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nozzer join:2004-06-25 Waltham, MA	reply to batterup Re: Find someone better? Says the man from New Jersey. »www.taxfoundation.org/publicatio···/78.html 48th - How d'ya like them apples? LOL Seriously though. For every dollar MA gives to the country, it gets only 75c back. So I call "bullsh1t"
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs: ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to nozzer said by nozzer : Oh please. Eastern Mass is one of Verizon's biggest cash cows. Its occasionally been the wealthiest metro area on the face of the earth, and still ranks in the top 10. Why would they lump it in with ME,VT and NH? All pork eaters that want more then they are worth.
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BloodRoses Gods lend wings to tainted hearts Premium join:2003-03-17 clubs: ·Cox HSI ·Verizon Online DSL 2 edits	reply to jonez Last I checked they were replacing all copper, and what was the "upgrade to FIOS" stuff I saw there? I'd imagine as capacity demands decrease due to FIOS deployment that they would find ways to continue to profit off their investment. Also, I meant the "Boston area", so around 495 basically. Didn't think I had to be that specific. -- Cheers, Stephanie - www.GlitterFaerie.com
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nozzer join:2004-06-25 Waltham, MA	reply to batterup Oh please. Eastern Mass is one of Verizon's biggest cash cows. Its occasionally been the wealthiest metro area on the face of the earth, and still ranks in the top 10. Why would they lump it in with ME,VT and NH?
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs: ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to KoolMoe said by KoolMoe : Massachusetts should look for other companies who may be willing to build-out fiber in their state. Setup a state-wide franchise system but DON'T award it to Verizon, as long as there's some other company willing to wire the state. Verizon should lump Massachusetts in with the Vermont, New Hampshire and Main deal.
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algolly join:2003-08-28 New York, NY	reply to BloodRoses There are companies in Western Mass making money, like »www.crocker.com/index.php?f_page···_company
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John Galt Forward, March Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp ·CenturyLink	reply to radam said by radam : Massachusetts being New England is waiting for the technology follow-on to fiber! No sense investing too early in broadband. You would be stunned to find out how true that is... -- A is A
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radam join:2004-02-13 Fairfax Station, VA	reply to KoolMoe Massachusetts being New England is waiting for the technology follow-on to fiber! No sense investing too early in broadband.
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jonez Got Anime? Premium join:2004-09-24 Stow, MA ·Verizon FIOS	reply to BloodRoses said by BloodRoses : Unfortunately, something like 5.7 of that is all in Boston. Most of Western Massachusetts is a desolate wasteland, so it's no surprise that Verizon wouldn't want to invest there (I probably wouldn't either). That said, with all the DSLAM equipment they're moving out of Boston, at least they could give them DSL and make use of the old equipment. Firstly, I resent your comment about western mass, most of western mass is very beautiful, it's a nicer 'wasteland' than new york. Secondly, they aren't moving any DSLAM equipment from boston, they haven't even touched boston yet...maybe some of the cities and towns closer, but definitely not boston. Thirdly, they don't move the DSLAM equipment out of a CO when they upgrade it for FIOS, (or atleast my installer told me.) If they did, how are those who are still on dsl and don't want to move to fios going to keep their dsl service? Posting on something you know little about (or seemingly know little about) doesn't make you look too smart. -- My diet is highly composed of FIBER! Massachusetts FIOS Map
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Kylemaul Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x Premium join:2001-03-30 North Port, FL clubs: ·Verizon FIOS	reply to marigolds Wouldn't it be cheaper for Verizon to just avoid loophooles altogether? I mean, really, that -has- to add a lot of miles to their deployment to add all those loops. More seriously, I say let 'em go...maybe the lawmakers can focus on better consumer protection instead of knuckling under to the 'big boys'. (anti-fraud startups as mentioned earlier, etc...) -- 'The tighter the RIAA squeezes their grip, the more stars and systems will slip through their fingers.' Member of the Official AnarchistTelecommunications(&)Terrorists bashing club.
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marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO	reply to BosstonesOwn said by BosstonesOwn : Nope read it again. Some utilities and some cable co's pay. But some are not paying. So make it even or don't tax on it. I think the idea is to make it even by completely removing the exemption for everyone. Which means that phone companies would get socked the worst since they are taking the most advantage of the current loophole. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher
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jslik That just happened Premium join:2006-03-17 clubs:	reply to marigolds All good points. The thing to keep in mind with all this franchise reform is that we're going to have to live with these decisions for a long, long time, so we better make sure we're aware of those long-term effects.
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marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO	reply to marigolds said by marigolds : said by BosstonesOwn : It's not that easy. The cable companies don't pay this tax ! Why should verizon I want to know why comcast isn't getting hit and why every company using those poles aren't. It looks like the loophole only applies to telephone companies, not to cable companies or utility companies. So yes, cable companies would already be paying the tax. The other utility companies are definitely already paying the property tax. After doing some checking up, the loophole definitely applies only to telephone companies. In a court case involving RCN, RCN was denied the ability to use the property tax loophole. But... a cable company can transfer their assets to the right type of company and claim the loophole. In their case though, the loophole applies only on overhead wires over public roads (not wires over private roads) and they must carry at least one phone call. For phone companies, the exemption can apply to a much wider range of property (as demonstrated below). Other companies get the exemption on the wires, telephone companies get the exemption on wires, poles, and related machinery. In response, Verizon, MCI, Sprint, and AT&T transfered all of their Massachusetts real property to qualifying "telephone and telegraph" companies. In Verizon's case, they transferred all of their physical assets to a Bermuda-based telephone and telegram company and reduced it's property tax bill from $3 million to $9,307. Sprint transferred its real property including all of its telecommunications switchs in Massachusetts to two Delaware based paper company that qualifies under the law. There are other companies that also receive the exemption: banks, certain manufacturers, and software companies. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher
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marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO	reply to Skippy25 said by Skippy25 : So the consumer could speak with their wallet. What's the problem with that? The main problem is that it makes deceptive practice very easy. Since there are numerous legal protections for cable companies in place (on the assumption that they would protect their franchise), it is easier than it is in most companies to pull off fraud against a consumer. Just look at how many of the violations in the Rigas case were dependent on Adelphia being a public company. The feasibility requirement is the main protection the consumer has against a fly by night cable company setting up a false front, collecting install fees, and then collapsing without providing service. The key for the consumer will obviously be to only go with known names. That is only the most blatent barebones type of fraud though that can be carried out. Another problem with the current state franchise model is that it allows unregulated transfer of a company. Fortunately the SEC can cover some of the really disasterous problems that can arise there, but you are still talking about some pretty significant fiscal deregulation considering the type of industry involved. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher
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BosstonesOwn join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: ·Comcast	reply to marigolds Nope read it again. Some utilities and some cable co's pay. But some are not paying. So make it even or don't tax on it. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"
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Skippy25 join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO	reply to marigolds So the consumer could speak with their wallet. What's the problem with that?
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marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO	reply to BosstonesOwn said by BosstonesOwn : It's not that easy. The cable companies don't pay this tax ! Why should verizon I want to know why comcast isn't getting hit and why every company using those poles aren't. It looks like the loophole only applies to telephone companies, not to cable companies or utility companies. So yes, cable companies would already be paying the tax. The other utility companies are definitely already paying the property tax. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher
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BosstonesOwn join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: ·Comcast	reply to KoolMoe It's not that easy. The cable companies don't pay this tax ! Why should verizon ! I dread the day I voted for Deval Patrick. This dumb ass and mumbles are driving our state and area into the ground. You can't afford to breathe around here before they tax you. These taxes and the must have health insurance is a joke. My pay don't increase to help me with this must have crap. If I am barely getting by on my checks as it is now in this hell hole how will I get by when the "fine" me for not having health care? I want to know why comcast isn't getting hit and why every company using those poles aren't. You can't only tax the big guys , it has to be fair. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"
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BloodRoses Gods lend wings to tainted hearts Premium join:2003-03-17 clubs: ·Cox HSI ·Verizon Online DSL 1 edit	reply to KoolMoe Unfortunately, something like 5.7 of that is all in Boston. Most of Western Massachusetts is a desolate wasteland, so it's no surprise that Verizon wouldn't want to invest there (I probably wouldn't either). That said, with all the DSLAM equipment they're moving out of Boston, at least they could give them DSL and make use of the old equipment. -- Cheers, Stephanie - www.GlitterFaerie.com
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AnonProxy Proxy of Anon Premium join:2001-05-12 ß	reply to marigolds We can deny the franchise locally but the ONE time someone did the DTE over ruled them as half the members of the DTE board were Verizon lackeys.
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