119.096.103:00080 60854 00009 TCP
722 172.016.001.163:01879 038.119.096.124:00080 60833 00008 TCP
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723 172.016.001.163:01880 038.119.096.124:00080 60834 00008 TCP
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724 172.016.001.163:01882 038.119.096.124:00080 60835 00008 TCP
725 172.016.001.163:01926 038.119.096.103:00080 60857 00009 TCP
726 172.016.001.163:01928 038.119.096.103:00080 60858 00009 TCP
727 172.016.001.163:01930 038.119.096.103:00080 60859 00009 TCP
727 172.016.001.163:01890 038.119.096.124:00080 60838 00008 TCP
728 172.016.001.163:01932 038.119.096.103:00080 60860 00009 TCP
728 172.016.001.163:01889 038.119.096.124:00080 60839 00008 TCP
731 172.016.001.163:01896 038.119.096.124:00080 60842 00008 TCP
732 172.016.001.163:01898 038.119.096.124:00080 60843 00008 TCP
735 172.016.001.163:01904 038.119.096.124:00080 60846 00008 TCP
736 172.016.001.163:01906 038.119.096.124:00080 60847 00008 TCP
739 172.016.001.163:01912 038.119.096.124:00080 60850 00008 TCP
740 172.016.001.163:01914 038.119.096.124:00080 60851 00008 TCP
749 172.016.001.163:01958 038.119.096.103:00080 60881 00013 TCP
750 172.016.001.163:01960 038.119.096.103:00080 60882 00013 TCP
751 172.016.001.163:01962 038.119.096.103:00080 60883 00013 TCP
752 172.016.001.163:01964 038.119.096.103:00080 60884 00013 TCP
753 172.016.001.163:01966 038.119.096.103:00080 60885 00013 TCP
754 172.016.001.163:01969 038.119.096.103:00080 60886 00013 TCP
755 172.016.001.163:01970 038.119.096.103:00080 60887 00013 TCP
756 172.016.001.163:01974 038.119.096.103:00080 60888 00014 TCP
757 172.016.001.163:01973 038.119.096.103:00080 60889 00014 TCP
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3rd Visit To your Site
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840 172.016.001.163:02103 038.119.096.124:00080 60951 00017 TCP
Each time i let the cache clear on the Nat device i have.
Does your site have some malicious code in it to use all the avaliable nat with the purpose of over flowing the buffer in it to do who knows what ????
Are you the webmaster??? If not you Should ask your webmaster the question i have asked you..
I will clairify this is out of NetFixer hands.
And according to the TOS of this site.
Below
»Site FAQ
Once you post here, your post becomes the property of the site. You have no control over what happens to it from that point onward. It may be deleted, edited or, as with the vast majority of posts, left alone. The decision to post or not, according to these rules, is your own.
Oh I see that your website is hosted on Ip 38.119.96.124 is acually a
OrgName: Performance Systems International Inc.
OrgID: PSI
Address: 1015 31st St NW
City: Washington
StateProv: DC
PostalCode: 20007
Country: US
NetRange: 38.112.0.0 - 38.119.255.255
CIDR: 38.112.0.0/13
NetName: COGENT-NB-0002
NetHandle: NET-38-112-0-0-1
Parent: NET-38-0-0-0-1
NetType: Reallocated
NameServer: AUTH1.DNS.COGENTCO.COM
NameServer: AUTH2.DNS.COGENTCO.COM
Comment: ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.cogentco.com:4321/
RegDate: 2003-08-20
Updated: 2004-03-11
OrgAbuseHandle: COGEN-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Cogent Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-877-875-4311
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@cogentco.com
OrgNOCHandle: ZC108-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Cogent Communications
OrgNOCPhone: +1-877-875-4311
OrgNOCEmail: noc@cogentco.com
OrgTechHandle: IPALL-ARIN
OrgTechName: IP Allocation
OrgTechPhone: +1-877-875-4311
OrgTechEmail: ipalloc@cogentco.com
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-04-20 19:10
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In which i get alot of Hits on My other Nat device that is setup To soley Take on all the unsolicited packets so that this pc never sees any of that unsolicited Trash that comes my way.
Thank You for your time :) ;) ;) ;)
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by NetFixer :said by SnowyOne :btw up to this point both Royce & Mr.Papadopoulos have exercised their civil rights in a proper, responsible manner & deserve respect for that. Actually that ended with his 3:17 AM harassing phone call. I guess his lawyer forgot to warn him that such actions could expose him to criminal prosecution. That is when you employ Steve's advice and tell him "GFY". The man sounds like he's coming unhinged mentally.
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| said by NetFixer :Actually that ended with his 3:17 AM harassing phone call. I guess his lawyer forgot to warn him that such actions could expose him to criminal prosecution. So, why didn't you report this to the police and the phone company? If some douchebag tried this stunt with me, that's precisely what I would have done, and I would have pressed the issue until criminal charges were filed.
The followup would be a nice fat countersuit. It's pretty hard to demonstrate that you're not "infamous" in civil court after you've been convicted in criminal court of calling people up in the middle of the night and verbally harassing them.
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com 1) Because Doctor Dan, neither the police nor the phone company will act on one phone call. They have better things to do with their time. Besides, should they put everyone making an unwanted phone call at 3am behind bars (ex-girlfriends, ex-boyfriends, etc.)? You need repeated action and intent. He apologized, and that doesn't sound like harassment, more like a mistake.
2) There is no countersuit when then is no lawsuit to begin with. I suspect there won't be one. Furthermore, IF the phone call were a criminal offense, it would NOT be a "countersuit", it would be a criminal matter pursued by the state. If there were a civil suit, what would the damages be? No damages, no lawsuit.
3) Have you ever started a lawsuit? Any idea of the time and expense involved? Anyone who knows will tell you to avoid lawsuits at all costs. They are NOT the solution to problems, and only those who have never been involved in one suggest them.
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1 edit | Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by Blue2 :1) Because Doctor Dan, neither the police nor the phone company will act on one phone call. They have better things to do with their time. Besides, should they put everyone making an unwanted phone call at 3am behind bars (ex-girlfriends, ex-boyfriends, etc.)? You need repeated action and intent. He apologized, and that doesn't sound like harassment, more like a mistake. There is repeated action and intent: unwanted and harassing email messages and phone calls.
said by Blue2 :2) There is no countersuit when then is no lawsuit to begin with. I suspect there won't be one. Furthermore, IF the phone call were a criminal offense, it would NOT be a "countersuit", it would be a criminal matter pursued by the state. If there were a civil suit, what would the damages be? No damages, no lawsuit. Harassment is grounds for a countersuit (or a lawsuit, if the opposing party hasn't already filed).
said by Blue2 :3) Have you ever started a lawsuit? Any idea of the time and expense involved? Anyone who knows will tell you to avoid lawsuits at all costs. They are NOT the solution to problems, and only those who have never been involved in one suggest them. Yes, I have. My sister also happens to be an attorney. Those who like to throw threats of lawsuits around usually blink when they're reminded that some of their activities (e.g. harassing phone calls in the middle of the night) could be construed as criminal acts, and not looked upon too kindly in civil court.
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com Hogwash. Not only do we have too many lawyers, we have too many armchair lawyers.
"If someone simply disagrees with you, however strongly or unpleasantly, that isn't harassment. Someone who sends you a single email message that isn't overtly threatening probably hasn't harassed you. ... Harassment usually involves repeated communications via email or some sort of instant messaging program after the harasser has clearly been told to go away." (emphasis added)
»www.haltabuse.org/help/isit.shtml
You'd think from reading this posting that the only ways to resolve problems are:
1) Insults
2) Lawsuits
3) Weapons
I'm sure that N_P and NetFixer will come to an understanding if the rest of you put down 1, 2 and 3 and let them 4) communicate.
This "cowboy" mentality is what usually turns a "misunderstanding" into a "situation". | |
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2 edits | Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com As far as I am concerned, if someone purposely makes an unwelcome phone call to my residence at 3 AM, it's going to pursued as harassment.
said by Blue2 :I'm sure that N_P and NetFixer will come to an understanding if the rest of you put down 1, 2 and 3 and let them 4) communicate. Don't you mean N_P and Netflix?
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by N_P :
You didn't read my earlier reply to this. The phone number from Netflix was posted on his website as his business phone (don't waste your time on this).
Netflix? What does the online DVD rental company have to do with this?
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by 93254336 :Netflix? What does the online DVD rental company have to do with this? This guy's a doofus who can't tell the difference between Netflix and NetFixer , and who apparently has no shame about making a fool of himself in public.
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2 edits | Notes and Links from the Grave
Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com
»www.webmaster-talk.com/affiliate···ing.html
»www.v7n.com/forums/marketing-for···ram.html
»www.freewebspace.net/forums/arch···028.html
»forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion···6-0.html
»forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion···-50.html
»www.geekvillage.com/forums/archi···962.html
»www.geekvillage.com/forums/archi···907.html
»www.updatedsucks.com/cgi-bin/YaB···80543807
it's shocking to lose over $8000
Hopefully this info on them helps your lawyers:
Address:
300 South Pointe Drive, Suite 3704
Miami Beach,
Florida, 33139, USA
Domain Name.......... updated.com
Creation Date........ 2001-05-21
Registration Date.... 2001-05-21
Expiry Date.......... 2007-05-21
Organisation Name.... GlobalBell Inc ?????
Organisation Address. 300 South Pointe Dr,
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Miami Beach
Organisation Address. 33139
Organisation Address. FL
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... Nicholas Papadopoulos
Admin Address........ 300 South Pointe Dr, 3704
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Miami Beach
Admin Address........ 33139
Admin Address........ FL
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... admin@updated.com
Admin Phone.......... +305.6731339
Admin Fax............
Tech Name............ Nicholas Papadopoulos
Tech Address......... 300 South Pointe Dr, 3704
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Miami Beach
Tech Address......... 33139
Tech Address......... FL
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... admin@updated.com
Tech Phone........... +305.6731339
Tech Fax.............
Name Server.......... NS1.DNSSRV.NET
Name Server.......... NS2.DNSSRV.NET
»209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:eR···18&gl=us
Maria
Administration
Updated!
Maria L.
Administration
Updated.com
updatedsucks.com/
klaas
searchpixie.com
also a complaint has been submitted at bbb.org
COMPANY OR ORGANIZATION INFORMATION:
Updated!
300 South Point Drive Suite 3704
Miami Beach, FL United States 33139
(305)673-1339
www.updated.com
COMPLAINT INFORMATION:
Complaint #: 1581330
Complaint Type: General Complaint (not a car maker)
Date Received: 7/26/2004
Primary Complaint Classification: Advertising Issues
Secondary Complaint Classification: Selling Practices
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1 edit | Well, NetFixer, seems you've found a truly special person here. I would have to agree with the earlier poster who mentioned something along the lines of mental instability...
This man has no case. Your previous comments were made based upon publicly available information (not that the pure fact of its being public is relevant in this case) and a reasoned opinion. The legal definition of libel (as this record is 'permanent' and 'published' it is not slander) applies in this case, not the dictionary one. Your statement was not false, therefore, it is by that fact alone not libel. Further, your comment was not made out of malice or with ill intent; again, this disqualifies your statement from categorization as libel.
Even if this man is ill-informed enough to think he can possibly win in court and decides to press legal action, his case will be either dismissed (summary judgement or otherwise) or he will simply lose.
Another thing of concern: his actions up to this point could easily be considered harassment for multiple reasons (the phone call(s) and the threats of legal action are just two of the more egregious items). I would actually say that you have a much better case against him than he has against you.
As a final note: it would greatly benefit this man to either look over his emails before he sends them or invest in a word processor/email program that spell/grammar checks. His butchering of the English language is almost amusing at times. Anyway, the whole situation (while it may be stressful for you [another item to be considered in a case against him]), is fairly amusing. It is simply a case of a man who knows his company was/is unsavoury and is lashing out at those who notice and care to make public their realization. Perhaps he will realize how ridiculous he sounds and how much of a fool he is making of himself with his current actions and simply desist. That would the best option for him, and the most peaceful and logical resolution for you both.
Good luck in this matter.
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1 edit | Hi Royce,
Hard to tell what is scam and what is real..or even if Nicholas Papadopoulos is a real person. In any case..some one once said " any coverage is free advertisment..even if it's crap"..I guess this thread now a DSLR will help the hits for page ranks..you just have to wonder who is really behind it all..or if it's just one big hoax.
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1 edit | Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by Name Game :Hi Royce, Hard to tell what is scam and what is real..or even if Nicholas Papadopoulos is a real person. In any case..some one once said " any coverage is free advertisment..even if it's crap"..I guess this thread now a DSLR will help the hits for page ranks..you just have to wonder who is really behind it all..or if it's just one big hoax. I suspect that Nicholas Papadopoulos is a real person (or at least a real persona) based on the old whois data (which used to be much harder to mask or spoof), as well as the Caller ID in my Vonage call log.
I had not thought about the free advertising for updated.com that this thread might provide, but you are right, there is a PR philosophy that the only bad publicity is no publicity.
Speaking of free publicity, your link to the mama turkey picture has caused a noticeable spike in dslreports.com referrals to nature-pics.com. 
Believe it or not, my primary reason for this post was a hint from NP that all his prior bad press was the result of past financial difficulties, not intentional fraud. Because I have been there, done that with financial problems related to a business startup, I guess that touched a soft spot and I thought I would give him a chance to tell his side of the story. Oh well, I guess it is really true that no good deed goes unpunished.
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by NetFixer :I suspect that Nicholas Papadopoulos is a real person (or at least a real persona) based on the old whois data (which used to be much harder to mask or spoof), as well as the Caller ID in my Vonage call log. Nicholas is a real person. Using the whois address that was posted above, 101 20th Street #3401, the property owner comes back as ELENA PAPADOPOULOS.
Feel free to search yourself:
»gisims2.miamidade.gov/myhome/propmap.asp
Next, take that name over to the Miami-Dade County Clerk search page, and plug that name in last name, first name and you find Nicholas.
»www.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-r···rch1.asp
Search with his name (last name, first name) and you can read some civil court papers regarding another slander/defamation case!
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| Any one else laughing at the fact that this guys name resembles the character in a movie ? With chevy chase where they go to vegas and his kid gets a fake id with the name ?
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2 edits | It also seem strange back in 2003 that when Klaas de Zwart the person who started this updatesucks.com who claimed to have been done up by the company for $8000 had posted all over the internet that then almost immediately some person from updated.com claiming to be
Maria
Administration
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Maria L.
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posts in respone back to him at many forums. 
The rivalry of course is that they are both in the same click for money busines..where in Klaas was selling his clicky stuff to Updated.com at one time then even branched out on his own with other sites. They (Klaas and Maria) had an ongoing dialog..and lawyer threats going back and forth at each other also. ( Facts seem to support that Klaas was already in business on his own ..time line show Klaas had his own thing going with even other website before that date )
Registration Service Provided By: topcool
Contact: klaas@dezwart.org
Klaas de Zwart
Domain name: updatedsucks.com
Registrant Contact:
Unlisted-Whois.com Protection Service
Unlisted-Whois.com, LLC Ref# 94354 (0572s4187hcqu@brprivatewhois.com)
4107353410
Fax: 4107353433
P.O. Box 229
Margaretville, NY 12455
US
Administrative Contact:
Unlisted-Whois.com Protection Service
Unlisted-Whois.com, LLC Ref# 94354 (0572s4187hcqu@brprivatewhois.com)
4107353410
Fax: 4107353433
P.O. Box 229
Margaretville, NY 12455
US
Technical Contact:
Unlisted-Whois.com Protection Service
Unlisted-Whois.com, LLC Ref# 94354 (hmae9pxqjxsg4av@brprivatewhois.com)
4107353410
Fax: 4107353433
P.O. Box 229
Margaretville, NY 12455
US
Status: Locked
Name Servers:
dns1.name-services.com
dns2.name-services.com
dns3.name-services.com
dns4.name-services.com
dns5.name-services.com
Creation date: 15 Nov 2003 13:56:45
Expiration date: 15 Nov 2007 00:00:00
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So what's my point????
Just a theory.
The Etymology and Origin of the name Nikolaos is Klaas in Dutch.
Greek: Nikolaos
English: Nicholas,
Dutch: Klaas, Claes, Nick, Niek, Nico
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas
So I want to know what happened to Klaas de Zwart ( Nick the Black ) ???
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by Warez_Zealot :Why even encourage the guy. Just ignore him and maybe he will go away. He sounds insane IMO. The logic is fairly simple..Klaas de Zwart claimed in some of his posting, Nicholas also made phone calls to him. That was 4 years ago..Now we have a member of the DSLR Security Forum getting calls from a "Nicholas" with a little bit different slant on the venue about an old thread he wants removed.
All the real 'damaging threads' as applied to update.com are still not only out there..some might even be active.
So the question is..how many more other phone calls, threatening or otherwise, will be made and by whom, to even more other people beside NetFixer ?
I see no deformation of character. I do not even see any established reputation between a Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com..in fact the name seems to be "distancing" itself from the organizations..that even has used different organizational/company names in the registration of the web site over the years.
Something smells like dead fish here..but NetFixer should be the last to swim through it all..if this thread survive..and that to me is important.
There are professed victims..then there are real victims.
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| there is no law preventing a person to state that a company is being untruth of its obligations.
the word infamous can also mean the infamous of scams going around, it can be defined with many examples.
what netfixer did , is not wrong.
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com said by shamrin :This thread has moved from weird to just plain creepy. I think everyone on this forum (save for the anonymous poster) and anyone who has spent more than 20 minutes using the internet has a pretty good feel for what's going on here. Can't someone lock this thread before it goes too far? /sch Bingo! For the win!
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| Re: Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com ROFL!
Gary, the 'Numa-Numa' guy, made the list!
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