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rodrod5

join:2001-02-28
Houston, TX

Vonage needs to realize

that the company that "makes it big" in any technology always loses its ass while others move past them

I still don't get the whole VOIP rage anyway...it is just a stupid phone...people act like it is some great new inovative idea...it is just a phone

Necronomikro

join:2005-09-01

1 recommendation

The problem isn't that vonage is being passed up, it's that vonage is being sued by verizon for patent infringement... has nothing to do with being outclassed, more to do with verizon being jerks.

Geebo

join:2004-10-18
Fort Wayne, IN
reply to rodrod5
You don't get it ....huh.?? how about saving lots of money while getting more phone features.

Megladon13

join:2003-09-05
Minneapolis, MN

1 recommendation

reply to rodrod5
Its a phone that works in a new way without needing to have this huge network to maintain. Sure you have a huge network it works on, but its owned by someone else, and the thought is you can (or atleast should) get cheaper phone service by using their phone with a communication line that you already pay for (cable tv). Its not super great because its a phone, its nice because you can call to europe and crazy other places you might have family and it wont cost you 200$ for a 30 min call.

rodrod5

join:2001-02-28
Houston, TX

1 recommendation

reply to Geebo
well i just never got real excited about a "feature filled phone"

I just like to pick it up and make a few calls.....sometimes im even ok when it rings

If my residence was a business then im sure I would need many more features on a phone.....many more than vonage would deliver.....and with much more reliability...and I would be willing to pay a bit more for that

as for a home phone....just don't need "features".....I have enough other cool crap to learn about than a phone

Time4aNAP
Premium
join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL

2 recommendations

reply to rodrod5
said by rodrod5:

I still don't get the whole VOIP rage anyway...it is just a stupid phone...people act like it is some great new inovative idea...it is just a phone
It's not about the phone. With VoIP sometimes there isn't any phone.

It's about the voice. The voice of the people. Putting that voice where it doesn't belong--on a data network. We're sticking it to The Man, man!

Enlightener

join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX

3 recommendations

reply to rodrod5
Here is why I think VoIP is a very big deal... It has nothing to do with saving $20/mo.

If you go back to networking 101, there are three basic types of networks: Circuit Switched, Packet Switched and Mail Switched ( Any one here remember Fidonet?? )

POTS/PSTN used to be all circuit switched. Now the backbone is primarily packet switched providing virtual circuits. But the individual lines from the CO/RT to the house are still circuit switch.

VoIP extends this concept by basically turning the phone line from a circuit to an application session. In turn this abstraction allows the phone to run as a service over a generic dumb fat pipe just like any other application you use.

This is a big deal because we are seeing all our various applications ( IPTV for one ) all converge over a single package based network. In the long run I think this is a very big deal and very important to how we design our networks in the future. One big network instead of dedicated silo'd networks that can't interop.

The phone companies hate this because they aren't sure how to base a business model on it, but it's going to happen anyways. There are just too many reasons to go this way


Derspankster
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Marion, OH
reply to Geebo
said by Geebo:

You don't get it ....huh.?? how about saving lots of money while getting more phone features.
Skype is even cheaper.
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I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong

theeinstein
Premium
join:2003-07-31
Fernandina Beach, FL
reply to Time4aNAP
Are you saying you think data and voice should remain seperate services?


Chinabound
Premium
join:2002-12-21
Antioch, IL
kudos:3
reply to rodrod5
said by rodrod5 :
.....sometimes im even ok when it rings
The sentence of the century.


dodgetech2

join:2002-01-01
Gouldsboro, PA
reply to Time4aNAP
said by Time4aNAP:

said by rodrod5:

I still don't get the whole VOIP rage anyway...it is just a stupid phone...people act like it is some great new inovative idea...it is just a phone
It's not about the phone. With VoIP sometimes there isn't any phone.

It's about the voice. The voice of the people. Putting that voice where it doesn't belong--on a data network. We're sticking it to The Man, man!
HUH???


La Luna
RIP Lisa
Premium
join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
kudos:3

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reply to rodrod5
said by rodrod5:

well i just never got real excited about a "feature filled phone"

I just like to pick it up and make a few calls.....sometimes im even ok when it rings

If my residence was a business then im sure I would need many more features on a phone.....many more than vonage would deliver.....and with much more reliability...and I would be willing to pay a bit more for that

as for a home phone....just don't need "features".....I have enough other cool crap to learn about than a phone
It's not about "learning the phone", whatever that means. My Vonage line works just like any other phone. The service has been rock solid for the 3 years I've had it. Of course, it's dependent on the quality of internet service, but if that's good (which mine is), most people have no issues. Cell phones provide backup for that rare internet or power outage.

In addition to what Enlightener See Profile said, it's also about cost. Maybe YOU don't make a lot of long distance calls that providers like Verizon charge an arm and a leg for, but many of us do. Before I got Vonage, my phone bill was running, at a minimum, anywhere from $250-$300 per MONTH from LD calls to the UK. I got Vonage, paying about $32/Mo. (including taxes) for the unlimited plan and my bill dropped to 1/3 of what it was. Then Vonage started including Europe in their calling area for free and it dropped to the base rate of $32.....for the same amount of calls.

There's no way traditional POTS providers can, or would even want to, compete with that. And don't they know it. This isn't about patent infringement, that's only the excuse. It's about killing competition that Verizon can't compete with.
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~~"As long as America is an infidel enemy, terrorizing it is a duty." Sayed Imam Abdul-Aziz el-Sheriff~~



Jeffrey
Connoisseur of leisurely things
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Long Island
kudos:3
Reviews:
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reply to Enlightener
said by Enlightener:

Here is why I think VoIP is a very big deal... It has nothing to do with saving $20/mo.

If you go back to networking 101, there are three basic types of networks: Circuit Switched, Packet Switched and Mail Switched ( Any one here remember Fidonet?? )
Every once in a while, someone here will mention something about the 'old days' that really gives me a good flashback. A few months ago, someone mentioned the term "US Robotics Host Dual Standard" which really threw me back a number of years for a few seconds. Today, you mentioned Fidonet, which I haven't heard in a long time. Excercise for the brain, I love it.
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"When you get lost in your imaginatory vagueness, your foresight becomes a nimble vagrant."

[Ramblings] [RIP Millie 1993-2006]


RadioDoc
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2
reply to Time4aNAP
LMAO!


Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
reply to rodrod5
I switched to Vonage a while back and it saves me on average, 50.00 to 60.00 per month versus my old pots/long distance package.

I'd say that's a real big deal.

It single handedly alone pays for my comcast hsi connection. Nice I'd say....free HSI courtesy of Vonage.

Personally, I think this Verizon suit is all about trying to put them out of business and stifle this kind of competition instead of about them feeling their patents were violated.

And, I think that every voip users needs to be concerned about their actions. Verizon undoubtedly doesn't plan to stop with this case if they win. They'll use this as precedent and go after everyone.

What even Verizon pots customers should realize is that this is about Verizon wanting to stop your friends and relatives who use this service..from being able to call you. You pay for you pots line..but they want to stop people from calling you on it.

You should be just as up in arms over this as Vonage and it's customers are.
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The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!


RadioDoc
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2
"You pay for you pots line..but they want to stop people from calling you on it."

You should get a job in Vonage's PR department.
--
Toolmaster of La Grange.


CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
reply to rodrod5
I certainly understand the feeling as well. To get decent VOIP I would have to upgrade my DSL and spend more money per month, then I would have to get a UPS to keep the router and VOIP hardware running during a power outage (hopefully it is short) and heaven forbid my CLEC has any issue that causes the line to go down (luckily only down for a total of 2 weeks right after 9/11/01 - but the possibility is there) and then I personally do NOT trust the 911 service as well and with 2 young kids - that is a deal breaker for me.

Not to mention - I would not save huge amounts - we don't do a lot of long distance calling and if I do then it is on the cell.

I personally don't want everything running where one point of failure takes everything out. While the internet is stable - not all of the ISP's, ILEC/CLEC's are and hardware issues will happen...
--
Brian

"Some people are like Slinkies...
Not really good for anything......
But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs."


calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
When, oh when, are people going to learn that the world is not JUST ABOUT THEM?

All this "I see no need for Vonage" talk reminds me of the wife of a former colleague who said "I don't see why all the guys are so excited about the first Home Depot to open in town. Alfred at the hardware store sells me all the nails I need...."

You want to keep paying too much for century old technology? Fine. Quit bitching about the rest of us who prefer to drive modern cars instead of Model T's.

calvoiper
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VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies!

gh4456
Premium
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
reply to Enlightener
Actually,

Embarq is pushing for all packet switched lines. Currently there are over 1 million access lines in the network that are completely packet switched.


CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
reply to calvoiper
I was not "bitching' about anyone...

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to CylonRed
I hear the UPS thing all the time. If you have a cell phone, quit worrying about power outages. In fact, I'll bet a lot of people don't even realize that their POTS lines work when the power goes out. Why? Cordless phones don't work without power.

What I'd really like is for WiMax to eliminate the last mile physical connection. Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before.


RadioDoc
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2

1 recommendation

said by rradina:

Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before.
Now imagine how that would potentially create congestion like never before.
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Toolmaster of La Grange.


CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
reply to rradina
said by rradina:

I hear the UPS thing all the time. If you have a cell phone, quit worrying about power outages. In fact, I'll bet a lot of people don't even realize that their POTS lines work when the power goes out. Why? Cordless phones don't work without power.

What I'd really like is for WiMax to eliminate the last mile physical connection. Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before.
It mainly goes back to 911 - I trust cell 911 and VOIP 911 and that is of utmost importance to me. Main reason we have one regular phone is to use during a blackout. Cell is somewhat limited - there are areas still where cells still don't work great with poor/no signal so for me - that is not a great solution.
--
Brian

"Some people are like Slinkies...
Not really good for anything......
But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs."

dentman42
Premium
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
reply to Chinabound
said by Chinabound:

said by rodrod5 :
.....sometimes im even ok when it rings
The sentence of the century.
I hate when it rings. But then again, working in a call centre can do that to ya...

dentman42
Premium
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
reply to calvoiper
said by calvoiper:

When, oh when, are people going to learn that the world is not JUST ABOUT THEM?

All this "I see no need for Vonage" talk reminds me of the wife of a former colleague who said "I don't see why all the guys are so excited about the first Home Depot to open in town. Alfred at the hardware store sells me all the nails I need...."

You want to keep paying too much for century old technology? Fine. Quit bitching about the rest of us who prefer to drive modern cars instead of Model T's.

calvoiper
So you're saying Home Depot is new technology?

dentman42
Premium
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
reply to CylonRed
said by CylonRed:

said by rradina:

I hear the UPS thing all the time. If you have a cell phone, quit worrying about power outages. In fact, I'll bet a lot of people don't even realize that their POTS lines work when the power goes out. Why? Cordless phones don't work without power.

What I'd really like is for WiMax to eliminate the last mile physical connection. Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before.
It mainly goes back to 911 - I trust cell 911 and VOIP 911 and that is of utmost importance to me. Main reason we have one regular phone is to use during a blackout. Cell is somewhat limited - there are areas still where cells still don't work great with poor/no signal so for me - that is not a great solution.
In a situation with a widespread power outage, cell serivces are likely to be overloaded too. I've been in a situation where the power was out, my cell couldn't hold a signal or the network was busy (same with my GF's cell, different provider), and POTS was my only option. (Didn't have time to put the cable modem or a TV on a UPS and see if the cable was still up and didn't have DSL yet, but DSL depends on the POTS lines anyway...)

dentman42
Premium
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
reply to Time4aNAP
said by Time4aNAP:

said by rodrod5:

I still don't get the whole VOIP rage anyway...it is just a stupid phone...people act like it is some great new inovative idea...it is just a phone
It's not about the phone. With VoIP sometimes there isn't any phone.

It's about the voice. The voice of the people. Putting that voice where it doesn't belong--on a data network. We're sticking it to The Man, man!
That's what Internet rock stations are for, man!


ieolus
Support The Clecs

join:2001-06-19
Danbury, CT
reply to calvoiper
Uhh, you ARE paying too much for century old technology... what do you think runs in that modern car of yours and ran in that Model-T... an internal combustion engine.
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"Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp


RadioDoc
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2
Not to mention that ancient electricity.
--
Toolmaster of La Grange.


ieolus
Support The Clecs

join:2001-06-19
Danbury, CT
Yes, good retort but do you really think that 100+ years later noone has or could invent something better, cleaner, more efficient to run automobiles than the internal combustion engine based off of fossil fuels? Come on...
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"Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp