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Re: Size does not matter.. Funny...how the survey didn't include FiOS.... |
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 cacoPremium join:2005-03-10 Whittier, AK | Fios doesn't have enough video subs yet alone HD subs to be a factor. Maybe by 2020! -- www.seabee.org |
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 | What does the size of the install base have too do about anything? The survey and subsequent Comcast claims is simply their HD feed is the best. The survey was conducted by a third party and they simply compared Comcast to SAT TV and then proclaim they have the best HD period. Despite a small install base due to the fact that FIOS is still a very new offering...Comcast should have included FIOS in the comparison. To simply ignore the FTTH segment altogether is very suspect to me. |
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 | Lets see it compared to over the air which isn't compressed. In addition, all of these sat and cable providers change the compression and bit stream rate for their channels. So one channel that may look great one day may not look so good the next, but then look good the following. |
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 Derfel join:2004-06-06 Winnipeg, MB | reply to caco IPTV will be catching or exceeding cable/sat in terms of HD channels by 2009, mark my words. |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to patmondor said by patmondor:What does the size of the install base have too do about anything? The survey and subsequent Comcast claims is simply their HD feed is the best. .. it's called a "sample rate." I'm assuming you don't know much about survey samples and ratings and how they are assembled, right? To sample from a based on 30 million vs a few thousand, and your survey sample is flawed and your stats mean nothing - unless your are a politician, then that's another conversation.
There's nothing suspect at all. -- "Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-reitchous and lazy..." |
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 | reply to caco Or whenever they want to wipe cable under the rug. FIOS could crush cable at the flick of a switch. |
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 cacoPremium join:2005-03-10 Whittier, AK | reply to SquareSlinky
Re: Size does not matter.. Actually I've heard Fios Kills cable techs by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume Comcast with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse. -- www.seabee.org |
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 | Fios will hit Cable with his level 98 + 200 Cryogenic Staff and deal 90000000 hit point damage to cable ! -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" |
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| reply to Skippy25 They're all compressed - uncompressed 1080i at around 29.97 frames per second is around 1.45 Gigabits per second - it never gets transmitted that way!
DTV channels are allocated around 19 Megabits per second. DTV stations usually look better than satellite or cable because they generally have more bandwidth.
Direct and Dish compress HD to around 6 Mbits with Dish generally looking a little better.
Cable is all over the place and looks good or bad depending on what they've done to the signal. |
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 | reply to SquareSlinky said by SquareSlinky:Or whenever they want to wipe cable under the rug. FIOS could crush cable at the flick of a switch. Really? Do we just take your word or...?
Do you really think Cable can't compete? |
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 4 edits | reply to fiberguy fibreguy....you assume to much. I do know about sample rates and sample sizes, of and let me impress...margin of error. C'mon! I also know the biases inherent in surveys as well. First, even though Comcast didn't conduct the survey it still might have been sponsored by Comcast....hummmm. Second, it was a side-by-side comparison...the article states they had a setup with three feeds and said...which one is best? We don't know the size of their sample (they didn't put the number in there), but with a side-by-side comparison...it can't be too large. My initial disagreement was based on another comment is that the reason FIOS was not included in this comparison is because the install base for the technology was "too small." My answer to that was so what! This is simply an opinion based survey...of "which HD picture looks best." Not a "what HD picture looks best with an install base of said technology exceeding 1 million." Even though there are a limited number of FIOS TV customers...it seems a large number of those users, who are former Comcast and SAT customers say that FIOS is a better HD picture than the other providers. The survey seems to have samples from not only cable or sat users...but anyone in general. Thus, the whole population of the US could have been used as the sample size. What I'm simply saying is that FIOS is a technology that could have been part of the comparison, but it was ignored. So let's recap....Comcast is pushing the results of a survey where competing HD technology is left out...and then crowns itself as the best HD provider. You don't see anything suspect in that? |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | You assume that I assume, so how can you know what I'm "assuming?" (Not looking for an answer to that, ok?) ... let's not go there please. I have a degree in marketing, so I do have back ground in where I'm coming from.
But, you're talking about two different things. One is based on customer satisfaction, the other is on a rating of a product.
I know you want FIOS to be included, but it's still a percentage of what makes up the service today. By all means, the numbers would not pan out in the industry in any "customer survey" based on the numbers available to pool from.
You can remove comcast, who did the survey, and many of the other things you are talking about.. at this point, when you are out reaching to a base of people, there isn't enough in the Fios market to make the survey work..
.. however, keep in mind, you can make anything look the way you want. This is why I'm stripping out any variable and looking at the pool. In any qualified survey, Fios would be considered too small to rate at this point. -- "Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-reitchous and lazy..." |
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 lbsand join:2001-10-13 North East, MD | based on this quote, the sample was pretty small. How many have HD cable and Sat to respond. They state side by side comparison so they had a small pool or set up a studio and had folks look at both pictures, which can be influenced either way.
Among customers of both satellite and cable, Comcast was selected as providing a better HD picture than DirecTV by 60% of respondents with a preference. |
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