Re: Not for long in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18295662 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:05:49 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:05:49 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314677 marigolds : I still wonder what happens with the numbers that are not Comcast numbers.
As I posted elsewhere in the comments, quite a few of the numbers clearly do not belong to Comcast. Most of these belong to contracting companies of various types, but quite a few lead to cellphones and at least one leads to a private residence (probably someone who works for Comcast or a contractor).

These people are not going to be able to re-port new numbers within minutes and are probably going to have no clue why they are suddenly getting strange calls from irate Comcast customers.
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said by phattieg See Profile :

You are so wrong. They don't have time to talk to customers.
No chit you have that right. They are already up to their bottoms in calls from techs. ;-)

Just because you call them, doesn't mean they are going to call your tech and get them out there.
Within the first few words they hear (in the business we all use some internal jargon tech number etc) they will know if they are speaking with a tech or not......

At that point the call will either be disconnected or my guess is Comcast will as a patch issue a speed-dial transfer number for such calls. At that point the caller will drop into queue as if they dialed the 800 number just only slightly behind those who called the 800 number directly or if they care off to a sales save number.

BTW Comcast can re-port new numbers into those dispatch centers within minutes issue a memo and cut the old ones in a week or so once they wean the techs off them.

Wayne
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said by cdru See Profile :

At what point does "just a few minutes" become "too long of a period of time"?
The second the hand ticks outside the promised appointment window.

They are a business and they made a commitment to arrive within a window of time agreed to by both parties. If they see they are going to fail to make the window they have an obligation to notify the customer in a timely manner and make new arrangements and if necessary kick the customer back to sales as a save and let installation take a ding for the resulting discounts incurred or the loss of new subscriber.

An installation appointment is a commitment and usually the first commitment a company makes with a new customer failing that first commitment is no way to do business.

Not having been in the cable business I cannot understand why it has become a truism that the cable guy is always late but it would seem looking at it from my side of the house they cannot get a handle on how to balance load vs. force. We do it with both maintenance and installation under one roof. IMO in the cable world it would be even easier as most times they subcontract out installation and do maintenance in house sparing the install side from the after the thunderstorm etc. maintenance load.

Wayne
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Hooray, some asshat managed to get Comcast to spend a few extra dollars on changing phone numbers, guess who gets to foot the bill?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18300789 Tue, 08 May 2007 12:42:08 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18299675 morbo : yes, the sky will fall if companies are forced to make realistic schedules!!! carefree techs, ebola outbreaks, oh my!

no, what this will do is force the companies in charge of scheduling appointments to value their customer's time, instead of assuming that customers want to wait around even longer, despite the agreed upon service window. of course they can't predict how long an install will take, but they can make the schedule with some cushion in case there are problems. but they don't want to do that because that is money lost. it boils down to cableco's wanting to save money (that's ok) at the expense of screwing customers on install times (not ok).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18299675 Tue, 08 May 2007 07:48:02 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18297396 hopeflicker :
said by Combat Chuck See Profile :

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

And that's the problem right there. This shows the bare minimum staffing that the cable outfits have.
The fact that there's only a couple dispatchers doesn't show anything, dispatch is going to be busy but the calls they take are likely short and to the point because the people calling them are going to know the protocol.

Let's just put it this way. When i was in the field (when i worked it) I would call in to close out an install and the techs were always on hold. Sometimes up to 20 min. The techs were pissed because it would put them behind sched.
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said by hopeflicker See Profile :

And that's the problem right there. This shows the bare minimum staffing that the cable outfits have.
The fact that there's only a couple dispatchers doesn't show anything, dispatch is going to be busy but the calls they take are likely short and to the point because the people calling them are going to know the protocol.

Quite frankly if any department is overstaffed it's probably dispatch due to the fact that CC is wasting money paying employees to sit around any time there's a hold que getting thru to dispatch.
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Comcast made a commitment by specifying a appointment time. The least they can do is honor their commitment, or if they can't give the person ample notice that they are running late or can't make it.
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What could comcast do? They'd probably change them and move on with life.. however, one possibility is sue them for the money it cost them to change the phone numbers - labor and costs incurred, as well as the reprogramming of all the systems.

These are non-published numbers. It would also be very interesting to find out where the list came from. Internal? External? what?

This is actually a malicious attempt to disrupt the internal operations of a company. Any company like comcast spends large amounts of money to ensure that the customer service numbers are published to customer use. Dispatch is just that, for the dispatching of technicians. It's common sense to know that they are not public numbers.

I can also see that the consumerist was trying to be clever by saying that these numbers were intended for that use. I can tell you that any memo that was ever distributed always includes the standard statement about "for internal use only"...
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said by phattieg See Profile You don't understand. In many cases, there is only 2 or 3 dispatchers, and 100 to 200 techs they handle.
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And that's the problem right there. This shows the bare minimum staffing that the cable outfits have. Here we have these million/billion $$ corporations and they have bare minimum staffing.

And that's the problem.

And the asshole comment: No, it's not an asshole thing to say. If these cheap ass companies hired more man power, things like this wouldnt happen. And it's just not the cable companies.

it's all about GREED and lining the fat bastard CEO's with billions of dollars and fluffing the stockholders.
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said by Ebolla See Profile :

why should they do there job
Where job? Where?!

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said by fiberguy See Profile :

I also bet that the consumerist gets their hands slapped too!
While I don't support those numbers being posted, what can Comcast actually do to the Consumerist? Send a nastygram? They didn't break any laws.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18296518 Mon, 07 May 2007 17:02:05 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18296212 RadioDoc : God forbid you actually comprehend what you read. By the time the installer is 5 minutes late you've already been sitting around for four to eight hours waiting for him to show up.
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I am not important, I just bill out at $135 an hour. Who is going to pay me?

An I pay $175 a month to Comcast.

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said by battleop See Profile :

Oh everyone look at morbo. He is really important. He is so important that he can't wait 5 minutes.
you obviously have some personal issues relating to this. or as i mentioned earlier, you don't value your time.

this happened recently with me. i had a 2 hour appointment window scheduled for maintenance. i intentionally scheduled my work day around this time, so when they didn't show up (or call, or anything) i went to work. i couldn't waste any more of my day because of their incompetence/unprofessionalism. i used another company instead. sometimes i will wait an extra 5 minutes or 45 minutes, but most of the time i won't. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295835 Mon, 07 May 2007 14:38:29 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295791 fiberguy : They WILL be changed.

Why? Because they are for technicians only!

I also bet that the consumerist gets their hands slapped too!

Already made sure security knew about this.. don't count on them being the same for too long.

hahahaha... great job, consumerist! not

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said by battleop See Profile :

Oh everyone look at morbo. He is really important. He is so important that he can't wait 5 minutes.
He's already waited eight hours at that point.

I know you run or are part of some little ISP, and probably never have to deal with these things (or god forbid have work to do instead of sitting around for a day for someone who never shows up), but sheesh, get over yourself. :p
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said by battleop See Profile :

If you had a legit problem that couldn't be resolved then I would say use the numbers. Using them because your tech is 5 minutes late? BS.
at least 5 minutes late. that IS a legit problem. maybe your time is worthless, in which case i understand how you don't see it as "legit". ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295578 Mon, 07 May 2007 13:44:36 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295570 battleop : I think this is going a bit far. If these are Internal use numbers then they will get changed. I guess they wouldn't even hesitate to release an employee phone book either.

If you had a legit problem that couldn't be resolved then I would say use the numbers. Using them because your tech is 5 minutes late? BS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295570 Mon, 07 May 2007 13:42:48 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295530 Ebolla : I dont think that CC doesn't want to talk to customers, its the fact that dispatchers already have hands full, why should they do there job AND a job for frontline phone reps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295530 Mon, 07 May 2007 13:34:04 EDT Re: Not for long http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295482 hopeflicker :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

I bet these numbers all get changed very soon.
Yep, i bet too. They dont want to talk to their customers, which is very sad.
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