Geebo
join:2004-10-18
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to rodrod5
Re: Vonage needs to realize You don't get it ....huh.?? how about saving lots of money while getting more phone features. |
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| well i just never got real excited about a "feature filled phone"
I just like to pick it up and make a few calls.....sometimes im even ok when it rings
If my residence was a business then im sure I would need many more features on a phone.....many more than vonage would deliver.....and with much more reliability...and I would be willing to pay a bit more for that
as for a home phone....just don't need "features".....I have enough other cool crap to learn about than a phone |
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| Here is why I think VoIP is a very big deal... It has nothing to do with saving $20/mo.
If you go back to networking 101, there are three basic types of networks: Circuit Switched, Packet Switched and Mail Switched ( Any one here remember Fidonet?? )
POTS/PSTN used to be all circuit switched. Now the backbone is primarily packet switched providing virtual circuits. But the individual lines from the CO/RT to the house are still circuit switch.
VoIP extends this concept by basically turning the phone line from a circuit to an application session. In turn this abstraction allows the phone to run as a service over a generic dumb fat pipe just like any other application you use.
This is a big deal because we are seeing all our various applications ( IPTV for one ) all converge over a single package based network. In the long run I think this is a very big deal and very important to how we design our networks in the future. One big network instead of dedicated silo'd networks that can't interop.
The phone companies hate this because they aren't sure how to base a business model on it, but it's going to happen anyways. There are just too many reasons to go this way |
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said by Geebo:You don't get it ....huh.?? how about saving lots of money while getting more phone features. Skype is even cheaper.
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 ChinaboundPremium
join:2002-12-21
Antioch, IL
kudos:3 | reply to rodrod5
said by rodrod5 :
.....sometimes im even ok when it rings
The sentence of the century. |
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 La LunaSurvived AshrafulPremium
join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
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said by rodrod5:well i just never got real excited about a "feature filled phone" I just like to pick it up and make a few calls.....sometimes im even ok when it rings If my residence was a business then im sure I would need many more features on a phone.....many more than vonage would deliver.....and with much more reliability...and I would be willing to pay a bit more for that as for a home phone....just don't need "features".....I have enough other cool crap to learn about than a phone It's not about "learning the phone", whatever that means. My Vonage line works just like any other phone. The service has been rock solid for the 3 years I've had it. Of course, it's dependent on the quality of internet service, but if that's good (which mine is), most people have no issues. Cell phones provide backup for that rare internet or power outage.
In addition to what Enlightener  said, it's also about cost. Maybe YOU don't make a lot of long distance calls that providers like Verizon charge an arm and a leg for, but many of us do. Before I got Vonage, my phone bill was running, at a minimum, anywhere from $250-$300 per MONTH from LD calls to the UK. I got Vonage, paying about $32/Mo. (including taxes) for the unlimited plan and my bill dropped to 1/3 of what it was. Then Vonage started including Europe in their calling area for free and it dropped to the base rate of $32.....for the same amount of calls.
There's no way traditional POTS providers can, or would even want to, compete with that. And don't they know it. This isn't about patent infringement, that's only the excuse. It's about killing competition that Verizon can't compete with.
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 JeffreyConnoisseur of leisurely thingsPremium
join:2002-12-24
Long Island
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said by Enlightener:Here is why I think VoIP is a very big deal... It has nothing to do with saving $20/mo. If you go back to networking 101, there are three basic types of networks: Circuit Switched, Packet Switched and Mail Switched ( Any one here remember Fidonet?? ) Every once in a while, someone here will mention something about the 'old days' that really gives me a good flashback. A few months ago, someone mentioned the term "US Robotics Host Dual Standard" which really threw me back a number of years for a few seconds. Today, you mentioned Fidonet, which I haven't heard in a long time. Excercise for the brain, I love it. 
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 CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | reply to rodrod5
I certainly understand the feeling as well. To get decent VOIP I would have to upgrade my DSL and spend more money per month, then I would have to get a UPS to keep the router and VOIP hardware running during a power outage (hopefully it is short) and heaven forbid my CLEC has any issue that causes the line to go down (luckily only down for a total of 2 weeks right after 9/11/01 - but the possibility is there) and then I personally do NOT trust the 911 service as well and with 2 young kids - that is a deal breaker for me.
Not to mention - I would not save huge amounts - we don't do a lot of long distance calling and if I do then it is on the cell.
I personally don't want everything running where one point of failure takes everything out. While the internet is stable - not all of the ISP's, ILEC/CLEC's are and hardware issues will happen...
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 calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | When, oh when, are people going to learn that the world is not JUST ABOUT THEM?
All this "I see no need for Vonage" talk reminds me of the wife of a former colleague who said "I don't see why all the guys are so excited about the first Home Depot to open in town. Alfred at the hardware store sells me all the nails I need...."
You want to keep paying too much for century old technology? Fine. Quit bitching about the rest of us who prefer to drive modern cars instead of Model T's.
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gh4456Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to Enlightener
Actually,
Embarq is pushing for all packet switched lines. Currently there are over 1 million access lines in the network that are completely packet switched. |
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CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | reply to calvoiper
I was not "bitching' about anyone... |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to CylonRed
I hear the UPS thing all the time. If you have a cell phone, quit worrying about power outages. In fact, I'll bet a lot of people don't even realize that their POTS lines work when the power goes out. Why? Cordless phones don't work without power.
What I'd really like is for WiMax to eliminate the last mile physical connection. Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before. |
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 RadioDocYeah, like it matters.Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
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| said by rradina:Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before. Now imagine how that would potentially create congestion like never before.
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CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | reply to rradina
said by rradina:I hear the UPS thing all the time. If you have a cell phone, quit worrying about power outages. In fact, I'll bet a lot of people don't even realize that their POTS lines work when the power goes out. Why? Cordless phones don't work without power. What I'd really like is for WiMax to eliminate the last mile physical connection. Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before. It mainly goes back to 911 - I trust cell 911 and VOIP 911 and that is of utmost importance to me. Main reason we have one regular phone is to use during a blackout. Cell is somewhat limited - there are areas still where cells still don't work great with poor/no signal so for me - that is not a great solution.
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said by Chinabound: said by rodrod5 :
.....sometimes im even ok when it rings
The sentence of the century. I hate when it rings. But then again, working in a call centre can do that to ya...  |
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said by calvoiper:When, oh when, are people going to learn that the world is not JUST ABOUT THEM? All this "I see no need for Vonage" talk reminds me of the wife of a former colleague who said "I don't see why all the guys are so excited about the first Home Depot to open in town. Alfred at the hardware store sells me all the nails I need...." You want to keep paying too much for century old technology? Fine. Quit bitching about the rest of us who prefer to drive modern cars instead of Model T's. calvoiper So you're saying Home Depot is new technology? |
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said by CylonRed:said by rradina:I hear the UPS thing all the time. If you have a cell phone, quit worrying about power outages. In fact, I'll bet a lot of people don't even realize that their POTS lines work when the power goes out. Why? Cordless phones don't work without power. What I'd really like is for WiMax to eliminate the last mile physical connection. Imagine having video, network and voice with no wires or fiber. Now imagine how that would potentially create competition like never before. It mainly goes back to 911 - I trust cell 911 and VOIP 911 and that is of utmost importance to me. Main reason we have one regular phone is to use during a blackout. Cell is somewhat limited - there are areas still where cells still don't work great with poor/no signal so for me - that is not a great solution. In a situation with a widespread power outage, cell serivces are likely to be overloaded too. I've been in a situation where the power was out, my cell couldn't hold a signal or the network was busy (same with my GF's cell, different provider), and POTS was my only option. (Didn't have time to put the cable modem or a TV on a UPS and see if the cable was still up and didn't have DSL yet, but DSL depends on the POTS lines anyway...) |
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 ieolusSupport The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to calvoiper
Uhh, you ARE paying too much for century old technology... what do you think runs in that modern car of yours and ran in that Model-T... an internal combustion engine. 
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RadioDocYeah, like it matters.Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2 | Not to mention that ancient electricity.
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ieolusSupport The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | Yes, good retort but do you really think that 100+ years later noone has or could invent something better, cleaner, more efficient to run automobiles than the internal combustion engine based off of fossil fuels? Come on...
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