Re: How about because no one cares in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18300178 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:18:17 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:18:17 EDT Re: How about because no one cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18303632 SD6 :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Incorrect. The promise made to states like PA was for last mile, 45Mbps fiber connectivity. I have the original order around here somewhere in pdf. Yes, that's ludicrous, but yes, they still got tax write-offs and other incentives essentially for free.
Wait, what do you have? Do you have a promise from Verizon to the states? to their customers?

Or is this "promise" actually an order issued by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania PUC?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18303632 Tue, 08 May 2007 21:06:29 EDT Re: How about because no one cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18302948 KrK :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Bruce Kushnick cares because he has had it in for big telco for years and has based his whole business(teletruth.org)
Thing is, he's right.

It's all in the spin. When it's reported as "New reform plan will deliver more services, lower prices" it's no wonder it's embraced.... but if the exact same thing was labeled "Major Communications players want to take away your rights, eliminate competition" then people would rail against it.

Sheeple.

The presentation these days seems to be more important then the facts. Unfortunately only the first method seems to be common today in the major media. It's left to certain internet sites to try and balance out the story with some of the latter...
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said by nixen See Profile :

So, what's Dan Rather doing these days?
Coincidentally, I just got an 'adazine' in the mail today from Time Warner which highlights his new program on some new cable network that they want me to pay to watch. I wonder if he'll be on U-Verse, too. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18302548 Tue, 08 May 2007 18:27:23 EDT Re: How about because no one cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18302537 Karl Bode : Incorrect. The promise made to states like PA was for last mile, 45Mbps fiber connectivity. I have the original order around here somewhere in pdf. Yes, that's ludicrous, but yes, they still got tax write-offs and other incentives essentially for free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18302537 Tue, 08 May 2007 18:24:41 EDT Re: How about because no one cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18302227 TKJunkMail :
said by T1 Rocky See Profile :

And where is the fiber network the telcos promised the government would be built before 2004 back in 1996?
They built it. They never promised FTTH. They promised a fiber backbone and we got it. Hence the glut in fiber until just the last year or so.
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said by nixen See Profile :

So, what's Dan Rather doing these days?
Nice interview segment with Dan about "the incident":

»www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar/
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Bruce Kushnick cares because he has had it in for big telco for years and has based his whole business(teletruth.org) on it. But the average person reading a newspaper could care less and the reporters and editors for those papers put in them what people are interested in. So that is why the press doesn't care - they aren't on some quest to destroy an industry like Bruce is.
Whoa! Are you kidding me? Your going to slam Kushnick for bringing this up? Damn that bastard for pointing out that astroturf campaigns exist and are unethical???!?!!?!??! I commend him for being the only one who does the research and exposes these companies for what they are!!!

And think about these stories and the media. They would be block buster news reports. America loves seeing people caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Look at Dateline to catch a predator. We love it because we love to see the looks on their faces when they realize they are absolutely cold busted and all the indusputable evidence is laif out on the table in front of them. These astro turf campaigns would do the exact same things to corporate America. So why doesn't the media bite off on it?
How much is AT&T and Verizon spending with teh networks in advertising? Is it millions or billions? Would you blow the whistle on your biggest client? So in the mean time we'll keep watching news reports about Sangina's pony hawk and who got voted off "idol" this week.

Come to think of it, did any of the major networks report that Ed Whitacre CEO of AT&T has sold $80 million in AT&T stock over the last 12 months and set him self up with a $170 million retirement? And where is the fiber network the telcos promised the government would be built before 2004 back in 1996? And what do the telcos get exactly for the LITERALLY hundreds of millions of dollars they have spent on lobbyists since 1996? »www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/cl···ear=2006

We all need to understand that the consumer is the loser in all of this. The consumer is the one still getting 500 kbps while the rest of the industrial world surfs at 20 Mbps at a quarter of the cost.

If anything we should be thanking Kushnick and I sure wish there was a way to get him a louder megaphone. As far as I can tell, he is single handedly the only watchdog group reporting on the telcos. It sure as hell isn't the government with all of those lobbying dollars getting passed around. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18300959 Tue, 08 May 2007 13:17:21 EDT Re: How about because no one cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18300487 nixen :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The press has almost never done what you claim they should do. From the earliest days of "yellow journalism", the press has always been nothing but a platform for advertisers and political parties. When they report the "truth", it is merely an accident.
There's a difference between reporting with an agenda and not bothering to do basic research. That is, if you're going to quote a source, for whatever reason, one should at least do a basic check on the veracity of the source's information (lest you end up with an embarrassing factual error that gives your news organization a black eye).
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said by KoolMoe See Profile :

True, Bruce is definitely one with an 'agenda' (one that I find not-without-foundation) but your comment is outside the point.
Traditional media is indeed falling apart. There just doesn't seem to be any actual research, much less investigation, of sources.
So, what's Dan Rather doing these days?
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The press has almost never done what you claim they should do. From the earliest days of "yellow journalism", the press has always been nothing but a platform for advertisers and political parties. When they report the "truth", it is merely an accident.
This is an interesting program that examines the issue:

»www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar/

It has some "political" context but I would suspect that there is enough blame to go around regardless of party...

Four hours, but it delves quite deeply into the reasons for the current situation.
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said by KoolMoe See Profile :

Traditional media is indeed falling apart. There just doesn't seem to be any actual research, much less investigation, of sources.

I guess it comes down to how these articles are written-up. Is there any disclosure that the sources are funded by the interested parties? If not, absolutely inexcusable. If that's the case, the media are simply whores for passing on thinly-guised advertising.

It's not about including stories people are interested in but doing so in a clear, balanced, and responsible manner.
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The press has almost never done what you claim they should do. From the earliest days of "yellow journalism", the press has always been nothing but a platform for advertisers and political parties. When they report the "truth", it is merely an accident.
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Traditional media is indeed falling apart. There just doesn't seem to be any actual research, much less investigation, of sources.

I guess it comes down to how these articles are written-up. Is there any disclosure that the sources are funded by the interested parties? If not, absolutely inexcusable. If that's the case, the media are simply whores for passing on thinly-guised advertising.

If they are putting out the arguments, balancing them with opposing viewpoints, and disclosing the funding and organization, then there's certainly no problem with reporting those stories.

It's not about including stories people are interested in but doing so in a clear, balanced, and responsible manner.
KM
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