 | WTF is wrong with this world Broadcast radio pays how much? I could see if these services were subscription based but none of the cool ones are they should have to pay $0 to the RIAA. |
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 DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou Reviews:
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| Broadcast radio helps promote new music, so they're helping the RIAA by stearing people to buy music.
Net radio doesn't promote music. Each radio station simply broadcasts a narrow genre of music to a pointed demographic of listeners who are totally unwilling to buy albums of artists they hear.
If you haven't already figured it out, all the marketing data has determined that in order to sell music, "the industry" must play broad swaths of tastes on every station because that's the only way to catch the majority of your customers.
Allowing these net radio stations to play music they know their listeners want to hear (while having near perfect metrics to prove how long each listener stays, and who requests what) and introduce new music/artists from within the same genre JUST DOESN'T WORK! The listeners never become new customers for the RIAA....and they know that.
Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio? -- :: my trivial ramblings :: |
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 tc1uscg join:2005-03-09 Saint Clair Shores, MI | Wonder how this will affect stations like the ones you can find on "screaming radio" or the ones you get on Audiojack? Guess I'll go back to just sitting in front of the FM stereo and go back to recording music that way. Glad I didn't toss my cassette deck.  |
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 kaila join:2000-10-11 Lincolnshire, IL | reply to DaSneaky1D I don't agree with your assessment that net radio doesn't translate into sales. Although music buyers in specific genre's will certainly put more $ in the used market since the labels only press a few percentage points of their catalog at any given time.
Even if this were absolutely true and net listeners never buy music, it comes down to whether the RIAA wants to collect 7.5% of net-casters revenue or not. |
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 | reply to DaSneaky1D said by DaSneaky1D:Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio? I do, pretty much every week. You're totally wrong in every point that you make. To say that net radio only attracts people who are unwilling to buy music has no basis in reality. I listen to net radio all the time and I have well over 3000 cds in my collection.
The only way to catch a majority of customers is by playing broad swaths of tastes?? I don't think so. Pretty much every broadcast radio station sticks to a genre and satellite radio even more so. I believe having a specific genre of music being played on a station increases the odds of selling more cds. Recently I started listening to the Pogues again after a few years of really not paying attention to them. I created a Pandora station using the Pogues as a centerpiece and have discovered a bunch of new bands I like and as such have purchased a bunch of cds that I wouldn't have otherwise bought if Internet radio wasn't around.
Internet radio is good for exposing people to new bands, especially in genres that you won't really find on the normal radio dial. -- Alt-This -- My Tech Podcast |
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Re: WTF is wrong with this world quote: Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio?
I do as well. Via Pandora and eMusic. |
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 | reply to kaila said by kaila:Even if this were absolutely true and net listeners never buy music, it comes down to whether the RIAA wants to collect 7.5% of net-casters revenue or not. They don't, they want much, MUCH more. The decision of the Copyright panel would have put most Internet radio stations out of business. 7.5% of revenues is a much fairer sounding number. -- Alt-This -- My Tech Podcast |
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 | reply to AnonProxy It's not the RIAA that gets the money. Royalty collection organizations like ASCAP and BMI collect the money. What webcasters will be paying is a percentage of what they make. 7.5% will not break anybody's bank. That's the way it should be. I don't see anything wrong with artists getting a little piece of the profits of webcasters. |
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 | reply to DaSneaky1D Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio? All the time. Once per week. Sometimes more. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | reply to DaSneaky1D That was a witty, sarcastic commentary, right?
If not, let me just say that everything I've bought on CD over the last five years has been because I heard it on Internet radio. Every single CD. Some stations (like Radio Paradise) have links to Amazon.com for every song they play. Makes it really easy to satisfy that impulse thing. Then there are ones with links to iTunes and other online services as well. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | reply to SRFireside That's 7.5% of gross revenue to SoundExchange for performance royalties to the performance copyright holders (record labels, aka the RIAA) in addition to what they already pay to composers via ASCAP, et. al. The CRB had set the performance royalty to effectively 100% or more. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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2 edits | reply to RadioDoc Yes, it was totally sarcastic.
The point I was trying to make is of the stupidity by the RIAA to cut off several revenue streams:
1) Internet radio stations have a very, very accurate view of who listens genre of music they play. They know who connects, how long they stay, and what artists/songs are requested. When a new song is introduced, they know it will appeal to the listening audience, who is quite likely to translate that listening experience to a purchase.
2) Royalty payments, while they may be smaller than those from other outlets, will steadily come in. Best case, collectively, they'll make a noticeable increase. Worst case, it'll feel like earned interests.
Either way, net radio is a win/win for, both, artists and the RIAA. Sure, there are stream ripping programs out there, but that should be the least of their worries. The money lost through pirated tracks gleaned from net radio, I'm willing to bet, is null compared to perfectly formatted tracks you can rip from a cd and get elsewhere. -- :: my trivial ramblings :: |
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 | reply to RadioDoc I didn't know performance royalties were distributed to a different organization than ASCAP and such. Still it's all the same. A rate of 7.5% is better than the per song model. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | reply to DaSneaky1D You can't be too careful around here. Most only read the comments and don't bother to read the source articles. Some barely read the comments before shooting off their own.
And I agree with you 100%. This is found money for the RIAA, but as usual they're trying to eat the goose rather than collect the eggs. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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 wtansillNcc1701 join:2000-10-10 Falls Church, VA | reply to Karl Bode said by Karl Bode: quote: Think about it, when was the last time you or any one else, actually bought tracks or whole albums because of what you heard over Internet broadcasted radio?
I do as well. Via Pandora and eMusic. Live365 here... Good stuff. -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. |
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 wtansillNcc1701 join:2000-10-10 Falls Church, VA | reply to RadioDoc said by RadioDoc:You can't be too careful around here. Most only read the comments and don't bother to read the source articles. Some barely read the comments before shooting off their own. And I agree with you 100%. This is found money for the RIAA, but as usual they're trying to eat the goose rather than collect the eggs. Of course they are. This isn't about a revenue stream -- it's about losing control of distribution. The Internet represents their worst nightmare and they'll do anything to attempt to kill it -- even giving up "found money" in the short term in pursuit of their ultimate goal of ironclad control. -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. |
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | That's what will eventually do them in. This genie is never going back in that bottle. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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 wtansillNcc1701 join:2000-10-10 Falls Church, VA | said by RadioDoc:That's what will eventually do them in. This genie is never going back in that bottle. Hope you're right, but we've been waiting a long time without apparent results on that front. Maybe the RIAA's demise be like a dman bursting where it appears to suddenly collapse all at once... -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. |
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 KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to AnonProxy the RIAA should know they "Cant stop the signal". |
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