 GooberPremium
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Naperville, IL
kudos:4 | reply to major marco
Re: RIAA House of Cards Two different considerations you're talking about.
I didn't say that the RIAA was necessarily crumbling. My point is that the the RIAA's DRM house of cards and the lost sales because of piracy arguments may be falling down with the EMI actions.
First, I believe that as the EMI initiative continues to gain steam and support from retailers such as Amazon, etc. there will be pressure on the other labels to follow (as long as EMI's experiment truly is successful).
Second, if the above indeed happens, and if/when the other record labels fall in line, the DMCA as it relates to music and the RIAA will become toothless and moot.
Maybe a little too optimistic, but there seem to be at least some chinks in the RIAA armor. |
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 JehuPremium
join:2002-09-13
MA
kudos:2 | Hi, the RIAA works for EMI (as well as others) so EMI releasing some DRM-free music has absolutely nothing to do with the RIAA or if they have a house made of cards.
As has always been, the RIAA is an agent of Recording Industry copyright holders who want to seek legal action against innfringement.
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 GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
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Hollywood, FL | said by Jehu:Hi, the RIAA works for EMI (as well as others) so EMI releasing some DRM-free music has absolutely nothing to do with the RIAA or if they have a house made of cards. As has always been, the RIAA is an agent of Recording Industry copyright holders who want to seek legal action against innfringement. The trouble is they're acting on their own without any oversight. Take the simple case of a C&D letter being sent here recently to websites supporting the new NIN album, which were published with the full knowledge and consent of the band and the label.
These "agents" seem to think that the default position is guilty without any investigation. This isn't about infringement it is about control of distribution channels.
K.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by GlobalMind:said by Jehu:Hi, the RIAA works for EMI (as well as others) so EMI releasing some DRM-free music has absolutely nothing to do with the RIAA or if they have a house made of cards. As has always been, the RIAA is an agent of Recording Industry copyright holders who want to seek legal action against innfringement. The trouble is they're acting on their own without any oversight. Take the simple case of a C&D letter being sent here recently to websites supporting the new NIN album, which were published with the full knowledge and consent of the band and the label. These "agents" seem to think that the default position is guilty without any investigation. This isn't about infringement it is about control of distribution channels. K. so basicly you mean like how Columbian drug lords want total control of their product from plants to the streets of Brooklyn. or how the Mafia wanted control of the booze from entry to the US to sale at the speakeasy during Prohibition. the difference is the RIAA is legalized gangsters because their product is legal.
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GooberPremium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:4 | reply to Jehu
I disagree. EMI's actions neuter the RIAA's initiatives to a degree. Think about it, if all the labels were to go DRM fee, a large part of the RIAA's job would evaporate. |
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JehuPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to Kearnstd
you watch too much tv 
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JehuPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to Goober
Hi, the RIAA existed long before DRM. DRM-crippled mp3s are but a small part of what they do.
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JehuPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to GlobalMind
Too much tv for you too. |
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GooberPremium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:4 | reply to Jehu
I realize that. My first dealing with the RIAA was back in 2001 relating to internet music streaming.
But, my point is that the RIAA has become part of the collective conscious because of the DRM issues. When/if the DRM issue is negated by the record companies, a lot of the RIAA's present "business" goes away. |
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JehuPremium
join:2002-09-13
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kudos:2 | I see what you are saying, but I think you need to better parse out what you mean by DRM.
DRM, as a whole, ain't going anywhere. Neverevernever.
Methods of enforcing (read: being a pain in the ass to consumers) DRM will fluctuate and perhaps become quite transparent over time.
EMI's PR brainchild is to sell *some MP3s online with no DRM-crippling stuff built in. yay.
It is a useful PR move, and it's even more useful when, after selling DRM-free MP3s, they can say "see looky we're still getting pirated as much (if not more)."
win-win as they say.
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GooberPremium
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kudos:4 | I can't refute anything you're saying. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. |
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 FiLPremium
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Silver Spring, MD | reply to Jehu
Not really. Take into consideration this:
"This isn't about infringement it is about control of distribution channels."
IMO, this is totally the case. Kind of like how nowadays, people are asking less and less for a Record deal but more and more for a Distribution deal.
Lots of people got in-house studios, they just want the label to flood the market with their music. The RIAA's is definitely not here to "apply the laws of copyright" as can clearer be seen by the CnD letters sent to people recording music off the radio or how they don't want anyone to make any kind of backup they don't see fit. How's that for watching too much tv?  |
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FiLPremium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD | reply to Jehu
Actually, I'd say he's pretty much on the money on that too. lol. Theres no such thing as a black and white issue when dealing with the **AA's. |
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 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:so basicly you mean like how Columbian drug lords want total control of their product from plants to the streets of Brooklyn. or how the Mafia wanted control of the booze from entry to the US to sale at the speakeasy during Prohibition. the difference is the RIAA is legalized gangsters because their product is legal. Racketeering is racketeering...
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