Re: AT&T has been crooked for a long time in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18298511 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:58:10 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:58:10 EDT Re: . http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18320244 rradina : This isn't Internet access. It's unlimited local telephone service.

Poor poeple need a lot more than Internet access. They need to improve their situation through education and obtaining a better job. Granted, some won't be qualified for better work regardless of the program but Internet access?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18320244 Fri, 11 May 2007 20:17:55 EDT Animal hater and ageist? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18319982 mrbueno : Man you keep stacking up the hate don't you.

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;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18319982 Fri, 11 May 2007 19:20:39 EDT Re: . http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18317876 Defcon888 : No I'm not on the low income thing.

But, poor people need internet access too. I'm glad CA provides low income and low priced service.
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I consider income disadvantaged people as those who cannot provide for themselves the basic necessities (food, shelter, medical care). Because the general public (i.e. the government) likes to consider itself humane, social programs are available to help these people. The last time I checked these programs don't guarantee friends, family, love or a job. If these things aren't guaranteed, what good is a phone beyond life-line service? Why would CA do this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18316893 Fri, 11 May 2007 08:40:23 EDT Re: . http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315225 Defcon888 :
said by rradina See Profile :

Why would CA provide unlimited local call phone service for poor people? I'm not against helping poor folks but what's the thought process behind subsidizing phone service in this manner?

I understand life-line service (calling 911 and such).
Because AT&T West rocks! I'm on their measured rate because I don't use my landline whatsoever except for DSL. Close enough to naked-DSL. Cheaper than actual naked-DSL too.

Cingular ftw btw!
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Ummm....hellloooo....you pay for 800 minutes and get 100....that's called theft.
They said it was cause they were forced to....but they lied. So two wrongs don't make a right, three lefts do.
Must be nice to have SOOOO much money that you don't care who's taking it.

Send some here....I'll spend it for you.
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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Umm hello, cheapo lady.
It matters NOT that this person is poor, rich, cheap, generous, a he or she, old, young, yadda yadda yadda. That's all classic misdirection.

What matters is this practice is DISHONEST and a RIP-OFF and AT&T should be smacked upside the head--- hard.
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said by voiplover See Profile :

I was one of the few hundred that once got charged ~$8 for a collect call from a payphone. The thing was that the payphone had been washed out into the Gulf of Mexico in the No Name Storm weeks before the call was supposedly made. :mad:
I hear you. They tried to charge me for a long distance call to Ohio. I dont know anyone in Ohio. All the little indian guy from their billing dept kept saying was,...(in my best little indian guy accent)..... "Our computers are not wrong".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18298511 Mon, 07 May 2007 22:54:11 EDT Re: . http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18298489 rradina : Why would CA provide unlimited local call phone service for poor people? I'm not against helping poor folks but what's the thought process behind subsidizing phone service in this manner?

I understand life-line service (calling 911 and such).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18298489 Mon, 07 May 2007 22:50:37 EDT Re: AT&T has been crooked for a long time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18296535 matrix3D : This is not the same AT&T... it's the corrupt and bloated SBC simply donning the long-deceased AT&T's skin.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18296535 Mon, 07 May 2007 17:05:10 EDT AT&T has been crooked for a long time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295722 voiplover : AT&T was one of the greatest companies in the world!
Unfortunately, that changed a long time ago. I know because I was one of the few hundred that once got charged ~$8 for a collect call from a payphone. The thing was that the payphone had been washed out into the Gulf of Mexico in the No Name Storm weeks before the call was supposedly made. :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295722 Mon, 07 May 2007 14:13:14 EDT Re: . http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18295170 72276539 :
said by ninjatutle See Profile :

I had someone call my place via a calling card once. I was LD and the caller ID said VOIP. I think the no name cards can bypass all the taxation via VOIP lines. I dunno how they operate but I'm guessing thats how they keep the fees down.
I can tell you don't know how they operate. Wholesale VOIP is typically cheaper then SS7 termination but its also crappier and finding a provider worth a damned is tough. Rate plans are the key here though, how they are accessed is not. Only difference comes into play for the mandating payphone fee so payphone operators still get some money from the call, fee came into being because payphones are charged for every call.. even TFN's.
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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Umm hello, cheapo lady. You're probably calling an 800 number first, entering your pin, then the number. Get a prepaid phone card where you dial a local number. Dialing the 800 number first is where the problem is.

But you're probably not a BBr member anyways, so all this info is useless to you :p
Completely wrong, the rate is controlled by the rate plan that is attached to the PIN. While some cards will have different rates between TFN access and local access there are others that don't have any difference. It's on a rate plan by rate plan basis,
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Your local telephone company (with a non monthly fee LD on the line) can't charge for an 800# (or I've never heard of such a thing). So It still comes down to picking a good calling card - but you don't usually pay 8x for a 800 access number.
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Also, if local access prepaid phone cards were easy for a 72 year old to conveniently find, I'm sure she may have....but, considering that "phone service is phone service", why would she even know to look for that.
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But you're probably not a BBr member anyways, so all this info is useless to you :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18294136 Mon, 07 May 2007 08:50:56 EDT