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Re: protection against poert surge-(lightning)
said by dadkins  :All the "Protectors" you buy and purchase are for line surges and spikes. Lightning will usually fry even those! Seeing as lightning is jumping 2-20 miles to create a strike, some little box on your line isn't going to slow it down too much.  Best thing to do is when there is a storm, disconnect your valuable electronics from *ALL* connections. Power, cable, DSL - all of them! Yeah it's like the people that think the rubber on their tires is going to protect their car from lightning... If the multi million volt arch makes it all the way from the sky, it is not going to have any trouble crossing the mere 1~ foot gap from the car to the ground.
Your best protection from lightning is the ground, some type of full home protection.
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TwistedLefty
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| nearby lightning strikes have fried motherboards and routers on my systems 2 times in the last 5 years, these systems were protected by APC units and i was only able to save hard drives, memory, vidcards.
my cable lines and house electric connections are fully grounded, nearby strikes will follow the lines and jump gaps easily.
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whocares
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| wow thank you 2k, now I know or "think" i know what to hook up to the UPS, jazzy
As far as deciding what to connect to which UPS, I generally adhere to a 'one computer, one UPS' policy.
Each computer has its own UPS, that makes sure that each gets maximum benefit of the battery when power does go out.
Only things usually connected to the UPS sockets are the CPU and the monitor (got to keep the CPU running, and need the monitor to see the screen to shut down smoothly).
Peripherals such as external disk drives also get a hookup to the UPS side of the unit.
Peripherals like printers and powered speakers only get connected to the sockets with surge suppression only - NOT the UPS side.
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novaflare
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Only thing with a hope of stopping lighting is a whole house lightening arrestor. Even this wont help with a direct hit also wont help less your house is properly grounded. Simply put it the lightening hits the line in to your house or the pole your on you have at best a 50 50 chance of your stuff makeing it with out damage.
Now a best in class battery back up (xxxxva for xxxxva) with built in surge arrestor and whole house ligtening arrestor and good groun can turn that 50 50 in to more like 75% chance of your stuff surviving. My measly 300 va battery back up cost me damn near 300 bucks new. We have a whole house litenging arrestor replaced once and i had to replace my my ups as well. Nothing was damaged that was hooked up to the back up (acctually a few of them) but my cable tv box got smoked really nicely it was not on the back up.
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Martinus
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Re: protection against electrical surge-(lightning)
said by IGGY :Google is not your friend. Who is your friend is someone who will take the time to give you solid honest advice with no BS and spin. I could go on but my point is this. A help forum is a place where people are supposed to get help. Not told to go Google it or spend hours banging their head against a wall in an FAQ. Especially when many people won't even link to the relevant content included within that FAQ. That comment is way out of line and you should know that.
said by IGGY :Uninterruptible Power Supply ( UPS ) do you have one - Iggy Uncensored. That article has my thoughts on the subject along with a few links to other opinions. This topic is one of those that can get heated. It is also one where you will see varying degrees of opinion. Not everyone can afford to have their home rewired or invest in a whole protection system. At the very least if you can afford it you should have a high quality UPS device protecting components. » iggyz.com/blog/_archives/2007/3/···118.html Nobody here questions your shameless plug and you criticise a fellow member for including a link to Google after he has written four posts in this thread with valuable information?
"Iggy Uncensored", how cheesy is that? What's next, "Iggy Unrated"?
C'mon IGGY , you used to be good.
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Cheese
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»ecatalog.squared.com/pubs/Electr···9701.pdf |
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whocares
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.. | am presently using 'surge protectors & have been for last 5 yrs,but now i find out, theres a better way thanks to FRIENDS, sharing their knowledge with me,jazzy |
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Andromeda451
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Q: What is Joule?
A: A joule is 1 W dissipated in 1 second, aka 1 Watt/second. |
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tlb99
join:2006-09-08
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3 edits | When we get storms here I use to just unplug the phone line and also the power cord. I don't use dialup at all anymore so I don't have to do phone cord. Also it's a good idea to just unplug everything completely including any broadband modems, routers, and possibly any audio systems that plug into your sound card although I don't know about the latter. |
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IGGY
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I think if you will look one we could get in a very interesting discussion about that member. Two I think if you would take the time to be less critical and actually be of some help. You would see a few things. One that article is a very good one and states exactly what some of the members here have ( several months before they said it here ). I also think if you will take the time to look further. I have been a member here for many years. I've provide more than my share of help to many forum members. But it is people like yourself and those that state to just Google it that have run me out of the forums. If you will have an even further look. You will see many of my articles discuss threads here. Many of my bookmark pages also lead back to this site.
I think with over 1.5 million page views last year and being written about by major and not so major websites and online / offline writers over the years. I'm more than entitled to feel my site and what is written there is valid enough to be linked here.
Your personal attack definitely shows you have a bias and and an axe to grind. You have also done exactly what shouldn't have been done. You have taken away from the exact purpose of this thread. Which is to help people. Nothing new around here. Which is exactly why I've spent less time within the forums the past year or so.
Guess you missed the links towards the bottom of the article leading to other opinions on the subject? Very relevant opinions that would help others to make up their own opinion on the subject. Don't talk to me about shill this or that. My reputation stands alone. I don't BS anyone - I'll tell you like it is straight up. Always have and always will. Maybe if you bothered to have a real look at my site you would see that. Yes there are ads there so what. There are here to if you not logged in. Does that make this site a shill for the products displayed in the Google ads? You have no right to question my integrity.
I guess only the chosen ones in the forums get to link to their work Only the ones you approve get to share their opinion in an offsite link? No I'm not going to just copy and paste my opinion from the article here. That would be stupid for multiple reasons.
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whocares
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said by Andromeda451 :Q: What is Joule? A: A joule is 1 W dissipated in 1 second, aka 1 Watt/second. I know i had to ask the same question & some GOOD FRIENDS here & other sites help me figure "some of it out",
i was thinking that a joule was the "thing a ma jug" that connects to the "whats ya ma calls its" to make the "do dobber" go king klang,bing bong
but seriously
Vamp,TwistedLefty,novaflare, THANK YOU for the help & information[/b]
& i agree when someone is asking a questions or anytime personal attack aren't warranted.
a person ask questions to LEARN,& to learn one must ask questions. jazzy
p.S.novaflare,if a direct hit,won't have to worry about the computer,I'll be dead from the explosion of the oxygen tank bottles,
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signmeuptoo
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Guys, let's stay on track here and talk on the topic. I don't like that I was misunderstood and scolded as I was when he could have IMd me and all, but forget it happened and let's make this a good thread.
Jazzy: There are some divergent opinions on the lightning topic, reality is you will have to decide what to listen to. Over in the electronics forum, for instance, some argued that a meter based surge arrester had advantages while others backed installing a breaker panel arrester. As is true throughout life, there will always be opposing opinions that ALL have merit and justification.
The most important thing is to make a grounding system based on the NEC (US National Electrical Code) outlined as best for surge arresters, install at least one surge arrester for the high V's and one for the low V's, install one at your telephone NID, and do the best you can for how well you ground your TV cable. I do not know of any arresters for Coaxial connectivity, but there are still outlet based surge protectors that have coaxial connectors. Some CAN slow down your internet bandwidth, so get one that is approved for internet use.
I, my own self, have only one option for lightning: I have to unplug stuff, the house is really old and bad and I don't own it and I refuse to work on the house because, well, of the landlord, I don't want to get in huge legal trouble.
I don't want to profess to be an uber professional. Yeah, I went to college and studied electronics. I worked in Silicon Valley AND the National Labs. I used to work directly under a Master Electrician. But the truth to tell, there are guys here with more experience and knowledge than me and I defer to them. I regret any conflicts. Perhaps if I stop posting here and leave DSLR there won't be any more flames and fights. Maybe I deserve to be yelled at, but I had no ill intentions with my words. If Ziggy wants to IM me and discuss this further he is welcome to, and I apologize for anything I have done wrong that I don't realize.
Have a great day guys.
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and to all as signmeuptoo stated,There are some divergent opinions on the lightning topic, reality is you will have to decide what to listen to.
ALL of US[/b[ on this board with its many different forums & millions of questions & ""opinions" about different subjects,listen & look for others trying to find the same answers,and [b]trying to make our own best decision,what works for one may not work for another
THANK YOU everyone for shareing your knowledge, jazzy
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