Re: now I understand! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18263697 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:10:07 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:10:07 EDT Re: now I understand! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18264114 viperlmw :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

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Qwest-- No investment in future networks, more profit, activists are happy because no rich people are getting a better network than poor people; everybody's nice and equal with the same slow network.
Which activists would those be?
The net neutrality activists. They want build out requirements for the telcos as they place infrastructure or provide new service (FiOS, Lightspeed, etc.) that would greatly hamper ROI. They call it 'redlining', 'cherrypicking', etc. They don't understand the business case for getting return as you go. Some of them would like to see the incumbent telcos go belly up. Just peruse this site. You'll find them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18264114 Tue, 01 May 2007 15:07:59 EDT Re: now I understand! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263697 batterup :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Which activists would those be?
Rev. Al and Jessy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263697 Tue, 01 May 2007 13:58:51 EDT Re: now I understand! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263651 Karl Bode :
quote:
Qwest-- No investment in future networks, more profit, activists are happy because no rich people are getting a better network than poor people; everybody's nice and equal with the same slow network.
Which activists would those be?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263651 Tue, 01 May 2007 13:51:04 EDT Re: now I understand! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263646 anon : And let's not forget:

Verizon-- tries to bring fiber to richest neighborhoods first, still not making a lot of money off of it, gets attacked by activists for not losing even more money by running fiber to poor neighborhoods (who won't subscribe in as great numbers) at the same time.

Qwest-- No investment in future networks, more profit, activists are happy because no rich people are getting a better network than poor people; everybody's nice and equal with the same slow network.

Seems to be that as long as running FTTH is causing such a big drain on Verizon's bottom line, that it's a bit of putting the cart before the horse to insist that they have to upgrade everywhere all at once, even in areas that would be even more unprofitable than their current expansions.

It's not like a company like Verizon would target rich neighborhoods first because they hate poor people. They're trying to make money. If FiOS were making money then, sure, argue for making them take on money-losing areas as well for fairness. It just seems to me that it might be a little bit too early to be insisting on that when FiOS isn't even making them money right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263646 Tue, 01 May 2007 13:50:28 EDT Re: now I understand! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263332 batterup :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :


Verizon stock price up 10% last 2 yrs
AT&T up 62%
Qwest up 160%


Enjoy it now the end is near. There is a reason at&t and Verizon didn't merge with Qwest and doesn't want to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263332 Tue, 01 May 2007 12:51:07 EDT Re: now I understand! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263281 TKJunkMail :
said by nasadude See Profile :

Verizon: laying fiber, future proofing their network, bringing blazing speeds to customers - earnings down because they are spending money on fiber

AT&T: slower investment, building the future network on the cheap, has to limit speeds because of lack of bandwidth - GREAT EARNINGS! investors happy!

Qwest: pretty much no investment in future networks, plodding along in the 90s - TRIPLE PROFIT! investors really happy!

So, to recap: build the network needed for the future, get slapped by investors; limit investment (or no investment), get rewarded.

No wonder the U.S. is 15th and falling.
The percentage changes in the last 2 yrs of the 3 companies stock prices appear to bear out your analysis:
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Verizon stock price up 10% last 2 yrs
AT&T up 62%
Qwest up 160%

Of course Qwest stock price initially was so low that a big percentage increase was much easier to do.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263281 Tue, 01 May 2007 12:44:08 EDT now I understand! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263034 nasadude : Verizon: laying fiber, future proofing their network, bringing blazing speeds to customers - earnings down because they are spending money on fiber

AT&T: slower investment, building the future network on the cheap, has to limit speeds because of lack of bandwidth - GREAT EARNINGS! investors happy!

Qwest: pretty much no investment in future networks, plodding along in the 90s - TRIPLE PROFIT! investors really happy!

So, to recap: build the network needed for the future, get slapped by investors; limit investment (or no investment), get rewarded.

No wonder the U.S. is 15th and falling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18263034 Tue, 01 May 2007 12:00:59 EDT