 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
 ·Verizon FiOS
| Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? The only way Massachusetts can get modern communications service is by awarding welfare to a corporation?
Maybe it's time call Massachusetts a free market failure and begin municipal deployment. Why should the taxpayers of Massachusetts continue to fund corporate profit? | |
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 bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? Why not. Massachusetts is the #1 Welfare state with a mandatory health insurance program starting July 1. If you don't have it you will and the state will take the premiums from your pay. But we are raising our state minimum wage....from $7.50 to $8.00 on Jan 1 2008. Yeah. That extra 50 cents will go a long way to pay the $260 health insurance premium each month.
Can you say under the table..... | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? MA sounds more like California, except that many of those that don't have health insurance also don't have SSN's either (or work under the table and don't pay). If you're in CA, claim to be a citizen from another country (Canada, Mexico, wherever), and use 'free'  county health care and bill the rest of us for it. | |
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join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? MA is like CA but older and much more high strung.
Call me a crass individual but if you don't have an SSN and you don't pay taxes and you don't get health care.....
I Don't Care.
I guess I am a Republican. | |
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| Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? No your an "american"
What pisses me off is I don't get sick or go to the hospital why do I need health care insurance ? It's a damn scam so Deval's insurance friends people can make even more money.
And since my company don't give it to me until I "qualify" how exactly does this work ?
They are taxing the people who work for the illegals who don't , but they go abuse the hospitals. They cough and go to the emergency room since it's free care.
My wife works in a hospital and when I go there I get sick just looking at all the people who have the free care papers and are filling them out.
Yet another reason I am looking else where in my companies foot print for a place to live.
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join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? This is not a Deval scam. Mitt Romney started it and Deval has actually lowered the cost of it.
All I want to hear is Deval say "I'm not gonna fall for a banana in the tail pipe"... | |
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| Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? said by bigjimc:This is not a Deval scam. Mitt Romney started it and Deval has actually lowered the cost of it. All I want to hear is Deval say "I'm not gonna fall for a banana in the tail pipe"... Romney and Deval both suck , I think deval didn't do enough to try and stop it. Supposedly helping save us low income earners.
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | My wife works in a county hospital in Southern California... I see enough on my visits of those that have use of county system. The sad part is that you get better treatment by county, free parking and shuttle (taxi), free prescriptions, etc. which if you 'do' have insurance through something like Blueshield or Kaiser, you pay just to come in the door, pay for prescription (they'll fill you full of these, even if you don't need them), and have you come back for more, so they can do it all over again. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I agree... however, most in CA DO get health care, and the rest of us pay for it (sort of like Canada, only those that pay for it aren't allowed to use it, and have to pay for their own as well). | |
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join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? No wonder my Canadian Citizen friend gets her health care in Boston.
She says the quality of Canadian Health Care is the same as an American made TV. Hit or Miss. | |
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| Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? Don't laugh i know a guy who comes down to boston for back pain surgery , bad accident , and get his care here for next to nothing , including morphine and other stuff to ease the pain. For free.
Canadian. In his part of canada the health care sucks. So he comes here and they do it for cheaper then it would cost me.
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? He must be in Ontario, or Quebec, where the government is paying for immediate service to be done south of the border in the U.S. | |
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1 edit | God forbid everyone has access to health care.
Back on topic...if the private companies aren't cutting it, then citizens should band together and make it happen on their own, whether as a muni, co-op, or some other form. | |
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join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? Everyone has access to health care. There is not a single hospital that would refuse a patient in the United States. Whether or not they had a card.
Isn't it funny that many of us share holders of VZ Stock are saying down with the tax break.
Side note...
If VZ has to make back that tax break then it will have to raise its price. It is an involuntary tax by way of a rate increase. (though not a tax but who cares if its a tax are a rate increase. it is the same. more money from my pocket). | |
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1 edit | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? That may work once or twice, but no hospital is going to consistently provide health care for free without billing (and suing to collect) if necessary (which is why medical bills are the biggest single cause of bankruptcies). And when private insurers can cherry pick and deny issuing a policy to anyone with a "preexisting condition" be it asthma, cancer, or a bum knee, there's often no alternatives. Which explains why 40% of my state's population has no insurance and many cannot get it. So no, not everyone has access to healthcare.
As far as VZ goes, if it has to raise the price to cover its taxes (as opposed to cutting down on outrageous executive perks and overhead) then so be it. And watch their customers flee to competitors. But that's the beauty of a free market. | |
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join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | How is that "welfare state". The way the system works now the state has to find the money to cover those who won't pay for insurance.
Whilst there are major faults with the system (it does nothing to strangle the out of control costs in the healthcare sector), it does mean that an individual will be able to buy their own healthcare at an affordable price from July 1, something insurers don't currently offer. | |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | It means there really isn't a free market.... Verizon's getting special treatment... and they are demanding it continue. | |
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| emptywigHuh? What?Premium
join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX | Re: Does this mean the free market has failed in MA? This is the dirty little secret of all American capitalism: the free market isn't free. The big companies get all sorts of handouts, welfare, sucking up dollars they don't deserve and avoiding paying taxes that are only their fair share.
There is no free market in America.
wig
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