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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : I found this...usefull if you want to see what your neighbors/boss  :D is paying.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://tax.ocgov.com/tcweb/search_page.asp?SessionCde=20&streetname=1617%20via%20calenduls&t_city=SC&date=6/28/2007%202:56:05%20PM" >tax.ocgov.com/tcweb/search_page.&middot;&middot;&middot;:05%20PM</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><b>sholling</b></A> : The inefficiency of rebuilding NO is yet another government fiasco. How many people and business do you think would choose to rebuild on land that sits below sea level if this wasn't a government bailout with a promise of endless future bailouts? Darn few! I don't have a huge problem with helping out with a 10 cents on the dollar (land value only) deal for those that will walk away and move to higher ground. Those with insurance won't be that badly hurt and those without really shouldn't get anything. Let the flooded areas go back to being wetlands.<br><br>  <br><SMALL>--<br>"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."<br>--FREDERIC BASTIAT--<br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : that's not quite what i think i'm advocating. and i don't see some righteous moral authority figure playing a role in this: it would probably just be another inefficiency. you guys might be right in that a deep recession would harm too many responsible livelihoods to ever end up resulting in something "better", but i guess i'm getting very pessimistic about the slow change approach. not enough people care, because they think (correctly, so far) they can get by without caring. how do you change that without affecting almost everyone?<br><br>i wonder how many houses in NO are being rebuilt with studs every 3ft instead of every 16in.<br><br>anyway, i understand your problems with my idea. what better ways are there to teach people about long term affects of short term rationalizations? (not rhetorical) <br><br>i'm not personally spread eagled to the winds of change, financially, but i'm not very insulated either. a deep recession would probably mean i'd have to move to find work, which would mean taking a huge hit on the sale price of our house. that, or a career change (on the scale of blue collar to white collar).<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : Yeah, what he ^ said. Plus Starschmucks dosen't franchise...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><b>sholling</b></A> : I've been sitting back and watching where this conversation is going and I can't hold my tongue anymore. I'm getting a little nauseous. Next thing you will be telling us is we just need a strong leader to create your little utopia. Someone to force people to do the things they don't want to do, but that you in your infinite wisdom KNOW are the right things. Maybe we could call our new leader Uncle Joe or chairman something, or something equally colorful. The important thing is to force people kicking and screaming into lifestyles that meet your idea of utopia no matter how much they hate it.  <br><br>You usually make a lot more sense than this.<br><SMALL>--<br>"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."<br>--FREDERIC BASTIAT--<br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : not true.<br><br>having less money might require people to buy groceries and eat "made" food rather than fast food. less fast food all the way around would be great for everyone. starbucks would drop franchises, etc.<br><br>any new car, even a prius, causes more harm to the environment in it's manufacture than almost any reasonably well upkept economy car puts out in it's lifetime of use. people buying less new cars is overall a good thing. people using cars less is much better.<br><br>rather than people commuting from the suburbs, they would either have to rent closer in to town (how are they going to afford the gas and the mortgage?), take public transport and drop the second car, or get a job closer to home. the squeeze would get them to change one way or another. those that won't would go bankrupt by ignoring the signs.<br><br>i can see where you're coming from, but i don't think you're thinking about as deep a recession as i am. we're talking about something on the scale of a Katrina, but in the financial markets (though possibly only in housing and those markets immediately adjacent, like residence construction, loans, etc).<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/348012"><b>cmaenginsb</b></A> : Hmmm, having less money is going to allow me to eat better?  That's a rich one.  The reality is it will force people to buy the less expensive, less healthy and more environmentally devasting mass produced crap that is sold in the markets.  <br><br>The same would be true of other choices as well.  You would see less new cars on the road as people can't afford the loans to buy them further increasing pollution.  Since housing costs would remain out of whack more and more people would be stuck commuting from the suburbs further increasing the problem.  <br><br>You idea of a reccession is just as utopian as the one you want to take the clue bat to.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : well, the public corruption in NO was part and parcel of the general failure. again, i see it as an experiment: if the corruption lasts or gets worse, then that's a data point for crisis rebuilding being nothing particularly useful to hope for. <br><br>and i don't think "you try the socratic method only for so long before you start itching for the clue bat" as a punitive "undertone".<br><br>wouldn't it be great if only the red states had to pony up for the national debt? well, unfortunately, the closest thing to that is a general recession. or, that's the closest the citizens will get to really, personally owning the national debt.<br><br>and, in the end, i'm not a believer in maslow's pyramid and certainly not pol pot's purification. but i also don't think very highly of baby stepping an irresponsible population through self-wrought suffering. historically, the US has found ways to get through wide-spread recessions better off on the other end. appreciably so. we've seen how badly the nation reacts to more localized issues (of which NO might be one, it's a very interesting data point), so maybe it HAS to be wide spread. hmm, but how much did anyone learn from the dot com bubble pop? <br><br>ug, now i truly AM babbling. good night.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : The Bunster is high fiving you from the LBC for that Maslow reference.<br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : There's a punitive undertone in your theme - "A recession will show 'em.  Being out of work will make them come around to my way of thinking."  <br><br>While I appreciate your idealism (and some of your ideals), the notion that a speed bump in the economy would somehow be a catalyst for more efficient government, better transportation projects or spur people to act differently about commuting is ... well, naive at best.<br><br>A robust economy will support public transportation projects or alternative fuels or group tree hugs or non-toxic rat traps or whatever else your cause is.  What's lacking is public support.  In a recession, you will lack both the funds <I>and</I> have a public far more concerned about the lower layers of Maslow's hierarchy than lofty social ideals.<br><br>edit: Forgot the New Orleans part.<br><br>New Orleans has been a cesspool of public corruption and government inefficiency for decades at the expense of its poorest citizens.  Now, it's just a cesspool, degenerating into a crimefest that's being paved over by tourism promotion and sunny reports of progress.  A broad US recession or a local one would be nothing like what is going on in New Orleans.  A more logical comparison would be a large-scale natural disaster - the big one.  Again, I think that's punitive.  Biblical, vengeful God stuff.  Returning everyone to a primitive state to teach them a lesson and build a new society is right out of Pol Pot's playbook.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>A free market addresses most of ills you mention.<br><br>"Irresponsible" borrowers lose their investments.<br>Lenders who take on too much risk lose money.<br>Investors in REITs or lenders lose share value.<br><br></DIV> this all happens in spades, and all at once, when a recession hits. if it's piecemeal, i don't think enough people take notice (even when it hits THEM).<br><br><div class="bquote">What governmental inefficiencies would be excised by a recession?  What individual priorities would be changed?  People need to earn a living, eat, buy a home and save for the future.  Governments need to self-sustain.  Recession = less money for both = more debt for all and more hardship for those least able/willing to cope.</DIV> inefficiencies like funding new highway extension instead of more effective public transport where it can be used the most. inefficiencies like having multiple departments overseeing the same spending project. ear marks, pork barreling, using federal and state agencies to enforce private or civil actions, general bloat/ineffective incumbents. if the recession is bad enough, government will be put under a microscope (or possibly given too much power... hmmm.) and i would hope the chumps would be voted out. <br><br>individual priorities: people would be forced to make better choices about where they live and work, what they drive, what they eat, how much they save, and would have to make harder decisions about their future. <br><br>you're probably right about the hardship hitting the least able the hardest.. but i'm not sure they aren't a proportionally appropriate part of the problem. and i think they have the most to gain from a reorganization. <br><br><div class="bquote">Not sure how New Orleans fits into this at all.</DIV> no imagination. NO is an experiment about how well both public and private funding/labor can rebuild an infrastructure hit by some critical, general failure. theirs was across the board, where a recession might not reach as far as actual physical destruction. i think the approaches would have to be similar if there was a big enough recession. the question is: will what they come up with be substantively better than NO pre katrina (which might mean a much smaller city). if not, then maybe a recession would spell doom.<br><br>the real question is: do you want a recession where things might get a bit hairy but some dramatic changes for the better might occur, or do you want to slowly reach the same low point through application of same-old same-old and hope the bounce will somehow materialize then? <br><br><div class="bquote">The only way to build a more solid structure is to not build on swampy land below sea level. <br> </DIV> right. what's the best way to make that point to a society of financial swamp dwellers?<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : For my 2006 taxes, I was able to deduct about $49k for my interest payments.  And I didn't even include my property taxes...cause I couldn't find the dern paperwork fast enough so I filed with the lower numbers.<br><br>(One of the loan programs I was in for about 6 months was an interest-only deal).  I refi-ed out of that into a more standard 30 year fixed (more like a 30 year fixed amortized over 40 with a baloon due @ 30).  Obviously I plan on refinancing out of this one or selling before that.<br><br>Just ran some customized comps...<br><br>10 properties: (Avg SOLD price / avg sq. ft) = avg $ per sq. ft * my sq. ft = potential list price) and I came up with $600k.  Since it's based on actuals, not LIST price I think I can play with it a little bit due to my properties "extras" and get what I've wanted which is at least $650k.  Wife finally decided to agree with me on moving out of state, so we're putting things in motion to sell.  I'll take the profit and put it down on a foreclosure in Colorado, get a conforming fixed 30 and cut my payment in half for a larger place.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : I'm not getting your point.  <br><br>A free market addresses most of ills you mention.<br><br>"Irresponsible" borrowers lose their investments.<br>Lenders who take on too much risk lose money.<br>Investors in REITs or lenders lose share value.<br><br>What governmental inefficiencies would be excised by a recession?  What individual priorities would be changed?  People need to earn a living, eat, buy a home and save for the future.  Governments need to self-sustain.  Recession = less money for both = more debt for all and more hardship for those least able/willing to cope.<br><br>Not sure how New Orleans fits into this at all.  The feds, along with state & local, are subsidizing the rebuilding of the economy to regain the tax revenue stream.  Investors and local business people are putting money into rebuilding in the hope of getting a return on the investment.  Homeowners are putting their own money into rebuilding just to have a place to live and because it's home.<br><br>The only way to build a more solid structure is to not build on swampy land below sea level. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>What the hell good would that do?<br> </DIV> my hope is that it would force the general public to switch their priorities around to where some of the more entrenched inefficiencies of government and social infrastructure would be... excised. i think a lot of irresponsible borrowers need to have their actions checked, and i don't know of a good way for that to reach high enough to cause change without it being a pretty big recession. <br><br>New Orleans is (now) a bit of an experiment on this very topic: if things get really bad and there is a general failure or crisis, can a rebuilding effort be created by our current society (us) that constructs a more solid structure on the ashes of what came before?<br><br>granted, NO is teaching us, so far, that the answer is no, but maybe CA is different enough from LA that we can't draw a clear conclusion, then again, any general housing recession might hit the los angeles area harder than anywhere else in the US, and maybe what NO teaches us is that if a crisis is too localized, the rest of the country couldn't give a rat's ass. <br><br>anyway, point being: you try the socratic method only for so long before you start itching for the clue bat. a recession might be the perfect swing.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : I guess it is a good time to buy...bad time to sell and if someone could get financing in the past is out of luck.<br><br>Has anyone seen any data regarding sales of appliances,groceries,moving companies and so on...with all the foreclosures going on I wonder are those people renting,leasing,moving in with relatives?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : That's good info, i'm glad Century21 is telling it like it is. Also as rates continue to rise affordability will keep shrinking, especially in the subprime market. People are going to be in shock when they start getting quotes of 8%-12% for their first mortgage rates.<br><br>With our negative savings rate, most first time buyers are finding 100% loans all but gone, and not having 5%-10% for down payments is going to continue to push home prices down further...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>i'd love to see a huge recession... i just don't think the various pressures are going to allow for one.<br> </DIV>What the hell good would that do?  Why would you wish for millions to be thrown out of work and for any of your long-term investments to take a hit?<br><br>I'm all for moderation in housing prices.  An inflated speculative market (housing or otherwise) can't be sustained and while a few profit, the overall benefit is dubious.  I'd rather see modest, sustained growth.  That's just a personal preference, though.<br><br>But I sure as heck don't want to see the economy hit a wall and take out the bottom rung of the wage ladder in the process.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : Here's an article the local "sales" team provided me today.  It's supposedly going out in the next Century 21 Magazine some time next week.<br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by Mark and Al - Century 21 Realtor Article :</SMALL><HR>State of the Market<br>Cooling market and rising interest rates; is the window of opportunity closing for both buyers and sellers? <br><br>With recent economic factors having a significant impact on the real estate market both buyers and sellers want to know how they will be impacted. Each is hoping the market is tilting in their favor; but who will have the upper hand? First we&#146;ll look at some of those factors and then we&#146;ll discuss the way we see them impacting both sides. Amongst the factors we&#146;ll discuss are inventory, foreclosure rates, availability (or lack of availability) of loans, interest rates, trends, local market statistics, as well as some of the perceptions we have experienced from both buyers and sellers. For the purposes of this publication we&#146;ll attempt to be as concise as possible, (as hard as it is for us), so for those of you needing more detailed answers or having further questions, we absolutely invite your calls and emails! <br><br>Inventory: We track the local inventory carefully and with the exception of a slight decrease from late last year through February 2007 inventory has steadily increased for several years, and with the loss of the &#147;sub-prime&#148; loan programs, (as discussed in our previous issues), we noticed a spike in inventory during March which hasn&#146;t let up. For example, as of early June 2007 the inventory of homes for sale in Covina, Glendora, and Claremont have increased 35-40% above the levels of late February.<br><br>Foreclosures: Reports indicate that during the first quarter of 2007 mortgage lenders in California sent out the highest number of default notices in a decade. With so many properties in default it appears that more property will soon be on the market.<br><br>Loans: Although there are many loans available for those with great credit and a sizeable down-payment, the availability of loans for those with low credit scores, difficult to document income, or little to zero down-payment are much harder to obtain. <br><br>Interest Rates: The buyers that can obtain a loan are beginning to see an increase in interest rates and in fact interest rates for the standard fixed-rate loan have increased approximately &frac12; percent since the beginning of April. <br> <br>Trends: According to recent reports from the California Association of Realtor, home sales statewide decreased by 27.8% in April as compared with the same period a year ago. C.A.R.&#146;s unsold inventory index for April was 10 months (almost double that of a year earlier). The National Association of Realtors trimmed its sales forecast for the forth straight month and said it now expected prices would drop more than previously forecast.<br><br>Local statistics: Our local Multiple Listing Service reported a) The highest number of homes for sale in 8 years, b) The monthly supply of homes doubling from the same period last year to 13.2 months, and c) An increase of over 46% in the average number of days on the market to 79 days. <br> <br><br>Although a lot of the recent news and statistics may not be happy news, we are pleased to see that some of the big boys and the media are finally fessing up to the realities and trends of the market. (Trends and statistics that we have been reporting to our customers for the past 2-3 years!)<br><br>So, as promised, let&#146;s take a look at the implications of the above on both buyers and sellers;<br><br>Sellers&#133; <br>Many sellers are in denial and have yet to realize that it has become a buyer&#146;s market. They seem to keep hoping there will be some miraculous reversal and return to a hot seller&#146;s market. However, the market has been softening for at least two years, (locally anyway), and the fact is that a large percentage of the buyer pool simply evaporated after March because of the drastic changes to the home mortgage market. This coupled with the many other factors discussed above force sellers to price competitively or risk lingering on the market with little or no chance of selling. We don&#146;t anticipate any price increases in the foreseeable future. Over-pricing now will simply add one more un-saleable listing to the existing over-supply of inventory. However, sellers willing to price competitively can sell, and even with the over-supply of inventory certain property types will garner a lot of interest and even multiple offers, just not like 3 to 5 years ago. A good agent with many years of experience, (we recommend at least 10 years selling a minimum of 20 homes per year), can best advise you where to price and if your property is of the type that will generate a lot of interest. Sellers that have equity and looking to buy another home should not hesitate as any loss they may actually incur or perceive will be made up by the seller on their replacement purchase. In general, our best advice to a seller that doesn&#146;t have a strong desire or need to sell is simply not to list their home for sale at the present time.<br><br>Buyers&#133; <br>Some buyers have been sitting and waiting for an opportunity to buy low and save money. That window is closing fast! Don&#146;t expect interest rates to do a u-turn and improve real soon, and it could get worse before it gets better. With interest rates on the rise waiting may actually cost a buyer more! Prices may soften further but by waiting to purchase, the cost of owning a home with higher payments caused by increasing interest rates could cost a buyer thousands! Furthermore, although most buyers we talk to think prices will drop further, wanting that to happen doesn&#146;t guarantee that they will! Buyers should consider that on an average priced home a buyer may need to see values drop another $50,000 just to break even, so delaying a purchase now probably doesn&#146;t make financial sense. First-time buyers should be motivated even further by calculating how much money they are throwing away on rent and having no tax write off. There are many homes to choose from and it is a buyer&#146;s market. That being said, buyers should not get too cocky or aggressive with their offers when they see a home they really like, because as mentioned in the seller&#146;s commentary, there are certain property types that will continue to receive multiple offers. Again, this is where the advice of an experienced and trustworthy agent can be the difference between success and failure. In general, our best advice to a buyer is to buy now, play safe and secure a good fixed rate loan, and then plan to enjoy the property until the market gets back into another upward cycle; it&#146;s simply a matter of time. <br><br>*Investors (large multi-unit apartments, commercial, retail, office space, etc)&#133;<br>These markets move and react differently than the single family home market, have totally different financing options, and need to be evaluated by an expert. To discuss your options in these arenas contact Al Jafarkani, our resident expert with over 20 years of experience.<br><br>Today&#146;s market is extremely complex! We are absolutely committed to providing the best advice and information to each individual customer given their situation and goals. We will continue to bring you valuable information and our market insights. We need your continued support and referrals and we earnestly invite your questions and feedback. Please keep them coming! <br><br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>In this era of historic low rates any moderate rise is going to put the hurt on the consumer. </DIV> but it'll be a good hurt. deserved, anyway.<br><br>and by people coming here to spend, i wasn't talking about workers, just vacationers and retirees. there's a lot of money dumped here just because people want to come here (the US).<br><br>i'd love to see a huge recession... i just don't think the various pressures are going to allow for one.<br> </DIV>Actually the realtors are part of the problem....each home sale the price goes up 3-6%...I remember in the late 80's and around 93 a house would resell three times in a year and end up reselling the fourth time 150k more than it did a year before....no value was added..and it did not take long for that same house to drop 150k in value.<br><br>If we had a huge recession a lot of large websites like this one would loose a lot of traffic and revenue...and shut down or become a subscription site.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>In this era of historic low rates any moderate rise is going to put the hurt on the consumer. </DIV> but it'll be a good hurt. deserved, anyway.<br><br>and by people coming here to spend, i wasn't talking about workers, just vacationers and retirees. there's a lot of money dumped here just because people want to come here (the US).<br><br>i'd love to see a huge recession... i just don't think the various pressures are going to allow for one.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Kibbles <A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>btw I was told Lending Tree recently laid off close to 400 employee's...the person working on my mortgage at Lending Tree said at least it isn't 1,300 being laid off. :p<br> </DIV>&raquo;<A HREF="http://ml-implode.com/" >ml-implode.com/</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : Well I just signed up for  a 7/1 ARM at 7% with a 19k pre-payment penalty...amount financed is 556k...it was appraised at 696k....a realtor already wants to sell it for 850k.  :D two months ago another realtor wanted to put it up for sale for 699k. <br>I don't know about the rest of the markets...but it seems that if you have a house or are purchasing one it is best to "ride" out the slump...but try to buy it as low as possible.<br><br>I watched those two videos...it seems no one really knows what will happen with the economy and housing market next year...btw I was told Lending Tree recently laid off close to 400 employee's...the person working on my mortgage at Lending Tree said at least it isn't 1,300 being laid off. :p]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>fun to watch, but <B>i didn't get much out of it</B>.<br></DIV>... :huh:<br><br>Some more sobering news today...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/id/191777" >www.cnbc.com/id/191777</A><br><br><div class="bquote">america as a consumer can still function if a bunch of people want to come to america to consume (and they do).<br> </DIV>If you're referring to immigrants and minimum wage workers, I hardly see how that will buoy the economy. We already have 1 foot in the recession bucket with paltry GDP #'s in the 1st quarter and the inverted yield curve of the past year, almost w/o exception tells us that we are headed for recession. The 2nd quarter #'s along with continued downward #'s from retailers will clearly tell us if the American consumer is on the ropes...<br><br><div class="bquote"> america is also leveraging WIPO so that our main export, research and development, gets compensated rather than acquired... though that's at the pleasure of the other governments.<br></DIV>lol, our main export is consumer spending (70% GDP) courtesy of foreign central banks buying our treasuries (especially China) and interest rates have to continue to rise to attract their money.<br><br>"The Dow Jones industrials plunged more than 100 points after <B>the yield on the 10-year Treasury note soared as high as 5.27 percent, a five-year high. The climb in bond yields exacerbated jitters about mortgage rates rising, which could hurt the already sluggish housing market, and about the Federal Reserve hiking interest rates, which would slow down corporate deal-making</B>".<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/id/5965814/for/cnbc/" >www.cnbc.com/id/5965814/for/cnbc/</A><br><br><div class="bquote">sticking with housing in southern cal... until there is a real drop in demand, and i don't mean just a petering out of buying power, the prices aren't going to drop appreciably. same thing with rent. the most they'll do is slightly correct along with buying power.<br></DIV>The problem is that the remaining demand can't afford the current prices, even the demand of the last 5 years can't afford their homes which is why foreclosures and inventory are steadily climbing.<br><br> Not to mention the pull back in easy credit that is currently taking place. In an era of historical low interest rates people were buying house they couldn't afford, houses they never intended to live in (specuvestors/flippers turned floppers).<br><br>It's one thing to afford a $500k house with a 1.95% start rate, it's something else when that loan resets to 6.5% (prime borrower)...<br><br>Today's rates<br><B><br>Today  |     6.79%  |     6.49%    |      6.10%<br></B><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.hsh.com/mtghst.html" >www.hsh.com/mtghst.html</A><br><br><div class="bquote">now, if the war ends and the defense contracts go away (there is some evidence that they won't), and there is a recession, and jobs dry up... then we can expect a major disruption.<br></DIV>I think you'll see that all these things will combine for the disruption, and not a single factor alone...<br><br><div class="bquote"> interest rate will go up, but they aren't going to balloon to historic highs.<br> </DIV>We definitely agree on this, however they don't need to go to historic highs to cause problems. In this era of historic low rates any moderate rise is going to put the hurt on the consumer.<br><br>Like mentioned earlier, home prices are reverting to the mean (they always do), over 50% of home purchases and refi's in CA of the last several years were ARM's which will reset over the coming years.<br><br>All these things combined don't look too good right now...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : fun to watch, but i didn't get much out of it.<br><br>america as a consumer can still function if a bunch of people want to come to america to consume (and they do). america is also leveraging WIPO so that our main export, research and development, gets compensated rather than acquired... though that's at the pleasure of the other governments. <br><br>sticking with housing in southern cal... until there is a real drop in demand, and i don't mean just a petering out of buying power, the prices aren't going to drop appreciably. same thing with rent. the most they'll do is slightly correct along with buying power.<br><br>now, if the war ends and the defense contracts go away (there is some evidence that they won't), and there is a recession, and jobs dry up... then we can expect a major disruption. interest rate will go up, but they aren't going to balloon to historic highs.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : Here's some video from CNBC this morning on housing and the economy...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=372314164&play=1" >www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=3&middot;&middot;&middot;4&play=1</A><br><br>And some Peter Schiff from 10 days ago...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNBC-6-1-07_lg.asp" >www.europac.net/Schiff-CNBC-6-1-07_lg.asp</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:57:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>interesting news, but i still don't buy the surge in new apartment building.<br><br>and a drop in increasing rental rates is not a plummet in rental price.<br><br>call me when the prices (not the growth rate) drops.<br> </DIV>Increases in apartments is only part of the increase in total supply. We still have a couple million vacant houses in this country in additon to the new housing units that are coming online. If the trend continues it will be fairly soon that the rent increases will stop...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : interesting news, but i still don't buy the surge in new apartment building.<br><br>and a drop in increasing rental rates is not a plummet in rental price.<br><br>call me when the prices (not the growth rate) drops.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:16:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  sholling <A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>So with vacancy rates below 4% and almost no new apartment construction in decades rents will plummet? I think that with the continuing massive influx of immigrants adding to the population, plus with the propensity of humans to reproduce filling rental housing faster than it can be built that <B>you will see at least 5-10% increases for the foreseeable future</B>.<br> </DIV>Rents decreasing, rents flat - yes, rents plummeting, not my words.<br><br>It doesn't specifically have to be apartments, condos and SFR's all equal housing units, and the <I><B>total supply is increasing, on top of the tremendous vacant supply that already exists</B></I>...<br> </DIV><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>no it's not.<br> </DIV>I was catching up on <A HREF="http://blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/">John Lansners real estate blog</A> this morning, and he had a quick tidbit on Orange County rents from 6/7...<br><br>'Pretty dramatic' cooling of growth hits O.C. rents<br><br>"Rent tracker Axiometrics has a stunning stat out: Its measure of rents at large O.C. apartment complexes shows what it calls "effective rent" -- typical rents minus typical concessions -- growing at 2.5 percent a year in this second quarter vs. 7.2 percent a year ago. A "pretty dramatic" drop, says Axiometrics' Ron Johnsey. (Without concessions, <B>rent hikes fell from 9.3 percent to 4.7 percent in a year!</B>) Factors behind what amounts to landlords losing two-thirds of their pricing power, in Johnsey's eyes, are: <B>slower job growth, cutting renter's ability to pay; a surge in new apartment building, boosting competition; and growing counts of vacant homes being rented out</B>, extra competition. Axiometrics tracks 70,000 units in O.C. It found 4.4 percent of those units vacant in this quarter vs. 3.9 percent a year ago".<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/archives/2007/06/pretty_dramatic_c_1.html" >blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/arc&middot;&middot;&middot;c_1.html</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.aptresearch.com/news/Early_Edition_Summary.pdf" >www.aptresearch.com/news/Early_E&middot;&middot;&middot;mary.pdf</A><br><br>Also the 10 year treasury is climbing, along with long term mortgage rates, and with an increase in mortgage resets about to take place, this should get even more interestin...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  sholling <A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>So with vacancy rates below 4% and almost no new apartment construction in decades rents will plummet? I think that with the continuing massive influx of immigrants adding to the population, plus with the propensity of humans to reproduce filling rental housing faster than it can be built that you will see at least 5-10% increases for the foreseeable future.<br> </DIV>Rents decreasing, rents flat - yes, rents plummeting, not my words.<br><br>It doesn't specifically have to be apartments, condos and SFR's all equal housing units, and the total supply is increasing, on top of the tremendous vacant supply that already exists...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><b>sholling</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  sholling <A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Supply will keep rents in check...<br> </DIV>Which is why rents in Orange and LA counties are going up 8-9% an year? <br> </DIV>Sure, heretofore, but that won't continue...<br> </DIV>So with vacancy rates below 4% and almost no new apartment construction in decades rents will plummet? I think that with the continuing massive influx of immigrants adding to the population, plus with the propensity of humans to reproduce filling rental housing faster than it can be built that you will see at least 5-10% increases for the foreseeable future.<br><SMALL>--<br>"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."<br>--FREDERIC BASTIAT--<br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  sholling <A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Supply will keep rents in check...<br> </DIV>Which is why rents in Orange and LA counties are going up 8-9% an year? <br> </DIV>Sure, heretofore, but that won't continue...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : rental supply is not going up anywhere near the same rise in demand. and won't, till some zoning things happen. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><b>sholling</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Supply will keep rents in check...<br> </DIV>Which is why rents in Orange and LA counties are going up 8-9% an year? It must be all that new land that they are making isn't it? Seriously, rents may go up or down in less desirable areas with tons of available land and housing, Ohio might be a good example. But for those in LA and OC, and the less remote inland areas the choices are simple - pay skyrocketing rents or drive for hours to get to a job that pays anything. Add in the refusal of many cities to accept more apartment construction, plus the slow-growthers and you have a sure fire formula for rising rents.<br><SMALL>--<br>"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."<br>--FREDERIC BASTIAT--<br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I say that to say, there may be fewer rentals on the market, not more.  And there will dang sure be more folks looking to rent after being shown the eviction door.  (Not many landlords will rent to anyone that has an eviction on their record) Thus <I>increasing</I> the cost of renting.<br> </DIV>There is huge built-in oversupply in the market. Flippers and specuvestors bought housing with no intention of ever living in them, so they are mostly vacant anyway.<br><br>Sure some of them will carry with a loss, and REO's will eventually get worked back into the system, not to mention the housing units that are completing now and those coming online in the near future.<br><br>Builders are writing off losses and land options as fast as they can, but, they still have to keep building to stay in business.<br><br>Supply will keep rents in check...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : During the last Real Estate Bubble/Crash, I didn't see any REO's for "rent".  Don't think lending institutions holding REO's are in the rental land-lording business.  Doesn't make any sense for them to rent out homes they have taken back in foreclosure. At least they were not renting them out last go round.  <br><br>And very unlike last time, I would imagine most owners in trouble are so upside down in equity, and screwed with escalating payments, that "renting it out" would be a non-option.  How can one carry a $3500/Mo note + all expenses and maintenance, and the rental market is $2K/Mo?<br><br>The "so-called" RE experts of the last few years, you know, the guys who <STRIKE>speculated</STRIKE> "Flipped" properties, are walking away from the ones they had left on the table when the music stopped.  Those wont be "rented" either.  Just left in the trash basket for the new RTC to dispose of.<br><br>I say that to say, there may be fewer rentals on the market, not more.  And there will dang sure be more folks looking to rent after being shown the eviction door.  (Not many landlords will rent to anyone that has an eviction on their record) Thus <I>increasing</I> the cost of renting.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>It makes sense though.  As more people lose (or leave) their homes, what do they do?  If they can't afford to buy another home, they rent.  So as foreclosures rise, rental availability decreases.  Due to the increased demand, rental rates increase.</DIV>As I just mentioned in my previous post, when rental supply increases, rent decreases...and rental supply is currently increasing.<br><br>This country has some 2 million vacant homes out there today, and supply is increasing everyday, this gives the consumers lots of choice and forces landlords to compete, and they can only compete on price...<br><br>"With so many vacant homes for sale, owners will begin to offer them for rent, said Asha Bangalore, an economist for Northern Trust. If the supply of rentals rises, rental prices should begin to come down, helping to bring down core inflation."<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/number-vacant-homes-sale-surges/story.aspx?guid=%7BA09A933D-57BA-4583-BDF7-6E000DF9E74D%7D" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/n&middot;&middot;&middot;9E74D%7D</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : Right.  They are all sort of out of sync.  As mortgage rates from ARMS increase, those people can't afford their homes any longer.  When they first were buying homes with no money down, then rents were comparable to purchasing to a home.  As time went own, rent's stayed constant - you can't increase the rent during the lease - and home prices increased.  Now homes are declining somewhat and people cant' pay their mortgages and rent will rise.  It's going to make life very difficult for many people.  Right now, my mortgage payment is about what rent is.  If I rent an apartment, I pay the same, but I get no equity.<br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  coxta <A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Rent's don't always decrease.  As housing prices increased, the rental prices stayed close to the same, the had already increased.  Now, as fewer people are able to purchase homes, rental prices increase.  It seems a bit counter-intuitive, but that's the way it seems to have worked here in L.A.  <br><br>Where do I come about this information?  I have connections with a group that does all types of real estate ventures, residential and commercial property sales, and property management.<br> </DIV>It makes sense though.  As more people lose (or leave) their homes, what do they do?  If they can't afford to buy another home, they rent.  So as foreclosures rise, rental availability decreases.  Due to the increased demand, rental rates increase.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : Rent's don't always decrease.  As housing prices increased, the rental prices stayed close to the same, the had already increased.  Now, as fewer people are able to purchase homes, rental prices increase.  It seems a bit counter-intuitive, but that's the way it seems to have worked here in L.A.  <br><br>Where do I come about this information?  I have connections with a group that does all types of real estate ventures, residential and commercial property sales, and property management.<br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Kibbles <A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>      :</SMALL><br><br>The company that handles the sale of much of the real estate in my area seems to think that over the next 24 months, based on their knowledge of the local market and their recent activity, it's either going to stay about where it is, or get worse.  It will not get better.<br><br>Why couldn't we have something in place that could protect homeowners that aren't in default - or at least segregate <br></DIV>A Realtor that specializes in this area e-mailed me the same opinion that prices will stay the same or even drop...I read that the prices are expected to drop a total of 7% over the next 2 years...yikes...there goes ~ 50k.<br><br>With the amount of Foreclosures,dropping prices,..you can use those as comps and ask for a reduced property assessment...thus reducing your property taxes.<br><br>The question I have is where the rental/lease prices will go...up or down?<br>I was thinking that a lot of Foreclosures could be avoided by leasing the house out...the owner could be taking a small loss per month..but they could be able to keep it long enough to sell it when the prices rise.<br><br>Too bad there is no state/federal program that could help a homeowner stay out of a Foreclosure.<br> </DIV>In a declining market, rents typically go down, because of the increased supply in rental units. Secondly most people don't have enough money to carry a second residence without relying on MEW, and most rentals don't cash flow above $200/sqft<br><br>I'd expect a lot of market areas to decrease 3%-7% per year for the next 3 years, or about 15%-20%. What will trigger the snowball effect will be banks and their non-performing assets. <br><br>There used to be a program that did a decent job of preventing foreclosures, they use to call it <I>Traditional Lending Standards</I><br><br>You know, where you could comfortably afford a home that was 3x-4x your income - When the median income for most of SoCal is in the $50k-$75k range, it's easy to do the math.<br><br>For housing to get back to a normal equilibrium, prices have to fall further than the 15-20% I'm predicting. We'll just have to wait and see...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>     :</SMALL><BR><BR>The company that handles the sale of much of the real estate in my area seems to think that over the next 24 months, based on their knowledge of the local market and their recent activity, it's either going to stay about where it is, or get worse.  It will not get better.<br><br>Why couldn't we have something in place that could protect homeowners that aren't in default - or at least segregate <br></DIV>A Realtor that specializes in this area e-mailed me the same opinion that prices will stay the same or even drop...I read that the prices are expected to drop a total of 7% over the next 2 years...yikes...there goes ~ 50k.<br><br>With the amount of Foreclosures,dropping prices,..you can use those as comps and ask for a reduced property assessment...thus reducing your property taxes.<br><br>The question I have is where the rental/lease prices will go...up or down?<br>I was thinking that a lot of Foreclosures could be avoided by leasing the house out...the owner could be taking a small loss per month..but they could be able to keep it long enough to sell it when the prices rise.<br><br>Too bad there is no state/federal program that could help a homeowner stay out of a Foreclosure.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : The company that handles the sale of much of the real estate in my area seems to think that over the next 24 months, based on their knowledge of the local market and their recent activity, it's either going to stay about where it is, or get worse.  It will not get better.<br><br>Why couldn't we have something in place that could protect homeowners that aren't in default - or at least segregate them?<br><br>For instance.  I'll assume most of you know how "comps" work.  The appraisal value of a home is based on a number of factors such as lot size, # bedrooms, # bathrooms, square footage, etc.<br><br>Why don't foreclosures of a particular set of properties only affect properties of similar type?  So a foreclosure of a 5 bedroom home doesn't affect the 3 bedroom homes, and vice-versa.  Or for that matter, have it only affect the homes that are financed by that lender.  If they lend to a risky borrower it could affect their whole portfolio - so it might have the same effect as what is happening to the lending rules today - only limited to the companies who took the risks in the first place.<br><br>It wouldn't solve the problem - but it might even the spread a little bit.  Why should the foreclosure of a 2 bedroom bungalow affect the price of my 5 bedroom mansion?<br><br>Just a thought.  I am just throwing it out there.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : China could sell off all their T-bills  :o  all 200+ billion dollars worth.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Kibbles <A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Well next year is an election year..I wonder will that effect the market if say we get a multi-billion dollar national health care program...and/or the now defunct sub-prime lending companies still around next year get bailed out?<br> </DIV>Can't be much worse than the current Trillion $ Iraq oil program.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I don't know what they will be 3-5 years from now, but I am satisfied the values will continue to decline for the next 24 Months.  Look at this:<br></DIV>Well next year is an election year..I wonder will that effect the market if say we get a multi-billion dollar national health care program...and/or the now defunct sub-prime lending companies still around next year get bailed out?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : I don't know what they will be 3-5 years from now, but I am satisfied the values will continue to decline for the next 24 Months.  Look at this:<br><br> Orange County Inventory (Sales)<br><br>Tracking Orange County, California<br><br>Population 2006: 3.07 million<br>1/02/2006 Listing per population ratio 1:422<br>7/30/2006 Listing per population ratio 1:176<br><br>01/2006: 8,430 (2,868)____01/2005: (2,903)<br>02/2006: 10,420 (2,928)___02/2005: (2,890)<br>03/2006: 11,762 (4,203)___03/2005: (5,033)<br>04/2006: 13,268 (3,276)___04/2005: (4,547)<br>05/2006: 15,048 (3,113)___05/2005: (4,548)<br>06/2006: 16,692 (3,608)___06/2005: (4,898)<br>07/2006: 17,458 (2,779)___07/2005: 6,656 (4,341)<br>08/2006: 17,758 (3,203)___08/2005: 7,209 (4,708)<br>09/2006: 17,475 (2,664)___09/2005: 8,044 (4,072)<br>10/2006: 16,650 (2,715)___10/2005: 8,565 (3,614)<br>11/2006: 15,188 (2,475)___11/2005: 8,520 (3,503)<br>12/2006: 13,220 (2,719)___12/2005: 7,583 (3,826)<br><br>Population 2007:<br>01/01/2007 Listing per population ratio 1:244<br><br>01/01: 12,600<br>01/31: 13,302 (2,400)___01/2006: 8,430 (2,868)<br>02/28: 13,704 (2,449)___02/2006: 10,420 (2,928)<br>03/31: 15,324 (3,130)___03/2006: 11,762 (4,203)<br>04/30: 17,094<br>05/10: 17,612<br><br>-ziprealty resale inventory includes SFR/Condo/MFR/Land Parcels<br>-(sale figure) includes new and resale homes from Data Quick News<br><br>1.The number of new listings on the market in Orange County are more than twice what they were 17 Months ago.  Plus, many of the homes listed in the interim have gone into foreclosure.(more inventory)<br><br>2. The mortgage rates are a full percentage higher now for borrowers with sterling credit.  The higher the rate goes, the less potential buyers can afford to pay. (less buyers)<br><br>3. Credit quality is sneaking back in lending, so no more "exotic" loans to folks that really couldn't afford it in the first place.  (Even less buyers)<br><br>4. The Default & foreclosures are steadily rising (more inventory)<br><br>5. The existing exotic loans that trigger automatic payment increases will come month after month now for at least another 5 years.  Many borrowers who were hoping against hope that magically their "income" would rise, or there would be continued "appreciation" in the home market, allowing them to re-fi into yet <I>another</I> exotic loan will wind up in REO status as well. (more inventory <I>and</I> less buyers)<br><br>Law of supply and demand*.<br><br>Right now the supply of homes for sale is increasing, and the demand of people that are "qualified" to buy, and want to buy is decreasing.  Therefore the prices will continue to drop IMO.<br><br>*For some unknown reason [/sarcasm], this "law" does not seem to apply to the Oil companies.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  nightdesigns <A HREF="/useremail/u/638243"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>We're starting to look at the housing market for our first place...<br> </DIV>All I can say is wait.  Give it 12 Months at least.<br> </DIV>Hmm...have you read/seen any articles supporting that...and what do they think the house prices will be... 3-5 years from now ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : All that sounds well and good, but in practice it happens this way.<br><br>You save money and acquire a down payment and then obtain a long term mortgage.  On average 30 years (although now I'm seeing 40 years mortgages).  When your house is paid off, all your money is in your home.  You may be able to take some of this equity out, but you still have to pay back the loan amount.  So your house rich and cash poor.<br><br>Having a home isn't bad, it's just not a terrific investment and it's probably best not to think of it as an investment - it's a place to live.<br><br>If you want to sell you home when you retire and move to another location with a lower cost of living then it makes a great investment.  You can cash out and live well.  If you lease it out, then you've got all your principle tied up or you can take out a 2nd mortgage and have a bolus of cash, but pay it off with the lease.  However, you have to always have a renter, because the mortgage is always due every month.  <br><br>I can have equities that pay dividends or I can cash out a portion each time I want cash.  You can't sell part of your house each time you want cash.  Also, when you buy real estate, you purchase something real and unless you're involved in some special investment scheme, you purchase the entire house, not a portion of it.  That is to say, you can buy 1 single stock or 10,000 stocks, but you can only buy a multiple of one house each time.<br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : there are larger tax benefits to investing in the property, especially when you sell, and i think if you could get 10% a year for 16 years, off of investments, you'd be a superstar/it would be 100% of your time. and i don't think you'd need to be anything special to get the return on the property. <br><br>but, getting the full rent out of the property might be the mitigating comparison factor.<br><br>stocks are much better if you can invest in them with some kind of retirement fund that won't charge you tax once you retire, but of course those are limited as to investment.<br><br>i think we're missing something in the calculation, but i can't put my finger on it right now. i do like the analysis.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : OK, this is a good Off-Topic topic, but I think it needs qualification. At least for my 2&cent; input.<br><br>First, a home (that one lives in) is not really an "investment".  It is a necessary expense, however, once the mortgage is paid off, it can lower the overall cost of living for the owner.  Lowering expenses is a better benefit than increasing income, and could be looked at as a "type" of investment.<br><br>So, lets make sure we are not clouding the issue between investments.  A stock/equity is usually an "appreciating" asset over time.  Investment real estate can be both an "appreciating" asset <I>and</I> a "performing" asset.  Stocks only "perform" if they happen to pay dividends.  Generally these dividends are re-invested.  About 66% of the S&P index companies pay dividends.  But the reality is an investor would need to invest in each dividend paying company <B>individually</B>, vs. a S&P fund.  <br><br>Now, Equities vs. investment real estate.  I would not include REIT's as investment real estate at all, as a REIT is a company, usually traded publicly, that manages a portfolio of real estate to earn profits for shareholders.  Therefor another equity.<br><br>Let's also be realistic about individual "investment windows" and "management time".  The days of Buy-and-forget stocks like AT&T, IBM, GM are long gone.  To minimize the management time, and equity investor would need to invest in a managed portfolio, such as one based on the S&P.  <br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by wikipedia--> &raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_management" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_management</A> :</SMALL><HR> <br>Mutual fund investors<br><br>Dalbar Inc., a market research company, found that during the 20 years from 1984 to 2004, the average stock fund investor earned returns of only 3.7% per year, while the S&P 500 returned 13.2%. On an inflation adjusted return, the average equity fund investor earned $13,835 on a $100,000 investment made in 1985, while the inflation adjusted return of the S&P 500 would have been $591,337 or 43 times greater.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>If one is seeking the type of return  coxta <A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> is speaking about, I would think it only fair to say "management time" would be equal between an equity investment and an income real estate investment. With respect to "investment window"; we all would like to have $100K to invest, and have that sit untouched for 50 or 75 years, where it becomes $10 Million.  But that isn't reality either.  Most of us have an investment window of 20-30 years.  From the time at dawns on us that one day we will be old, and may not be able to work, or want to work, to that day.  I will use a 25 year timeframe. Moreover, we need to equalize the investment for a better apples-to-apples comparison.<br><br>So, lets look at 2 investments, with 16-year Horizons.  One in S&P individual stocks, which must be managed, and the other in income real-estate, that must be managed as well.<br><br>Investment A: S&P stocks, amount: $100,000<br>Over 16 years @ 10.6% (with dividends reinvested) based on--> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.financial-planning.com/pubs/fp/20060601007.html" >www.financial-planning.com/pubs/&middot;&middot;&middot;007.html</A> )= In 16 years, the investment appreciation" will be worth <B>$541,165.</B><br><br>Investment B: Investment real estate, (20%)down payment: $100,000<br>Over 16 years @4.4% this investment "appreciation" will be worth $215,215.<br><br>However, Investment B has a "performing" component that should be added.  Rents will rise 5% every year, so this investment will kick off an additional $222,185 in gross profit, therefore putting Investment B at <B>$437,000</B><br><br>If we move our investment window's out to 25 years, when Investment B's mortgage is fully paid off, we have:<br><br>Investment A: Over 25 years @ 10.6% will be worth $1,399,030.<br><br>Investment B: Over 25 years @ 4.4% will be $299,813 + the original principal value (now retired debt) $400K = $699,813 + Performance over 25 years of $348,129 = $1,047,942.<br><br>Additionally, Investment B now performs to the tune of $108,000 in gross profit per year.<br><br>Investment A can become performing now by raking off the interest every year; kicking off $148,297 per year.<br><br>Obviously, there are a ton of assumptions here.  But I would say the equity investment is much more risky (and therefore a greater return overall).  The best thing to do is take your $200,000 and invest in both?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : Almost everyone who owns a home, owns stocks.  Not everyone who owns stocks, owns a home.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : inflation is not the reason why home prices go up, it's demand. the same thing with milk. and, generally, the same thing with stocks.<br><br>and i guess i'll say it one last time, every single graph/statistic/data that i've seen does not compare apples to apples when comparing the value of real estate to the value of, for instance, the dow. every single one is just comparing the sale price, and misses out on a much better number, ROI. even the graphs that SAY they are comparing ROI always just compare the DOW and/or the s&p. it's idiotic.<br><br>i'm sure there is a home grown index that's entirely made up of stocks that give dividends. comparing that, and the dividend payments, to the value of a house AND it's earning potential, would be an interesting graph.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : Actually stocks are wealth.  You own a portion of a company and there are corresponding certificates that validate the ownership.  Fund deposited in a bank aren't true wealth, since the bank holds the investment vehicles, but there is minimal coverage in the form of FDIC.  <br><br>If you own a home, the value appreciates, but your money is tied to your home and is only available with a refinance or equity loan, but it is a loan and you continue to pay.  Rental property can be income generating, but it requires more work and constant surveillance.  If you really want income property, think of a REIT.<br><br>As I mentioned before, there is a business cycle and a real estate cycle.  If you look at investment as a hedge against inflation, equities provide a historically more predictable and constant return that surpasses real estate.<br><br>Here is another way to think about it.  What causes a home price to increase?  Inflation.  There is no change in the home, just the underlying value of the land.  In reality, there is plenty of land.  Investing in a company is true growth.  Products and services are increased and they increase over inflation.  Price increases in real estate are like price increases in milk.  It's purely inflation.<br><br>Rhetoric versus fact?  If you have no data, you just have an opinion.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/08/26/weekinreview/27leon_graph2.large.gif" >graphics10.nytimes.com/images/20&middot;&middot;&middot;arge.gif</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2005/08/equities-vs-real-estate.html" >infoproc.blogspot.com/2005/08/eq&middot;&middot;&middot;ate.html</A><br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/991419"><b>Bloominite</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>(presumably, you wouldn't sleep in an investment property either, you'd want someone else to)<br> </DIV>You could be banging the tenant. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : (presumably, you wouldn't sleep in an investment property either, you'd want someone else to)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><b>sholling</b></A> : You also can't sleep in stock. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  coxta <A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Cash isn't an ideal investment scheme, you want wealth.  Wealth is a material or resource.  With stocks, you can sell some off and purchase newer investments that will increase in value.  Real estate isn't a bad investment, it's just more problematic.  You can buy insurance, but it only covers some of the cost of reimbursement.  Maintenance is continual,  it only earns a dividend if you have tenants,  it has to be managed and if you don't manage it yourself, then you pay a good portion of that income to someone else manage it.<br><br>Stocks are portable and you can control them remotely very easily;  you can get in and out;  you can take a trip for a year and not worry about your investment vehicle.  It's more like gambling, but if you set parameters to follow, then you can hedge your bets.  Overall, the net value of stocks increases more than real estate.   </DIV> wealth is not stocks, they are as close to cash as anything can possibly be. and the insurance doesn't cover "some", it covers "most", management doesn't cost a "good portion", and maintenance is deductible.<br><br>stocks are volatile, or, if you are in a mutual fund, you don't make the "value" of the stock and have to continually pay fees and taxes that bring you down below the "net" value of owning a rental property. <br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : Cash isn't an ideal investment scheme, you want wealth.  Wealth is a material or resource.  With stocks, you can sell some off and purchase newer investments that will increase in value.  Real estate isn't a bad investment, it's just more problematic.  You can buy insurance, but it only covers some of the cost of reimbursement.  Maintenance is continual,  it only earns a dividend if you have tenants,  it has to be managed and if you don't manage it yourself, then you pay a good portion of that income to someone else manage it.<br><br>Stocks are portable and you can control them remotely very easily;  you can get in and out;  you can take a trip for a year and not worry about your investment vehicle.  It's more like gambling, but if you set parameters to follow, then you can hedge your bets.  Overall, the net value of stocks increases more than real estate.  <br><br>There are times to be invested in real estate and you should be invested in stocks and bonds all the time.  Real estate has it's own unique business cycle.  I've had a lot of friends whose families initially invested in real estate and they eventually sold off most of the holdings to buy stocks.  It's just so much easier and the gain was better. <br><br>There are a few real estate investments that can potentially be ideal, such as owning a piece of property and having a long term lease.  One of my friends families owns land that some McDonald's sit on.  Now that, is just a pretty stable investment and return, but it's more serendipity than plan.<br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : like i said earlier, most of the stocks that make up those indexes don't pay you dividends. so, even if you choose correctly on the stock side, the most you have is the value of the stock.<br><br>if you invest in the real estate, you (can) get recurring income and tax breaks on the mere owning of the property. <br><br>oh, and you can't buy insurance to cover losses in stocks...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : If you look at long term valuation of real estate vs the stock market, it's clear that the stock market not only keeps up with inflation but surpasses it.  Real estate, however tempting does not have the save investment potential.<br><br> <IMG SRC="http://images.forbes.com/images/2005/05/26/0527home_1.jpg"> <br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><b>sholling</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Lovehound <A HREF="/useremail/u/1249789"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>  I'd qualify that less than 5 years probably won't make financial sense. Considering a possible price decline, renting makes more sense in that time frame. Beyond 5 years, buying a home is probably still a good investment. </DIV> That was my point about less than 5 year timeframes, but I think you put it more clearly.  The exception is when one finds a distress or panic sale. This is where spreadsheets come in handy. Run the numbers.<br><br><div class="bquote">Regarding the down payment, the old (and sage) advice is to go 20 percent down. This will also give you full control of your insurance payments and property taxes, although perhaps in recent times they may have loosened those requirements. Of course you'll have to mind your business about paying the insurance and taxes, but at least you're in the catbird seat.</DIV> You're dating yourself my friend. ;) In the good old days of our youth 20% was around $20k give or take. Today 20% is $80-120k. Almost impossible for first time home buyers to save while laying out $1000/mo in rent. The only penalty for a 5% FHA or GI loan is that you pay for morgage insurance (PMI) every month, and it's not all that expensive. They also protect you from stupidly creative financing and from signing contracts with prepayment penelties. <br><br><div class="bquote">So look hard for bargains, plan on living there 5 years (minimum),</DIV>Great advice. The best part about buying a home isn't the hoped for increase in value. That just gets eaten up when one upgrades. The best part is 30 years from now when you've got it paid off - is that it's paid off. <br><SMALL>--<br>"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."<br>--FREDERIC BASTIAT--<br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249789"><b>Lovehound</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  sholling <A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I'm going to partly agree with Dogma, but only partly. If you're looking for a short-term (less than 5 years) investment then you need to run the numbers see how the possibility of a 5% drop in value (I don't think it will be that bad), plus the 6% it will cost you to sell compares to the straight out loss of a year of a year or two of rent. I doubt they results will be pretty even after you factor in the tax advantage of owning.<br><br>But at the same time you should be looking hard for bargains. Distress sales, panic sales etc, while avoiding any temtation to explore creative financing.<br> </DIV>This is really good advice. However, I'd qualify that less than 5 years probably won't make financial sense. Considering a possible price decline, renting makes more sense in that time frame. Beyond 5 years, buying a home is probably still a good investment.<br><br>Regarding the down payment, the old (and sage) advice is to go 20 percent down. This will also give you full control of your insurance payments and property taxes, although perhaps in recent times they may have loosened those requirements. Of course you'll have to mind your business about paying the insurance and taxes, but at least you're in the catbird seat.<br><br>So look hard for bargains, plan on living there 5 years (minimum), and put 20 percent down payment. It may sound like hard advice but it's good advice.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  coxta <A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>In the stocks vs real estate returns, stocks have always won, hands down.  For a five year investment, stocks will probably win out too.  </DIV> that's not true. you can only come to that conclusion by looking at a very superficial market value while neglecting other real, tangible economic benefits. not to mention that most of the growth stocks don't offer dividends so your risk stays high. further, if you leverage your way in with stocks you run a huge economic risk, but with real estate you have a much more secure safety net, and at least one way to generate wealth is to manage debt safely and productively.<br><br>the only problem with real property is that it takes a reasonably large stake to get in. <br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : In the stocks vs real estate returns, stocks have always won, hands down.  For a five year investment, stocks will probably win out too.  I agree, look for a good deal.  Perhaps a fixer-upper, if your handy.  You could get paid for appreciation, equity building and for your labor.  In the short run, if you do it yourself, you just make a profit on labor.  A home that is just updated, doesn't really gain much in value and in fact the investment in the updates are a loss of a few percent.<br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/584055"><b>sholling</b></A> : I'm going to partly agree with Dogma, but only partly. If you're looking for a short-term (less than 5 years) investment then you need to run the numbers see how the possibility of a 5% drop in value (I don't think it will be that bad), plus the 6% it will cost you to sell compares to the straight out loss of a year of a year or two of rent. I doubt they results will be pretty even after you factor in the tax advantage of owning.<br><br>But at the same time you should be looking hard for bargains. Distress sales, panic sales etc, while avoiding any temtation to explore creative financing.<br><SMALL>--<br>"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."<br>--FREDERIC BASTIAT--<br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : If you don't amortize the points over the life of the loan, they are deductible the first year in full.  The interest is deductible, and taxes are deductible.  I couldn't say whether or not you would get a refund.  I never have.  I don't think owning a home is a great deal, tax-wise, there is some subsidy by the government, but it's not as much you most make it out to be.  The benefit is having some control over your life by having some autonomy and by building equity.  It can be either a place of your own, or an investment.<br><SMALL>--<br>Experience is the knowledge that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:51:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/264835"><b>goddfather40</b></A> : I'll just say that I make $50K-$100K a year and I own a condo with a $380,000 loan on it.  My tax refund was about 7K.  I claim '1' on my W-4.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:25:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  nightdesigns <A HREF="/useremail/u/638243"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>We're starting to look at the housing market for our first place...<br> </DIV>All I can say is wait.  Give it 12 Months at least.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:23:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/394638"><b>Jtmo</b></A> : It depends on your tax bracket brackets, where you are.<br>Google 2007 tax table for the IRS tables, CA will be 5-11% depending on income.<br>Part of car registration based on valuation, interest on the house, second home (or RV), all deductions from income, property taxes, which can put you in a lower tax bracket. That's the 'savings' a lower tax rate.<br>Say you were in a 33% bracket (max is 38), and you deduct standard per person deduction, plus all interest/property tax etc= some number, now you might be in a 15% bracket, saving 18% of the money over say $42,900 a year that you make.<br><br>Clear as mud?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:22:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : The deduction is certainly real.  How much it helps depends on your income, other deductions and that most evil of all taxes - the Alternative Minimum Tax.  The more you make, the less your deductions count.  You don't have to earn a lot to trip that bad boy (trust me) and it will offset much of your benefit.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:17:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/638243"><b>nightdesigns</b></A> : We're starting to look at the housing market for our first place and we're now sorting through the finance area.  From what I've been told and can find, thanks to the government we would be entitled to taking a tax deduction on the interest paid and on property taxes.  According to my loan officer it's 90% of monthly mortgage.  <br><br>Now for the real-life.  Since we're all socalians, what is the actual return?  Would I actually see a significant return every year, or is it not something to count on?<br><br>Thanks.<br><SMALL>--<br>[[Your signature here]]</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:04:56 EDT</pubDate>
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